John Cleese (12 Viewers)

[Liquid Gold]

Pretty solid summary of it all really.

Again, a lot of people are attacking his thoughts on this as they're scared to be called racists and want to show the world that they aren't by shouting about it.

By all means one can say they're happy with how London has gone, but to deny it altogether is just odd. I for one don't feel like London is in my country. It feels like a different country when I go there.

You don't help with people thinking you're an alt-right nutter when you're quoting alt-right nutters.

 

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[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

You don't help with people thinking you're an alt-right nutter when you're quoting alt-right nutters.

If you just watch the video there really isn't much to argue with.

If there was you would have done so already.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

F me the snow flakes on here would melt in Dubai where 80% of the population are foreign born. Brits actually make up the largest percentage of westerners in that equation too. The world is shrinking, everywhere is getting more diverse, grow up and deal with it.

Says the man who in the previous post refers to 'bloody Italians' lol

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[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

That puzzles me greatly. You don't feel like London is in your country?

So much of the centre of London is so quintessentially English. The Tower of London, Big Ben and the Houses of Parliament, all the museums and galleries, Hamley's, Fortnum and Mason and Selfridge's, all the theatres, Buckingham Palace etc. etc.

We go to London a lot and travel all over London for my daughter's auditions and castings and it still all feels like London to me. Just with more foreign voices.

But in Coventry you also hear so many different languages nowadays.

Quoting a few tourist attractions doesn't change anything.

Having a few foreign voices isn't an issue. Having British people as a minority in their own capital is in my view.

So much of it is a dump and so much of it looks nothing like England. Go out and explore it. If you did, you wouldn't be able to come back on here and pretend as if it's all teacakes and polo.

 

[dutchman]

John Cleese lives in the Caribbean and moans about foreigners who are the wrong colour..

You probably think blacks were the original inhabitants?

 

[clint van damme]

You probably think blacks were the original inhabitants?

You probably think Anglo Saxons were in this country.

 

[Liquid Gold]

It's such a non issue argument. Old man complains things have changed, who gives a shit. Some people like London and others don't, who gives a shit.

 

[dutchman]

You probably think Anglo Saxons were in this country.

No, why would I?

The Ancient Brits were a Celtic tribe but no-one is certain what they looked like and they didn't inhabit the whole of the British Isles.

(But you probably knew that already being the expert on ethnicity you clearly are?)

 

[Otis]

Quoting a few tourist attractions doesn't change anything.

Having a few foreign voices isn't an issue. Having British people as a minority in their own capital is in my view.

So much of it is a dump and so much of it looks nothing like England. Go out and explore it. If you did, you wouldn't be able to come back on here and pretend as if it's all teacakes and polo.

You obviously didn't read my post. We go for auditions all the time.

They are all over, all over London. Every area and nearly always not central London.

If you name a place I bet we have been to an audition there. And we nearly always have to walk through areas too to get to the location we need to be.

 

[Evo1883]

It’s still a far lower percentage than it was at it’s point of creation as it was created as our capital by the Romans so it was full of bloody Italians. But aside from that what have the Italians done for us?

Actually most Romans that settled here were recruits from the rhineland and gaul but I get what your saying

 

[Evo1883]

John Cleese lives in the Caribbean and moans about foreigners who are the wrong colour..
Is this new Monty Python material?
And London is a fucking great city.

To be fair, he never said anything about colour

 

[duffer]

Quoting a few tourist attractions doesn't change anything.

Having a few foreign voices isn't an issue. Having British people as a minority in their own capital is in my view.

So much of it is a dump and so much of it looks nothing like England. Go out and explore it. If you did, you wouldn't be able to come back on here and pretend as if it's all teacakes and polo.

London has never been about tea-cakes and polo. It's never been posh either, in the places where the people who work for a living live anyway. Anyone who thinks that it isn't and hasn't always been multi-cultural has obviously never lived there.

Let's be honest here, your real definition of non-British is has a funny accent and/or is non-white, and or expresses attachment to a religion you don't like. Whether they've got citizenship, or the right to work here, or even were actually born here isn't what you actually think of when you think of someone as being 'British', is it? C'mon, be honest now...

 

[clint van damme]

No, why would I?

The Ancient Brits were a Celtic tribe but no-one is certain what they looked like and they didn't inhabit the whole of the British Isles.

(But you probably knew that already being the expert on ethnicity you clearly are?)

I'm not an expert on anything. Difference is I don't pretend to be.

 

[dutchman]

I'm not an expert on anything.

Neither am I.

Difference is I don't pretend to be.

Yes you did and made an idiot of yourself in the process.

 

[Marty]

I think he's right, I don't like London, I think it's a shit hole, we should have closed the border immediately after brexit, and only taken in people with skills we need.

The problem is that the youth of today think they're too good to work in factory's, cleaners etc, so unfortunately there is a need for unskilled workers from the continent.

 

[Grendel]

Utterly disgusting article by a left wing rag

John Cleese criticised for saying London no longer an English city

 

[clint van damme]

Neither am I.


Yes you did and made an idiot of yourself in the process.

I don't think saying you probably think this country was originally Anglo Saxon is laying claim to bring an expert. It was actually a paraphrasing of your post so as usual you're wide of the mark.

 

[clint van damme]

To be fair, he never said anything about colour

True. I took that to be the inference.
I could be wrong and he could be including white Europeans, which makes it all the more hilarious that ESB and Dutchman are agreeing with him.

