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[Liquid Gold]

If I was fan of another club coming on here for the first time, looking at opinions and read this thread, I would conclude that the biggest threat to the future of Coventry City is the Sky Blue Trust. So much anger and vitriol aimed at a small group of City fans. Far more anger in fact, than is aimed at the main threat to our future which is Sisu. It is funny but the small cartel on here who constantly snipe at the Trust all say, ”Yes, we all hate Sisu, but what about Wasps, CCC and the Trust.” There is a small acknowledgement that, yes, perhaps Fisher and friends haven’t really had the club’s best interests at heart,but never mind them what about everyone else?. The anger and hatred from the small group of 5 or 6 that keep attacking the Trust is in marked contrast to anything that they ever say about Sisu whose contribution to our demise is passed over with the glib comment, “Well yes, we all hate Sisu but what about....”
A lot is hinted about agendas, and why certain people pop up at a particular time to push this agenda or that agenda. I wonder why the Trust are such an agenda for the usual crew. After all, they are not a threat to the club. Sisu, however, who are the root cause of the predicament we are in and whose actions have brought Wasps into this story and forced CCC to act in the way they have, do not produce even a flicker of anger in comparison. ( that, by the way, is not me excusing Wasps, who are a franchise club and who shouldn’t be here, or CCC who seem to have
abandoned CCFC to their fate. Ultimately it is Sisu who have got them involved and made them such a negative influence on our future).
Surely it couldn’t be that our friends on here want to turn attention away from the real culprits of our problem by making the Trust out to be the real villains? Is that perhaps their agenda? Rather than spending so much time pointing out the shortcomings of the Trust, why not actually organise yourselves something that you think will help in this predicament. I don’t mean tell someone else to do it, you organise it, you do it. If you are convinced you have some answers, publicise and I am sure some of us would join in if we felt it would make a difference.
Let’’s be clear, if the Trust folded tomorrow and ceased to exist, (seeing the hatred towards them from a few on here, I wouldn’t blame the board members if they did give up), the very real problems that CCFC face, the threat to the actual existence of our club would still be here. The Trust are trying to do something, it may not be great, it may not affect the outcome, but they are at least trying. If they disappeared would their small group of detractors on here put their own ideas into action? It would be interesting to see. I wouldn’t hold my breath. I now await the usual response when ever they are asked what they are doing.

My agenda is keeping this club alive. I'm not in a position to help with this, the trust are but constantly do things that are counter productive, because of this they get criticised. Would you like me to end the post with 'SISU OUT!!!' to make it easier to understand?

 

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[NortonSkyBlue]

Now that we have finished sucking cock and regurgitating who's to blame it's time to think about what we want, not in terms of Wasps and Sisu fucking off but the future of Coventry City.
i would like to express that whatever the outcome of the next few months will be our club will be damaged and I believe that we should be looking at damage limitation.
I would like to see us playing at the Ricoh on a medium term deal until a new ground is commissioned or a long term deal if one can be reached.
I would want us to work with all parties to ensure we do not have the Phoenix club scenario. All parties that have a stake in the City and the club should be working to make sure the club is viable in the interests of the city of Coventry.
The trust should be back channeling to develop positive relationships with all parties. I don't believe hate is the answer here but diplomacy and arbitration to create goodwill where it is absent with and from the owners.
All of us fans need to look in the mirror here, we have had a years notice from Wasps and the message has been "but they said the same thing last year" well I hope they do this year but I wouldn't hold your breath.
Our attempt at unity are shown up here as futile and whatever the slings and arrows you care to throw it only shows that we are happiest when we have somebody to blame and therefore we should happy as "pigs in shit" should the worst happen.
Rather than looking at the past it is clear to me,with the attitude of our owners as it is, iwe need to emphasize what unites us as a city in this year of city of sport and the upcoming city of culture and if we are to survive it we need to do more than bicker and support efforts to survive and not engage in our favorite sport of finger pointing.

