Cllr GGeorge Duggins (2 Viewers)

[CCFC54321]

is he the major problem here? Is he the puppet that is also directing Wasps in all this along with the councils approach is slowing anything down regarding CCFC?

I despise SISU don’t get me wrong but if SISU did put a four page pile of shite application in (whatever) to the council, why don’t the council work with them to help them do this correctly? It’s pathetic and I’m more convinced now it’s George Duggins behind all of this.

I wouldn’t SISU to own CCFCs stadium but I certainly don’t like the councils behaviour in all this.

 

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[sw88]

Certainly needs to lose his seat come May elections

 

[Magwitch]

But is George Duggins just a name that has replaced Anne Lucas who replaced John Mutton and let’s not forget the present Lord Mayor John Blundell once leader of the Tory group and present leader of the Conservatives Gary Ridley from a council point of view this issue has consistently been cross party and just as importantly a name that’s been around since 2011 Tim Fisher.

 

[CCFC72]

It’s a shame that any one individual or group can influence the outcome of such a situation. It should all be transparent and for the benefit of the city and the football clubs supporters. We will never know the full details and reasons why we are at this point, but greed and self interest has been a major driver. Let’s hope we eventually get what the club need to have generations of happy fans going forward, instead of temporary fixes year after year. All to blame, no one to be accountable!

 

[Captain Dart]

Certainly needs to lose his seat come May elections

I can assure you this won't happen.


Because he is not up for election in May.
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[CCFC54321]

Certainly needs to lose his seat come May elections

CCFC go then Duggins has to go!

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

The trouble is that (like a cross section of our populace) some of the key players will be West Ham supporters, fans of Scottish clubs, Manchester United etc. Their handling of these matters will not be influenced by any great love of our football team, nor any desire to do anything possible to achieve a positive outcome. The politicians are guided by the 'experts' behind the scenes at the council (e.g. planning, finance) ; however, if the politician applies little pressure to the 'expert' to find a way to make it happen, it will go nowhere. So, for me, it is the politicians that could make it happen, but are not doing so.

From a previous life, I know that some of the 'experts' are not CCFC fans (see first sentence) but cannot speak for the politicians (although they are certainly not acting like it)

 

[Magwitch]

You are correct Harry. It’s those “experts” behind the scenes and names we will probably never know who influence things. But the very least that should happen is where is there a suitable piece of land to build a stadium. If it isn’t the Woodlands site is there another. I would think that’s all sisu want to know surely. Sepalla has said find us suitable land to build on and we drop the legals.

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

You are correct Harry. It’s those “experts” behind the scenes and names we will probably never know who influence things. But the very least that should happen is where is there a suitable piece of land to build a stadium. If it isn’t the Woodlands site is there another. I would think that’s all sisu want to know surely. Sepalla has said find us suitable land to build on and we drop the legals.

I'd like to think it was as simple as that - I suspect that there would be a lot of other 'support' that SISU would ;request' (find us a hotel chain, mega store etc to help fund it - build us some access roads etc (who pays?) which takes time, money, resources (City Council's))

 

[skybluesam66]

Just like the Ricoh. Football club initiative which transformed that part of cv6

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

To be fair to Cllr Duggins, the application for Woodlands (has a kind of a ring about it, don't you think?) or anywhere else, and pre-application advice would all have been handled by the planning officers. The councillors only get to see it when it goes to Planning Committee, and then for ratification (of an application of this size) to the full council. The exception will be the ward councillors (including Gary Ridley for Woodlands) who are included in the statutory consultation process.
That is not to say that senior councillors are not able to exert influence over the appointed officers ...

 

[MalcSB]

I think it is more accurate to say that appointed officers are always influenced by senior councillors.

 

[christonabike]

If he is a Labour man I just hope every city fan does not vote labour come May. These fuckers need to feel the pain like we do.

I can assure you this won't happen.


Because he is not up for election in May.
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[Sky Blue Harry H]

If the current ruling party got trounced as a result of CCFC fans influence, it would make all councillors nervous about taking any anti-CCFC stance in the future.

 

[Mcbean]

The question is how Harry and i don't think its a march !

 

[Deleted member 4439]

To be fair to Cllr Duggins, the application for Woodlands (has a kind of a ring about it, don't you think?) or anywhere else, and pre-application advice would all have been handled by the planning officers. The councillors only get to see it when it goes to Planning Committee, and then for ratification (of an application of this size) to the full council. The exception will be the ward councillors (including Gary Ridley for Woodlands) who are included in the statutory consultation process.
That is not to say that senior councillors are not able to exert influence over the appointed officers ...

Like civil servants, those that 'do' are never independent and impartial, but rather are very much in the sway of, indeed controlled by, those that 'say'. Behaviours, facts and figures are always designed to reflect the desired outcome and approach of those at the top. Well, that's my experience of being a civil servant.

 

[Ashdown]

If the people of Coventry stopped voting like their fucking Grandfather's .... automatically for Labour the likes of Lucas, Duggins and Geoffrey Robinson wouldn't have been able to piss in their chips.

 

[Wyken Sky Blue]

I can assure you this won't happen.


Because he is not up for election in May.
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Get Labour out of Coventry then.

