Groundshare back on (7 Viewers)

[Nick]

It'd haemorrage money at the level we'd start again at.

If we actually wanted to grow organically we'd be mental to start out again at the Ricoh.

Yeah but if somebody was pushing a new club they could be part of running they aren't going to say the new club would play at Sphinx's ground for a bit are they?

 

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[Ashdown]

What a piece of scum Fisher really is. If he had any morals at all he would resign. Groundshare my arse, it's either drop the legals and stay in Cov or that's it I'm done now, there really is no other viable option for me. I didn't go to Northampton and I won't go anywhere else

 

[Nick]

What a piece of scum Fisher really is. If he had any morals at all he would resign. Groundshare my arse, it's either drop the legals and stay in Cov or that's it I'm done now, there really is no other viable option for me. I didn't go to Northampton and I won't go anywhere else

I thought you were done anyway? I do like people who don't really bother anyway kicking off saying they won't go.

It's like me kicking off saying I won't go in Pret a Manger if they move, I don't go anyway.

 

[duffer]

I doubt the EFL will be keen to see us go. A founding Premier League club, an FA Cup winner, a high profile team in the lower leagues, and owners that have no qualms with court action. They open themselves up to years of expensive litigation if they make any slight mistakes in the process. As, I suspect (I could be wrong, it's not unusual for me) do other teams that may vote us out. The ground problem needs a solution obviously, but I doubt there is much appetite to expel us.

Exactly this. The EFL showed themselves for the kind of serial bottlers that they are with the farce around the Golden Share. There is no way they'll chuck us out, imho, they wouldn't have the guts to face SISU down. Anyone relying on the EFL to take any kind of stand on this is kidding themselves, imho.

If Wasps wanted to avoid getting caught in the hideous world of SISU v Council then they probably shouldn't have bought the Ricoh in a secret deal. The ongoing court action wasn't exactly a secret at that time. Why people would take their side against the club is a mystery to me, but then beating SISU is all that matters to some... their attitude is akin to 'we've cured the disease but killed the patient'...

 

[Ashdown]

I thought you were done anyway? I do like people who don't really bother anyway kicking off saying they won't go.

It's like me kicking off saying I won't go in Pret a Manger if they move, I don't go anyway.

We've spent about £300 this season you daft twat. Not as much as others of course but not nothing. Carry on with your apologist agenda, you're doing a fine job for Joy !

 

[Nick]

We've spent about £300 this season you daft twat. Not as much as others of course but not nothing. Carry on with your apologist agenda, you're doing a fine job for Joy !

Who is apologising and where? As I keep saying, link to it....

 

[ceetee]

I said it on another thread but I'll say it again

So what if we are voted out and SISU retain ownership of the club in a lower league. They are still the real CCFC and any other start up would be a protest club, like AFC MU, not a phoenix club like Hereford

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

What a piece of scum Fisher really is. If he had any morals at all he would resign. Groundshare my arse, it's either drop the legals and stay in Cov or that's it I'm done now, there really is no other viable option for me. I didn't go to Northampton and I won't go anywhere else

What happens if Wasps turn round and say “it’s a million pound a year?”

At the Ricoh they literally have our pants down regardless of owners. Ideally we need a new ground. But it’s time we stopped filling Wasps coffers

 

[fernandopartridge]

If Wasps wanted to avoid getting caught in the hideous world of SISU v Council then they probably shouldn't have bought the Ricoh in a secret deal. The ongoing court action wasn't exactly a secret at that time. Why people would take their side against the club is a mystery to me, but then beating SISU is all that matters to some... their attitude is akin to 'we've cured the disease but killed the patient'...

Exactly, I said similar the other day on here. Wasps' beef should be with the council and they should have sought indemnity from the council as part of the deal.

 

[The Philosopher]

Having nerdily re-read the EFL ground criteria, I think CCFC have to have a ground with 2000 seats & a 5000 overall capacity.

This rules out Nuneaton & Hinckley. Rugby is possible with a bit of adjustment, the Butts. With a temporary stand.

 

[chiefdave]

I said it on another thread but I'll say it again

So what if we are voted out and SISU retain ownership of the club in a lower league. They are still the real CCFC and any other start up would be a protest club, like AFC MU, not a phoenix club like Hereford

That's absolutely correct. There is an assumption that losing our place in the league would mean SISU throw in the towel. Just as much chance we end up in the national league groundsharing in Nuneaton with Fisher still here.

 

[chiefdave]

It'd haemorrage money at the level we'd start again at.

If we actually wanted to grow organically we'd be mental to start out again at the Ricoh.

Depends who the owners are. What if it was a consortium of local businessmen and someone who just happened to own a ground.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Having nerdily re-read the EFL ground criteria, I think CCFC have to have a ground with 2000 seats & a 5000 overall capacity.