 

[rob9872]

If I was fan of another club coming on here for the first time, looking at opinions and read this thread, I would conclude that the biggest threat to the future of Coventry City is the Sky Blue Trust. So much anger and vitriol aimed at a small group of City fans. Far more anger in fact, than is aimed at the main threat to our future which is Sisu. It is funny but the small cartel on here who constantly snipe at the Trust all say, ”Yes, we all hate Sisu, but what about Wasps, CCC and the Trust.” There is a small acknowledgement that, yes, perhaps Fisher and friends haven’t really had the club’s best interests at heart,but never mind them what about everyone else?. The anger and hatred from the small group of 5 or 6 that keep attacking the Trust is in marked contrast to anything that they ever say about Sisu whose contribution to our demise is passed over with the glib comment, “Well yes, we all hate Sisu but what about....”
A lot is hinted about agendas, and why certain people pop up at a particular time to push this agenda or that agenda. I wonder why the Trust are such an agenda for the usual crew. After all, they are not a threat to the club. Sisu, however, who are the root cause of the predicament we are in and whose actions have brought Wasps into this story and forced CCC to act in the way they have, do not produce even a flicker of anger in comparison. ( that, by the way, is not me excusing Wasps, who are a franchise club and who shouldn’t be here, or CCC who seem to have
abandoned CCFC to their fate. Ultimately it is Sisu who have got them involved and made them such a negative influence on our future).
Surely it couldn’t be that our friends on here want to turn attention away from the real culprits of our problem by making the Trust out to be the real villains? Is that perhaps their agenda? Rather than spending so much time pointing out the shortcomings of the Trust, why not actually organise yourselves something that you think will help in this predicament. I don’t mean tell someone else to do it, you organise it, you do it. If you are convinced you have some answers, publicise and I am sure some of us would join in if we felt it would make a difference.
Let’’s be clear, if the Trust folded tomorrow and ceased to exist, (seeing the hatred towards them from a few on here, I wouldn’t blame the board members if they did give up), the very real problems that CCFC face, the threat to the actual existence of our club would still be here. The Trust are trying to do something, it may not be great, it may not affect the outcome, but they are at least trying. If they disappeared would their small group of detractors on here put their own ideas into action? It would be interesting to see. I wouldn’t hold my breath. I now await the usual response when ever they are asked what they are doing.

I'll be supporting the team. What will you be doing?

 

[Nick]

If I was fan of another club coming on here for the first time, looking at opinions and read this thread, I would conclude that the biggest threat to the future of Coventry City is the Sky Blue Trust. So much anger and vitriol aimed at a small group of City fans. Far more anger in fact, than is aimed at the main threat to our future which is Sisu. It is funny but the small cartel on here who constantly snipe at the Trust all say, ”Yes, we all hate Sisu, but what about Wasps, CCC and the Trust.” There is a small acknowledgement that, yes, perhaps Fisher and friends haven’t really had the club’s best interests at heart,but never mind them what about everyone else?. The anger and hatred from the small group of 5 or 6 that keep attacking the Trust is in marked contrast to anything that they ever say about Sisu whose contribution to our demise is passed over with the glib comment, “Well yes, we all hate Sisu but what about....”
A lot is hinted about agendas, and why certain people pop up at a particular time to push this agenda or that agenda. I wonder why the Trust are such an agenda for the usual crew. After all, they are not a threat to the club. Sisu, however, who are the root cause of the predicament we are in and whose actions have brought Wasps into this story and forced CCC to act in the way they have, do not produce even a flicker of anger in comparison. ( that, by the way, is not me excusing Wasps, who are a franchise club and who shouldn’t be here, or CCC who seem to have
abandoned CCFC to their fate. Ultimately it is Sisu who have got them involved and made them such a negative influence on our future).
Surely it couldn’t be that our friends on here want to turn attention away from the real culprits of our problem by making the Trust out to be the real villains? Is that perhaps their agenda? Rather than spending so much time pointing out the shortcomings of the Trust, why not actually organise yourselves something that you think will help in this predicament. I don’t mean tell someone else to do it, you organise it, you do it. If you are convinced you have some answers, publicise and I am sure some of us would join in if we felt it would make a difference.
Let’’s be clear, if the Trust folded tomorrow and ceased to exist, (seeing the hatred towards them from a few on here, I wouldn’t blame the board members if they did give up), the very real problems that CCFC face, the threat to the actual existence of our club would still be here. The Trust are trying to do something, it may not be great, it may not affect the outcome, but they are at least trying. If they disappeared would their small group of detractors on here put their own ideas into action? It would be interesting to see. I wouldn’t hold my breath. I now await the usual response when ever they are asked what they are doing.

