The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (70 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

They campaigned for leave. Yes. As I stated. Yes.

As I also said look past the headlines. They want leave with a deal.

So let's see if you know what you are talking about.

What is the so called May deal all about?

They want to agree to the May deal. But they don't want a hard border. They want to keep things as they are. This includes being tied to the EU with a deal. This isn't the Brexit they voted for.

Or is it too much for you to comprehend or is it you would love to prove me wrong for once?

You said they were remainers. They aren’t. I don’t know why you keep waffling.

 

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[Astute]

Few are full Brexit like they think they voted before. Few wanted the terms that are currently on offer but that's all that is on offer.
This common thread amongst all proposing any leave deal (bar a Hard Brexit) is belief that they can still cherry pick whilst EU have mde it abundantly clear they can't.
Not just about hard borders they just don't like the possibility of a back stop that could leave them tied to EU more than the rest of UK. They do not like anything that makes them seem different to rest of UK due to their hardline Unionist position.They would take a hard border over anything that represents a barrier between them and rest of UK.

I agree with everything but the hard border. They have it on record that the only thing that would come after a hard border is Corbyn as PM because of his links to the IRA.

 

[Astute]

I have never said that it is just the DUP holding everything back. Two others have explained the DUP position to you already, so I won’t bother.

You won't because you know I am right.

It is supposed to be brexiteers and the DUP only that is stopping the May deal. Would you like me to bring the posts back up?

They say 80% of MP's want remain. The DUP wants a deal with the EU. So how come it is the DUP and Brexiteers that have stopped the May deal going through?

 

[Astute]

You said they were remainers. They aren’t. I don’t know why you keep waffling.

What do you count as a remainer?

What do you count as a Brexiteer?

To me a remainer is someone who wants to remain in the EU or be tied to the EU.

A Brexiteer is someone who wants to be out of the EU and not tied to their laws, rules and regulations.

What is your take on the matter?

 

[Astute]

And in the latest news May has said she wants the postponement of Brexit to be no later than the end of June.

Interesting?

Another GE?
No deal if they can't come to an agreement?
Call the whole thing off?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

And in the latest news May has said she wants the postponement of Brexit to be no later than the end of June.

Interesting?

Another GE?
No deal if they can't come to an agreement?
Call the whole thing off?

It will be no deal, can't see all countries agreeing to an extension

 

[skybluetony176]

What do you count as a remainer?

What do you count as a Brexiteer?

To me a remainer is someone who wants to remain in the EU or be tied to the EU.

A Brexiteer is someone who wants to be out of the EU and not tied to their laws, rules and regulations.

What is your take on the matter?

A remainer is someone who campaigned and/or voted in. A leaver is someone who campaigned and/or voted out. That was the basis of the referendum. Wouldn’t it just be easier to admit you got it wrong and contrary to what you claimed the DUP are a leave party? It would certainly be easier than trying to embarrassingly redefine what leavers and brexiteers are rather than admit you got it wrong.

 

[Ashdown]

I'm utterly bored with it all now, sick to death of UK politics and politicians.
1, Corbyn is a traitorous empire builder.
2, May Is just an embarrassment and I agree with Mark Rutte, when he compared her to the Monty Python Knight who lost both arms in a fight and still maintained it was a draw.
3, The other champagne socialists can crawl back in their holes too.
Brexit will be dispensed with, it didn't suit the establishment anyway..........for me we either walk away now and say stuff your deal, we didn't vote for a deal, we voted to leave or Remain but with adjustments to Free movement { as in a firm cap on numbers }.

 

[martcov]

You won't because you know I am right.

It is supposed to be brexiteers and the DUP only that is stopping the May deal. Would you like me to bring the posts back up?

They say 80% of MP's want remain. The DUP wants a deal with the EU. So how come it is the DUP and Brexiteers that have stopped the May deal going through?

Because of the backstop. They don’t want the backstop in it as it holds NI in the EU until a solution to the border is found.. They don’t want NI to remain in the EU whilst the rest are out. Exactly the opposite to your claims they want to remain in the EU.

 

[tisza]

People talking about a General election. Don't see that as appealling to EU as regards extensions or altered deals.
No absolute guarantees about who would win or decisive majorities.
Every chance of a greater number of hardliners being selected and returned.

 

[martcov]

I'm utterly bored with it all now, sick to death of UK politics and politicians.
1, Corbyn is a traitorous empire builder.
2, May Is just an embarrassment and I agree with Mark Rutte, when he compared her to the Monty Python Knight who lost both arms in a fight and still maintained it was a draw.
3, The other champagne socialists can crawl back in their holes too.
Brexit will be dispensed with, it didn't suit the establishment anyway..........for me we either walk away now and say stuff your deal, we didn't vote for a deal, we voted to leave or Remain but with adjustments to Free movement { as in a firm cap on numbers }.

You may have voted for that, but there is no way of knowing how many thought like you.

 

[tisza]

See even small extension getting messy.
Many EU (Brussels ) leaders don't want an extension past May 23 because of elections.
Also apparently pushing to have included an acceptance that Withdrawal agreement cannot be renegotiated.
Have to wait for EU leaders to have their say.

 

[clint van damme]

See even small extension getting messy.
Many EU (Brussels ) leaders don't want an extension past May 23 because of elections.
Also apparently pushing to have included an acceptance that Withdrawal agreement cannot be renegotiated.
Have to wait for EU leaders to have their say.

getting messy?! The whole thing is a huge mess as it is!