They have bee. Here how long? And what have they done to show for it?

Tories in.

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[Deleted member 5849]

If the people of Coventry stopped voting like their fucking Grandfather's .... automatically for Labour the likes of Lucas, Duggins and Geoffrey Robinson wouldn't have been able to piss in their chips.

As the Conservatives are supporting Labour actions on Ricoh, Wasps etc. you'll need a third way if that's your beef - Lib Dem or Green, with the occasional communist or racist in some seats.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

As the Conservatives are supporting Labour actions on Ricoh, Wasps etc. you'll need a third way if that's your beef - Lib Dem or Green, with the occasional communist or racist in some seats.

I said in another thread, it wouldn’t surprise me if the full facts weren’t known or undue pressures were put on people to get a unanimous vote. Surely at least a few would have voted against it if the full picture was available.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I said in another thread, it wouldn’t surprise me if the full facts weren’t known or undue pressures were put on people to get a unanimous vote. Surely at least a few would have voted against it if the full picture was available.

It can also work the other way. What threat had SISU made that pushed the entire council to vote for said deal, without any rebellion? What was so insidious about SISU's dealings nobody wanted to stand apart?

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

It can also work the other way. What threat had SISU made that pushed the entire council to vote for said deal, without any rebellion? What was so insidious about SISU's dealings nobody wanted to stand apart?

They’re not sheep who blindly follow though. Surely some would have looked into it a bit before following suit.

 

[Lord_Nampil]

The council elections was tryed back in 2014 against Ann Lucas, it’s a shame it isn’t been tryed again! If anything to get a voice in the council chamber!

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

The council elections was tryed back in 2014 against Ann Lucas, it’s a shame it isn’t been tryed again! If anything to get a voice in the council chamber!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

They’re not sheep who blindly follow though. Surely some would have looked into it a bit before following suit.

Which proves my hypothesis as much, if not more, than yours. What was so traumatic about the situation as was, that persuaded everybody (everybody!) to fall into line?

 

[CCFC54321]

If this club moves out of the city I want Duggins OUT.

Wasps are doing a fine job of finishing them self’s off we just need to eccelarate there demise sooner.

 

[skyblue025]

The council are/have been playing twats without a doubt but SISU have put in a couple of pages about a stadium build to the council which has been treated the contempt it deserves. I had an extension on my house and paperwork handed into the local council had to be 1\2 an inch thick before they considered it.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

Which proves my hypothesis as much, if not more, than yours. What was so traumatic about the situation as was, that persuaded everybody (everybody!) to fall into line?

Blair tactics. WMD. Feed people just enough information (true or not) to make a decision but not enough to make the correct one.

 

[Ricketts]

If anyone wants to stand in an election as a CCFC candidate I dont mind chipping in with some of the costs. I cannot stand as I live outside the boundary.

A good showing wouldnt get them out this year, but they would be changing their chance pretty quick if they thought they would lose their seat next time around.

Power is all they want. Probably bullied at school.

 

[Magwitch]

If this club moves out of the city I want Duggins OUT.

Wasps are doing a fine job of finishing them self’s off we just need to eccelarate there demise sooner.

And what difference would that make ? He’s not even up for re-election this time.
This scenerio has been brewing for more than a year and imo we have all been complacent towards it.
We the ever suffering fans can now only sit back and wait with fingers crossed that something will prevail, I still think it will but perhaps not until this appeal happens which can’t come soon enough.

 

[win9nut]

The council are/have been playing twats without a doubt but SISU have put in a couple of pages about a stadium build to the council which has been treated the contempt it deserves. I had an extension on my house and paperwork handed into the local council had to be 1\2 an inch thick before they considered it.

Are you being a numpty on purpose?
SISU won't be submitting plans until they have an agreement to buy the proposed site.
Else they would waste hundreds of thousands of pounds planning the build, then be beholding to the council not just for the planning permission, but to agree the land sale / long lease as well.
Get the sale price agreed now, then look for planning permission.

 

[Paul Anthony]

Get Labour out of Coventry then.

They have bee. Here how long? And what have they done to show for it?

Tories in.

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The big issue with that is there is cross party unity on this subject, as I understand it anyway. And if that's the case, I doubt it would make much of a difference.

As for Duggins, well frankly I wouldn't trust him to run a tap, let alone a council. He's pure car crash material.

 

[mark82]

Get Labour out of Coventry then.

They have bee. Here how long? And what have they done to show for it?

Tories in.

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The Tories. Sure those pricks will be sympathetic, bearing in mind they've been complicit in the whole thing.

If we wanted change we should have put up candidates. If only we had a fans group to represent us.

 

[skyblue025]

Are you being a numpty on purpose?
SISU won't be submitting plans until they have an agreement to buy the proposed site.
Else they would waste hundreds of thousands of pounds planning the build, then be beholding to the council not just for the planning permission, but to agree the land sale / long lease as well.
Get the sale price agreed now, then look for planning permission.

Do you think the council will sell this prime site without seeing detailed plans? I never once mentioned planning permission! Numpty? Pot and kettle fella.

 

[Speedies_Chips]

As the old saying goes in Coventry. if a chimp turned up with a red scarf round its neck, it would get voted in.