I am not sure how many times we need to go through this as it seems you miss the point every time....

People drone on and on and on about Wasps and the Council on here because people strangely defend them. I haven't seen a single person say "We shouldn't pressure SISU" so when somebody says "Let's pressure SISU" it gets nods of agreement and that's that because everybody knows they should be pressured.

Let's be clear (as you like to say), I have pointed out what happened with the Haskell situation and how did that turn out?

A lot of the feedback and discussion in this thread has been constructive, the issues have then come from people being told "it's taken on board and implemented" when it clearly hasn't been. The annoyance is that people are trying to be constructive and give feedback but frankly there's nobody interested.

My primary aim here is that there is a club for me to watch next season, I know you like to get excited over protests even if it costs the team points but let's face it people aimlessly saying SISU Out has shown it isn't going to do a thing.

I notice your "why don't you make your own" line, I bet it took you a while to think of that cracker? Do you not think people on here have taken the time to give the Trust ideas and are frustrated because they are completely overlooked for more aimless "get our plight coverage" that hasn't changed a single thing in over 10 years? Do you think people mention agendas for a particular reason or just make it up? Your "know you are say you are" argument doesn't really work (unless you want to point a list of reasons with facts to back it up like others have?)

Nobody is trying to turn the attention away from SISU, everybody knows they are wankers and they need pressuring. We do see time and time again though people who want to turn the pressure away from other parties, why's that?

The fact that you really don't get it, don't want to get it and just want to get excited about somebody shouting "SISU Out" just proves a lot of people's points. Have fun with that.

If I was a fan of another team I would absolutely piss myself that our fans group has openly praised Wasps moving here and just resort to the same thing over and over and over and over (plight in the media...).

End of the day, you just want to feel better that you have shouted SISU a few times and that's that.

 

[mark82]

It is relevant presently as we are in a position where we might shortly have no choice but to ask to play outside the city. No doubt at this point there will be condemnation from the Trust as there was when we were in Northampton. They're not going to make a very convincing argument when all Fisher has to say is 'where is you similar condemnation of Wasps permanent move'.

Yes, they should absolutely condemn them for the role they are playing in the current impasse. But that is what we should focus on, not the fact they are here in the first place. As I've said before, I'd start with an open letter pointing out the repercussions if no deal is reached to Wasps and the City in general, and even offer to sit down with all parties. I'm not interested in what has happened in the past and what other protests have or haven't been planned, but this is how I'd approach it.

 

[mark82]

Now that we have finished sucking cock and regurgitating who's to blame it's time to think about what we want, not in terms of Wasps and Sisu fucking off but the future of Coventry City.
i would like to express that whatever the outcome of the next few months will be our club will be damaged and I believe that we should be looking at damage limitation.
I would like to see us playing at the Ricoh on a medium term deal until a new ground is commissioned or a long term deal if one can be reached.
I would want us to work with all parties to ensure we do not have the Phoenix club scenario. All parties that have a stake in the City and the club should be working to make sure the club is viable in the interests of the city of Coventry.
The trust should be back channeling to develop positive relationships with all parties. I don't believe hate is the answer here but diplomacy and arbitration to create goodwill where it is absent with and from the owners.
All of us fans need to look in the mirror here, we have had a years notice from Wasps and the message has been "but they said the same thing last year" well I hope they do this year but I wouldn't hold your breath.
Our attempt at unity are shown up here as futile and whatever the slings and arrows you care to throw it only shows that we are happiest when we have somebody to blame and therefore we should happy as "pigs in shit" should the worst happen.
Rather than looking at the past it is clear to me,with the attitude of our owners as it is, iwe need to emphasize what unites us as a city in this year of city of sport and the upcoming city of culture and if we are to survive it we need to do more than bicker and support efforts to survive and not engage in our favorite sport of finger pointing.