 

[tisza]

.for me we either walk away now and say stuff your deal, we didn't vote for a deal, we voted to leave or Remain but with adjustments to Free movement { as in a firm cap on numbers }.

No possibilty of anything that restricts free movement if we remain. Commission already prosecuting Visegrad group (4 countries) for refusing to take quotas of legal immigrants.

 

[Astute]

A remainer is someone who campaigned and/or voted in. A leaver is someone who campaigned and/or voted out. That was the basis of the referendum. Wouldn’t it just be easier to admit you got it wrong and contrary to what you claimed the DUP are a leave party? It would certainly be easier than trying to embarrassingly redefine what leavers and brexiteers are rather than admit you got it wrong.

So what you are saying is that someone who voted leave but has changed their mind is still a brexiteer?

Yes you are right. It is very embarrassing to only have one view against people who voted leave.

I admit that I was wrong if you are not allowed to change your mind.

So there we have it. Those who want to remain in the EU are in the minority for sure as nobody is allowed to change their minds.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

There rejecting her letter for an extension till June then!

No deal getting more likely!

 

[Astute]

Because of the backstop. They don’t want the backstop in it as it holds NI in the EU until a solution to the border is found.. They don’t want NI to remain in the EU whilst the rest are out. Exactly the opposite to your claims they want to remain in the EU.

So you totally ignored the link I put up for your benefit as usual then.

 

[Astute]

There rejecting her letter for an extension till June then!

No deal getting more likely!

Remaining getting more likely. Looks like the plan is coming together.

No deal off the table.
No deal not allowed this month.
No extension until June.
No long term extension.

And what do you think the EU will say?

Leave without a deal or remain.

They can now as no deal this month is off the table.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Remaining getting more likely. Looks like the plan is coming together.

No deal off the table.
No deal not allowed this month.
No extension until June.
No long term extension.

And what do you think the EU will say?

Leave without a deal or remain.

They can now as no deal this month is off the table.

Remain?!?!?!? 2nd Ref was voted down last week

We're leaving the EU with or without a deal

 

[skybluetony176]

So what you are saying is that someone who voted leave but has changed their mind is still a brexiteer?

Yes you are right. It is very embarrassing to only have one view against people who voted leave.

I admit that I was wrong if you are not allowed to change your mind.

So there we have it. Those who want to remain in the EU are in the minority for sure as nobody is allowed to change their minds.

When have the DUP changed their policy on brexit then?

 

[tisza]

now being reported in France that France will veto an extension unless it is to allow a passed May deal to enact necessary legislation otherwise Hard Brexit.
Noose tightening.

 

[Astute]

When have the DUP changed their policy on brexit then?

So you didn't read the link either.

 

[Astute]

Remain?!?!?!? 2nd Ref was voted down last week

We're leaving the EU with or without a deal

Nobody knows what will happen next.

Tell me what is left.

No leaving without a deal.
Mays deal not allowed to be voted on because of Bercow.
EU not allowing an extension.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Nobody knows what will happen next.

Tell me what is left.

No leaving without a deal.
Mays deal not allowed to be voted on because of Bercow.
EU not allowing an extension.

Leaving without a deal is still and always will be on the table

 

[tisza]

Nobody knows what will happen next.

Tell me what is left.

No leaving without a deal.
Mays deal not allowed to be voted on because of Bercow.
EU not allowing an extension.

No deal vote was not binding. do they/ can they make it binding?
Have to argue now there is a difference to May deal - not in substance but in circumstance.
EU sticking to their guns on no changes to withdrawal deal.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

No deal vote was not binding. do they/ can they make it binding?
Have to argue now there is a difference to May deal - not in substance but in circumstance.
EU sticking to their guns on no changes to withdrawal deal.

Support May's deal in return for a referendum on it, could be the way to get it through.

But yeah, many options...

(btw, Tusk has said EU are open to a delay, if May's deal is voted through)

 

[Astute]

No deal vote was not binding. do they/ can they make it binding?
Have to argue now there is a difference to May deal - not in substance but in circumstance.
EU sticking to their guns on no changes to withdrawal deal.

The first referendum wasn't legally binding. But it would have been hard to ignore. What Bercow said wasn't legally binding but it would be hard to ignore.

 

[Captain Dart]

Bercow is an unelected preening self publicist

He has been elected for his 4th term as an MP and wiki says..


But he is still a twonk.

 

[tisza]

Support May's deal in return for a referendum on it, could be the way to get it through.

But yeah, many options...

(btw, Tusk has said EU are open to a delay, if May's deal is voted through)

but can't have it both ways. No way UK can have a legal referendum on May's deal before a new EU Parliament sits

 

[skybluetony176]

So you didn't read the link either.

They haven’t then. Thanks for the confirmation.

 

[Grendel]

He has been elected for his 4th term as an MP and wiki says..
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But he is still a twonk.

He’s a speaker so now is elected with no main party opposing him

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Mays Deal Or No Deal
Only 2 possible outcomes now
What's everyone's money on?

 

[Astute]

Leaving without a deal is still and always will be on the table

That doesn't mean that it will happen.

There is as much chance of Brexit being cancelled as us leaving without a deal.

 

[Astute]

Mays Deal Or No Deal
Only 2 possible outcomes now
What's everyone's money on?

Neither.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

That doesn't mean that it will happen.

There is as much chance of Brexit being cancelled as us leaving without a deal.

0% chance of us not leaving, next week is massive