 

[dutchman]

I don't think saying you probably think this country was originally Anglo Saxon is laying claim to bring an expert. It was actually a paraphrasing of your post so as usual you're wide of the mark.

You tried to ridicule my post but your lack of knowledge on the subject instead made you look an idiot.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

London has never been about tea-cakes and polo. It's never been posh either, in the places where the people who work for a living live anyway. Anyone who thinks that it isn't and hasn't always been multi-cultural has obviously never lived there.

Let's be honest here, your real definition of non-British is has a funny accent and/or is non-white, and or expresses attachment to a religion you don't like. Whether they've got citizenship, or the right to work here, or even were actually born here isn't what you actually think of when you think of someone as being 'British', is it? C'mon, be honest now...

Why do you hate your own country so much?

Common or not common, it doesn't matter. An abundance of halal butcheriours, knife crime and acid attacks are not what you would call a forward thinking and progress society.

I don't care where you come from, but if the mother culture is lost from a place, it isn't that 'place' anymore. A lot of people who are not from the UK have moved there and have started taking liberties. How can you deny that?

London as well as many other parts of the UK have lost their way. People like you have contributed to that but criticising anyone who doesn't like this as 'racist'.

Pathetic.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

True. I took that to be the inference.
I could be wrong and he could be including white Europeans, which makes it all the more hilarious that ESB and Dutchman are agreeing with him.

No, because the lefty crew shout racist and you follow suit. You're better than that.

He moved to the Caribbean and said how lovely all the black people are there. Sounds very racist to me...

It also doesn't invalidate his opinion either. As you know, my missus is Slovak and has said London doesn't feel like England.

If you like it, fair enough. If you don't, it should be ok to have that opinion too.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Why do you hate your own country so much?

Common or not common, it doesn't matter. An abundance of halal butcheriours, knife crime and acid attacks are not what you would call a forward thinking and progress society.

I don't care where you come from, but if the mother culture is lost from a place, it isn't that 'place' anymore. A lot of people who are not from the UK have moved there and have started taking liberties. How can you deny that?

London as well as many other parts of the UK have lost their way. People like you have contributed to that but criticising anyone who doesn't like this as 'racist'.

Pathetic.

What is britishness then?

 

[dutchman]

True. I took that to be the inference.
I could be wrong and he could be including white Europeans, which makes it all the more hilarious that ESB and Dutchman are agreeing with him.

I haven't expressed any opinion on what he said, one way or the other.

 

[clint van damme]

You tried to ridicule my post but your lack of knowledge on the subject instead made you look an idiot.

It's not lack of knowledge.
Carribean islands are mainly inhabited by afro carribean. John Cleese isn't one so he's being hypocritical when making comment about non indigenous Inhabitats of London.
I am aware of what Europeans did in the carribean, though no expert. But for the purpose of this debate surely we're talking about the current dominant ethnic group? Same with reference to the UK?

 

[clint van damme]

No, because the lefty crew shout racist and you follow suit. You're better than that.

He moved to the Caribbean and said how lovely all the black people are there. Sounds very racist to me...

It also doesn't invalidate his opinion either. As you know, my missus is Slovak and has said London doesn't feel like England.

If you like it, fair enough. If you don't, it should be ok to have that opinion too.

I haven't called him a racist, I've called him a hypocrite.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

What is britishness then?

Somewhere like Fosehill Road... What do you think?

Why are you bothering anyway? You hate your own country too and are in denial about it losing its culture.

 

[clint van damme]

Yes, there is in the centre. Many of the suburbs are dreadful. Worse than anything around our patch. I lived for many years in South London in the 1980s and for short periods in seven sisters, Hammersmith and bethnel green.
What John cleese has said was as true then as it is now. It's also extremely deprived in huge areas, but you never hear about it. Hammersmith and Fulham sounds quite affluent but much of it is extremely poor, and there's far, far worse.

That's probably true of most large cities though isn't it?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I haven't called him a racist, I've called him a hypocrite.

You said he moans about people with a different skin colour. That's towing the narrative.

 

[clint van damme]

Somewhere like Fosehill Road... What do you think?

Why are you bothering anyway? You hate your own country too and are in denial about it losing its culture.

In the late 40s you'd have referenced a Jewish area.
In the 50 and 60s you'd have referenced a black area or an Irish area.
Different era, same rhetoric, same undertones.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Somewhere like Fosehill Road... What do you think?

Why are you bothering anyway? You hate your own country too and are in denial about it losing its culture.

I'm not the one complaining, define it or stop being a bitch about losing something you can't even put your finger on. I love my country, hate that there are more and more backwards twats in it at the moment.

 

[clint van damme]

You said he moans about people with a different skin colour. That's towing the narrative.

No it's hypocritical considering he's moved somewhere where he's in the minority and is himself an immigrant.
May be he is racist ist, I don't know though I doubt it but he is a hypocrite.

 

[Grappa]

evergreen

 

[Evo1883]

evergreen

Blokes a grade a twat to be fair, and extremely unfunny

I often wonder when his Labour video will release where he talks about their racism within the party

 

[Evo1883]

No it's hypocritical considering he's moved somewhere where he's in the minority and is himself an immigrant.
May be he is racist ist, I don't know though I doubt it but he is a hypocrite.

To be fair, I highly doubt a racist would move to a place where almost all the inhabitants are of a different race

 

[clint van damme]

To be fair, I highly doubt a racist would move to a place where almost all the inhabitants are of a different race

Agree. Which is why I'm highly doubtful he is.