Great post.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

Yes, they should absolutely condemn them for the role they are playing in the current impasse. But that is what we should focus on, not the fact they are here in the first place. As I've said before, I'd start with an open letter pointing out the repercussions if no deal is reached to Wasps and the City in general, and even offer to sit down with all parties. I'm not interested in what has happened in the past and what other protests have or haven't been planned, but this is how I'd approach it.

Were Sisu wrong in moving CCFC to Northampton?

 

[Nick]

Yes, they should absolutely condemn them for the role they are playing in the current impasse. But that is what we should focus on, not the fact they are here in the first place. As I've said before, I'd start with an open letter pointing out the repercussions if no deal is reached to Wasps and the City in general, and even offer to sit down with all parties. I'm not interested in what has happened in the past and what other protests have or haven't been planned, but this is how I'd approach it.

I wish people would stop saying "impasse" it's the same as "highlight our plight". Everybody just latches on because somebody said it!

There won't be any pressure on Wasps or an open letter saying what is going to happen if they don't do a deal. That's why people end up going on about it!

 

[Nick]

Now that we have finished sucking cock and regurgitating who's to blame it's time to think about what we want, not in terms of Wasps and Sisu fucking off but the future of Coventry City.
i would like to express that whatever the outcome of the next few months will be our club will be damaged and I believe that we should be looking at damage limitation.
I would like to see us playing at the Ricoh on a medium term deal until a new ground is commissioned or a long term deal if one can be reached.
I would want us to work with all parties to ensure we do not have the Phoenix club scenario. All parties that have a stake in the City and the club should be working to make sure the club is viable in the interests of the city of Coventry.
The trust should be back channeling to develop positive relationships with all parties. I don't believe hate is the answer here but diplomacy and arbitration to create goodwill where it is absent with and from the owners.
All of us fans need to look in the mirror here, we have had a years notice from Wasps and the message has been "but they said the same thing last year" well I hope they do this year but I wouldn't hold your breath.
Our attempt at unity are shown up here as futile and whatever the slings and arrows you care to throw it only shows that we are happiest when we have somebody to blame and therefore we should happy as "pigs in shit" should the worst happen.
Rather than looking at the past it is clear to me,with the attitude of our owners as it is, iwe need to emphasize what unites us as a city in this year of city of sport and the upcoming city of culture and if we are to survive it we need to do more than bicker and support efforts to survive and not engage in our favorite sport of finger pointing.

So you want to be friendly and try and cuddle up to them and take everything they say at face value without being cynical and analysing it? In fairness, you were having a go at people for pointing out Dale Evans was a con artist and look how that ended up.

Unity won't happen unless either (ideally both):

• Pressure is applied to every side to try and squeeze the outcome we want, I know that the outcome I want is for CCFC to exist next year.
• Everything is made purely about being pro CCFC and supporting the team.

Unfortunately, while people are more interested in focusing solely on the legals being dropped than getting a deal and SISU it won't happen. People get frustrated because they can see the same thing happening over and over, time and time again.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

My agenda is keeping this club alive. I'm not in a position to help with this, the trust are but constantly do things that are counter productive, because of this they get criticised. Would you like me to end the post with 'SISU OUT!!!' to make it easier to understand?

The Trust are made up of ordinary people as far as I can see, jobs, families like most of us but they are pilloried even though they give up their time to try and help the club. As I said, if they fold the problems that our club face still exist. Why would you stating “Sisu Out” help me to understand?

 

[Nick]

The Trust are made up of ordinary people as far as I can see, jobs, families like most of us but they are pilloried even though they give up their time to try and help the club. As I said, if they fold the problems that our club face still exist. Why would you stating “Sisu Out” help me to understand?

I think you need to have a look at the different between pilloried and constructiveness. Then watch that constructiveness get ignored and people jump in saying they are abusing them.

He means people need to step back and think about things.