This rules out Nuneaton & Hinckley. Rugby is possible with a bit of adjustment, the Butts. With a temporary stand.

The Butts is possible in August isn't it? The way I've read that is the club has virtually the whole season in which to meet the qualifying criteria.

Having nerdily re-read the EFL ground criteria, I think CCFC have to have a ground with 2000 seats & a 5000 overall capacity.

This rules out Nuneaton & Hinckley. Rugby is possible with a bit of adjustment, the Butts. With a temporary stand.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

This situation seems to have no end - better to start all over again from the bottom- I think if they start ground sharing it won't be long before we find ourselves in non -legaue as fans will drift away -so we bite as well bite the bullet now

Walsall, Birmingham, or wherever. Even Nuneaton. It'll be another attendance disaster, worse than Northampton and understandably so. It'll be the end of Ccfc.

 

[The Philosopher]

The Butts is possible in August isn't it? The way I've read that is the club has virtually the whole season in which to meet the qualifying criteria.

I’ve read that as being the criteria for new members, which we are not. We as a long-standing member need to be at 5k/2k at the start of the season.

To be fair, the wording isn’t 100% clear.

 

[Nick]

Depends who the owners are. What if it was a consortium of local businessmen and someone who just happened to own a ground.

Let's hope they have decent ndas for their meetings so sisu don't get hold of the information.

 

[mark82]

Both hedge funds are playing chicken with CCFC.

Only one is the owner and therefore directly responsible for them however.

I’ll take anywhere while the legals are resolved. I’d much rather this whole charade was behind us and we got on with building a ground though. What is it? 5 years now without so much as a location?

Yep, pretty much my stance really.

 

[chiefdave]

Having nerdily re-read the EFL ground criteria, I think CCFC have to have a ground with 2000 seats & a 5000 overall capacity.

This rules out Nuneaton & Hinckley. Rugby is possible with a bit of adjustment, the Butts. With a temporary stand.

Capacity isn't really an issue as long as there's room for temporary stands. You can build pretty much an entire temporary stadium if you've got the room.

AMI Stadium in New Zealand is 100% temporary and was built from nothing in 80 days. Holds 18K upgradable to 26K for bigger games.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

I didn’t go to Northampton but would follow the team to most of the grounds named as this time I feel we are being pushed out and if it helped rid the city of the yellow and black filth I would be delighted.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

I’ve read that as being the criteria for new members, which we are not. We as a long-standing member need to be at 5k/2k at the start of the season.

To be fair, the wording isn’t 100% clear.

If we at outside of Coventry we won't need more than a 2000 capacity.

 

[Chipfat]

The EFL want to know under no uncertain terms how we plan to for-fill Fixtures in 2019/20 and after, they will not be interested anymore with who is to blame, who is involved or who are the other players within this mess. They met club multiple years ago and heard all the promises of alternative grounds, land purchases and state of the training facilities before and will find it hard to stomach again. I doubt very much they will be over the moon to hear TF with his begging bowl out signing the same tune, this time his ship may have sailed..

The EFL have a duty to all other clubs and will act within the rules they have, if you think they have placed restrictions in verbal comments and deadlines on the club to create pressure and any other party than our owners, then i think its a very short sighted view. They seemed have been very clear, tell us where you are playing or we will move within the rules and guidelines to put an end to this situation. More noise than normal has come out and for that alone i think they are taking a different view then they previously did.

Lastly if they do not act and allow another move they may look at what message it gives to other owners who are not happy with location, rent deals etc... You can piss off breaking agreements when you want, all you have to do is just come crying to us with a promise of a resolution in time of a potential return while holding a picture of a new ground under your arm!!!!!!.. I don't buy it, for me its now or never, its resolution or they move on and take the club out of the league. Time has been given and time has now gone without anything resolved or moved on form what TF said in the first place. Sadly, what we want does not enter into it as far as the FL are concerned, others will love to step into the league and will have the ability to do so without problem

 

[davebart]

Some people are just so horrible to deal with you end up thinking I'm not going to give an inch. It is clear the council felt like that with SISU but they haven't covered themselves with glory by selling to another hedge fund who will ultimately behave in exactly the same way. Hence the impasse now.
But from a CCFC perspective you have to say that all the club had to do was buy a ground that was built specifically for them. Can't really blame anyone else for that not happening.
And because that didn't happen we are effectively homeless. Forget the politics and recriminations what needs to happen now is that the club agrees to drop litigation in return for a long lease at a reasonable rent. And if they aren't doing that then there is no hope.
I don't believe Wasps won't talk. That is absolute nonsense.

 

[Limey]

I don't believe Wasps won't talk. That is absolute nonsense.

They've said it themselves, a number of times.

 

[Elvis Pressley]

Can't we go to Northampton again?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

People do realise that the club has no ability to stop SISU’s legals right? Wasps know it as well and think this is a way to get rid of the club with minimal PR damage.