 

[mark82]

Were Sisu wrong in moving CCFC to Northampton?

Obviously. And I don't like the fact Wasps are here, but going and poking them with that stick (directly) would be counterproductive.

My question to you - would you rather we told them they aren't welcome here at the expense of being able to stay at the Ricoh? Or would you rather tolerate them for the sake of keeping our club alive?

That is not to say you don't make it clear to them the repercussions of their part in CCFC having to move (or worse) could be.

 

[mark82]

The way some people talk it's like they are more interested in having a pop at Wasps than finding a way to help the club survive. I assume the only objective is to let Wasps know we hate them.

 

[Nick]

The way some people talk it's like they are more interested in having a pop at Wasps than finding a way to help the club survive. I assume the only objective is to let Wasps know we hate them.

I assume you haven't read the thread? I assume you miss the bit I say pressure every side?

It's looking to me that your only objective is to push a new club and tell people not to say bad things about wasps?

 

[mark82]

I assume you haven't read the thread? I assume you miss the bit I say pressure every side?

I didn't mean to quote you to be fair.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

The way some people talk it's like they are more interested in having a pop at Wasps than finding a way to help the club survive. I assume the only objective is to let Wasps know we hate them.

Not at all, we want wasps to consider it would be detrimental to kick the club out of a stadium that was built for said club.

 

[mark82]

Not at all, we want wasps to consider it would be detrimental to kick the club out of a stadium that was built for said club.

And that's exactly what I've been saying we should do.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

We protest at MK Dons, have a love in with AFC Wimbledon, derided and vocifirously derided the club in Northampton. But we have to pussy foot around Wasps.

Remember the same shit Northampton fans even the club were given by us when they let us play there? They had the same situation as Wasps, why are wasps given a free ride

 

[Nick]

And that's exactly what I've been saying we should do.

How do you do that while cuddling them and having secret meetings?

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

I'll be supporting the team. What will you be doing?

You have a monopoly on supporting the team? Funny, but for well over fifty years I have supported the team home and away. I will be at Luton and as always I will be shouting for our team to win. That doesn’t mean that if there is something organised by the Trust and I agree with it, I wouldn’t support that too. If I did join in it would be because I would hope it would hope it would help the future of our club. Is that wrong?

 

[Nick]

You have a monopoly on supporting the team? Funny, but for well over fifty years I have supported the team home and away. I will be at Luton and as always I will be shouting for our team to win. That doesn’t mean that if there is something organised by the Trust and I agree with it, I wouldn’t support that too. If I did join in it would be because I would hope it would hope it would help the future of our club. Is that wrong?

Yes, holding that bit of paper up is going to change everything isn't it?

I'll await a bingo reply

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

We protest at MK Dons, have a love in with AFC Wimbledon, derided and vocifirously derided the club in Northampton. But we have to pussy foot around Wasps.

Remember the same shit Northampton fans even the club were given by us when they let us play there? They had the same situation as Wasps, why are wasps given a free ride

I suggested oh here protesting at a Wasps game to show our plight. I would be up for that if you organise it.

 

[Nick]

I suggested oh here protesting at a Wasps game to show our plight. I would be up for that if you organise it.

Double bingo there.

Why wouldn't the trust organise it?:

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Yes, holding that bit of paper up is going to change everything isn't it?

I'll await a bingo reply

But sitting on your arse and sniping at a group who are no harm to the club will change things? I wonder what your agenda is?

 

[Nick]

But sitting on your arse and sniping at a group who are no harm to the club will change things? I wonder what your agenda is?

My agenda is ccfc.

I'd say me going and shouting at a bus will achieve exactly the same thing as you holding up a bit of paper.

Sniping? You just have missed the long posts with lots of constructive ideas in?

No harm to the club? I'd say there are more harmful than I am. Lots less than sisu, less again for wasps.

Still, you will shout sisu a few times and think you have saved the world. This is the problem, people don't give a shit about changing anything they just want to think they have changed things.

 

[usskyblue]

 

[mark82]

We protest at MK Dons, have a love in with AFC Wimbledon, derided and vocifirously derided the club in Northampton. But we have to pussy foot around Wasps.

Remember the same shit Northampton fans even the club were given by us when they let us play there? They had the same situation as Wasps, why are wasps given a free ride

No-one is saying give them a free ride but you don't get results by poking the bear. To remind, this is what I said...

An open letter to Wasps explaining the potential consequences of their stance and the effect it would have on the City they have adopted would be a good starter for ten.

Let's transfer the argument to a different situation, just to make comparison for comparisons sake. You work really hard at your job, add a lot of value to your company, and you want to be rewarded. Which of these is a better way to get what you want.....

1) Boss, I've been here longer than you, I work harder than you and I think you're a bit of a dick. You can't afford to lose me so start paying me more money.

2) Boss, I've been working really hard for some time, and this is what I've achieved... I like being here but feel I'm undervalued so would like to be rewarded for what I do. If I were to find something else you'd likely lose X, Y & Z.....

Now, neither approach may achieve the desired effect, but I know which would be more likely. Appreciate it's a bit simplistic but you are more likely to get results by having an open dialogue. The Trust need to learn from the way they have handled their relationship with Sisu and not make the same mistake again. They also need a more open dialogue with the club/Sisu than they already have.

 

[mark82]

How do you do that while cuddling them and having secret meetings?

I've not said they should. Constructive conversation is different to "cuddling and secret meetings".

 

[SkyBlueZack]

Obviously. And I don't like the fact Wasps are here, but going and poking them with that stick (directly) would be counterproductive.

My question to you - would you rather we told them they aren't welcome here at the expense of being able to stay at the Ricoh? Or would you rather tolerate them for the sake of keeping our club alive?

That is not to say you don't make it clear to them the repercussions of their part in CCFC having to move (or worse) could be.

You don’t word it to say you ain’t welcome. You release a statement saying you don’t agree with clubs moving for financial gain. No mention of wasps or Sisu.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Instead of wasting your time endlessly pointing out how useless the Trust are and how they keep ignoring all of the ideas generated on here, why don’t you for once, stop carping and actually start to organise and do these things yourself. You have a platform here. You have people who listen and agree with you. If others saw the value in what you are doing, they could see it would benefit the club, they would join in. I would myself.
I await the usual “bingo” response.

 

[olderskyblue]

I think you need to have a look at the different between pilloried and constructiveness

WTF Nick. Have you read your on posts on this thread? Do YOU know the difference?

 

[Nick]

I've not said they should. Constructive conversation is different to "cuddling and secret meetings".

Was it constructive conversation with Haskell and ACL?

My point is nobody knows what they are doing to pressure wasps as it's top secret. The fact somebody let slip a new club might be able to play there shows they can't be pressuring too hard

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Double bingo there.

Why wouldn't the trust organise it?:

Why don’t you organise it? You have the platform.

 

[Nick]

Instead of wasting your time endlessly pointing out how useless the Trust are and how they keep ignoring all of the ideas generated on here, why don’t you for once, stop carping and actually start to organise and do these things yourself. You have a platform here. You have people who listen and agree with you. If others saw the value in what you are doing, they could see it would benefit the club, they would join in. I would myself.
I await the usual “bingo” response.

There's another bingo. How about you post something original that's been thought about and it won't keep being said.

Do you think a member of the trust who gives a lot of constructive feedback, told it will be taken on board then completely ignored has a right to be annoyed?

Do you not think the trust should find it strange that members can predict the outcome exactly from meetings and what will be taken from it?

Do you not think the group claiming to represent fans should listen to people who think slightly different about things to people inside their bubble but still want the same things?

I can understand if people just straight up abuse it will get ignored, im talking about the decent suggestions made both on here and directly.

 

[Nick]

Why don’t you organise it? You have the platform.

Because I'm not the fans group claiming to represent fans with links to journalists am I? I can't get media coverage, I've tried before when i was pushing the tifosy thing

You know when the "why don't you do it" line comes out you have nothing else. The same as "what are you doing".

Why is it unrealistic to think a fans group would listen and maybe do something?

Read liquid gold s explanation of why he is frustrated by it.