 

[Chipfat]

Tim was gambling again expecting others to come to him, this time its not the same he doesn't have the same backing within the FL to do hold the hand he has and bluff. It also doesn't matter what people know or don't, nobody that makes a difference is looking at anyone else other than the owners to sort this out. What we think,, what the EFL think personally of this matter it counts for nothing, they have said they are now working within the laws and need it fixed. The light is very much only on SISU no more smoke and mirrors, its put up or face the consequences of actions and decision that have been taken with the club as its cover.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Capacity isn't really an issue as long as there's room for temporary stands. You can build pretty much an entire temporary stadium if you've got the room.

AMI Stadium in New Zealand is 100% temporary and was built from nothing in 80 days. Holds 18K upgradable to 26K for bigger games.

I think that ones a bit too far away mate tbf, even the EFL might not let that one go

 

[Ccfcsj]

I think that ones a bit too far away mate tbf, even the EFL might not let that one go

I don't know - if the club provided free travel I'm sure we would get a few there

 

[higgs]

What about playing our home games in Wembley. We have a good record there?

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[fernandopartridge]

Some people are just so horrible to deal with you end up thinking I'm not going to give an inch. It is clear the council felt like that with SISU but they haven't covered themselves with glory by selling to another hedge fund who will ultimately behave in exactly the same way. Hence the impasse now.
But from a CCFC perspective you have to say that all the club had to do was buy a ground that was built specifically for them. Can't really blame anyone else for that not happening.
And because that didn't happen we are effectively homeless. Forget the politics and recriminations what needs to happen now is that the club agrees to drop litigation in return for a long lease at a reasonable rent. And if they aren't doing that then there is no hope.
I don't believe Wasps won't talk. That is absolute nonsense.

The ground was never for sale, the only thing ever available was 50% of ACL on its 50 year lease. The Council wouldn't even countenance the thought of selling their half, they didn't even extend ACL's lease at the point of lending them the £14.4m, for some strange reason they performed a volte face in a couple of years.
You wonder why they didn't extend the lease and value of ACL? It's almost as if they were trying to suppress the value for something?

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

I'm waiting for Tim to bleed from his eyes, as he promised, to get things done.

 

[SkyBlueSid]

There's always 2 sides to the story. I don't agree with the constant legals but I also don't agree with Wasps playing chicken with our club. All I care about is existing next year. I'd prefer Sisu weren't constantly litigating and I'd prefer we were at the Ricoh but if it doesn't happen I'll still support the club. What Wasps are doing isn't far from blackmail.

The problem for SISU is that, whether we like it or not, Wasps hold all the cards. It is their ground now. We may not like that either, but SISU had their chance to buy it and chose not to. I have always thought that, ever since, they have been repenting at leisure.

I am no love of Wasps, or even rugby, but I don't agree they are blackmailing SISU. Why don't they just drop the legal action and we can all get on with it? Wasps, like everyone else, are probably sick to the back teeth of Seppala and her cronies playing sillybuggers with the football club. Why can't SISU - just for once - do something to help the club?

Something else occurs to me as well. Suppose Wasps did back down and sign a contract. Suppose then, that however unlikely, SISU won their case. I suspect Wasps would kick them out anyway, just for the hell of it.

 

[shmmeee]

That isn't true, go on social media and there are plenty of people advocating the club being kicked out of the league/liquidated in order to get rid of sisu.

Receipts please.

 

[thekidfromstrettoncamp]

Wasps will talk as they have said it many times if we drop the legals.Sisu and Fisher felt sure they would cave in again this time.The thing is this time Wasps have decided they have had enough.What gets me is not once have our owners come out and said anything till the last minute. We are customers and have been treated appallingly since they came here.As for going anywhere to watch them other than the Ricoh no not even Nuneaton(i live in Bedworth).I have been a supporter for more than 6o years and for me this will probably be the last straw.I've had enough of our owners

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

The problem for SISU is that, whether we like it or not, Wasps hold all the cards. It is their ground now. We may not like that either, but SISU had their chance to buy it and chose not to. I have always thought that, ever since, they have been repenting at leisure.

I am no love of Wasps, or even rugby, but I don't agree they are blackmailing SISU. Why don't they just drop the legal action and we can all get on with it? Wasps, like everyone else, are probably sick to the back teeth of Seppala and her cronies playing sillybuggers with the football club. Why can't SISU - just for once - do something to help the club?

Something else occurs to me as well. Suppose Wasps did back down and sign a contract. Suppose then, that however unlikely, SISU won their case. I suspect Wasps would kick them out anyway, just for the hell of it.

The problem is that SISU have dismembered the club but want their money back. It's as logical as me setting fire to my house, selling to a local builder for 50,000 pounds, he then does it up and sells it for 300,000 and I demand the difference. They are totally mad.