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[covcity4life]

All orcherstrated from top by council

Wanted to profit from ccfc rent. When it went tits up and they were in trouble they sold tonwasps to spite sisu and now only care about driving them out

 

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[Fergusons_Beard]

Old article but way cheaper than Trust...

‘Cost breakdown

The cost model is based on a regional stadium with a total of 25,000 seats. The development has a gross floor area, which includes the area of the tiers, of 35,800 m2.

The stadium features a continuous roof enclosing one two-tier stand, with the rest of the seating arranged on a single tier. The scope of works described in the cost model excludes the fitting out of back-of-house areas, hospitality areas and concessions. The total value of the fit-out works is approximately £4.25 million. Included in the scheme are costs for the pitch and floodlighting, totalling £1.15 million.

Rates in the model are at 2nd quarter 2004 price levels, based on a lump sum contract and a location in South East England. Costs of site preparation, fit-out, external works, loose equipment and catering equipment are excluded, as well as professional fees and VAT. The model also excludes allowances for site of project and normals.

Rates in the model may need to be adjusted to account for specification, site conditions, procurement route and programme.’

https://www.building.co.uk/data/cost-model-football-stadiums/3036931.article


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[Nick]

Have they not researched the impact on the local economy too?

Nobody at all is mentioning that.

Just waiting for Duggins to start blaming SISU for people losing their jobs.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Claims about potential cost of a new stadium for CCFC

A really strange article about stadium costs.

Maybe that's why they have been so quiet for weeks? The angle they are pushing is a bit too obvious.

They probably make some fair points about cost but then ignore all that cost produces an asset with some value

 

[chiefdave]

They probably make some fair points about cost but then ignore all that cost produces an asset with some value

And no discussion ever seems to mention that if we end up having to pay the cost of a stadium build over the next 50 years is that better or worse than paying rent for the next 50 years and have nothing to show for it. People talk like its go and burn £50m and have nothing to show for it.

 

[djr8369]

Have they not researched the impact on the local economy too?

I do wonder if there are parties in this situation whose idea of local only goes as far as their own wallet.


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[luwalla]

its a bit 'back of a fag packet' .. which begs the question, why bother!

there are so many things that could affect the cost. And leaving all that aside, its pretty irrelevant what it costs to build as will the club be paying it anyway ? I imagine it will be made of of investment companies, land or building allocation ( like the Tesco deal ) and possibly even housing and grants etc.

This is purely article is aimed at making people think "there is no way SISU are gonna put 52 million into a stadium" when in reality, they wont need too

 

[Grendel]

its a bit 'back of a fag packet' .. which begs the question, why bother!

there are so many things that could affect the cost. And leaving all that aside, its pretty irrelevant what it costs to build as will the club be paying it anyway ? I imagine it will be made of of investment companies, land or building allocation ( like the Tesco deal ) and possibly even housing and grants etc.

This is purely article is aimed at making people think "there is no way SISU are gonna put 52 million into a stadium" when in reality, they wont need too

Wasps have told the club to get lost - what can they do?

Wasps are scum aren’t they?

 

[ccfc92]

Looking around, Brentford are paying 70 million for a new 17500 stadium, so I'd say that figure they've stated is probably a little below reality tbh.

But either way, I'm not a stadium designer / construction manager so couldn't really say what's true or not

You'd have to take into account the cost of land in London though tbf...

 

[Nick]

Wasps have told the club to get lost - what can they do?

Obviously if the fans shout loud enough they can hand the club over to somebody with a deal already done with Wasps?

 

[luwalla]

Wasps have told the club to get lost - what can they do?

Wasps are scum aren’t they?

not sure what your point is, in relation to my post ?

 

[theferret]

Nobody in the media has mentioned the comment from Duggins about SISU's stated intention of building a stadium just outside the city border being "an act of hostility". Of course, SISU then subsequently entered talks with CRFC about a joint venture at The Butts, very much IN Coventry. What happens? More council dark arts and the whole notion is killed dead. The fucking audacity.

 

[higgs]

Could the organise a fan funded stadium?

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[Nick]

Nobody in the media has mentioned the comment from Duggins about SISU's stated intention of building a stadium just outside the city border being "an act of hostility". Of course, SISU then subsequently entered talks with CRFC about a joint venture at The Butts, very much IN Coventry. What happens? More council dark arts and the whole notion is killed dead. The fucking audacity.

I don't get why the media and the Trust aren't willing to ask any questions of them.

If they had the pressure on them we are only just starting to see in the last 3-4 months years ago things might be a bit different.

 

[CovUpNorth]

They are a tiny group of nutters who don't represent the wider fan base. Unfortunately local media use their status as a pwn for trying to influence public opinion.

Sounds a lot like this place.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Sounds a lot like this place.

Please enlighten me as to our exposure in local media.

 

[djr8369]

I don't get why the media and the Trust aren't willing to ask any questions of them.

If they had the pressure on them we are only just starting to see in the last 3-4 months years ago things might be a bit different.

As I’ve said previously the actions of a number of parties in this situation are completely nonsensical. It’s hard not to draw worrying conclusions when guessing at what they could be.


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[skybluetony176]

Looking around, Brentford are paying 70 million for a new 17500 stadium, so I'd say that figure they've stated is probably a little below reality tbh.

But either way, I'm not a stadium designer / construction manager so couldn't really say what's true or not

Out of interest what did the land cost for Brentford’s new stadium. You can see it at the end of the M4 on your right when you go into London. Looks like a piece of prime real estate. Affluent up and coming area, surrounded by swanky office blocks and top end car dealerships. Not sure if the £70M you’re quoting includes the cost of acquiring land or is pure construction costs but if the former I would think land purchase is a significant percentage of £70M.

 

[skybluetony176]

They are a tiny group of nutters who don't represent the wider fan base. Unfortunately local media use their status as a pwn for trying to influence public opinion.

Shame Grendull bottled it. Sounds like he’d have fitted right in

 

[pastythegreat]

The trust constantly bang on about how there is no way sisu will build a stadium, and I agree with them.
So what is the point of the trust?

 

[pastythegreat]

Changed that for you

 

[skybluetony176]

No but as wasps have banned the club from the stadium in Coventry why is that not the focus of his attention.

It must be that time of year when I agree with Grendull. See you in 12 months.

 

[CovUpNorth]

Please enlighten me as to our exposure in local media.

I’d concentrate more on the nutters comment.

 

[Liquid Gold]

I’d concentrate more on the nutters comment.

I'd concentrate more on our official supporters trust running as protest vehicle against the owners than what some bloke on the internet says personally.

 

[tisza]

Looking around, Brentford are paying 70 million for a new 17500 stadium, so I'd say that figure they've stated is probably a little below reality tbh.

But either way, I'm not a stadium designer / construction manager so couldn't really say what's true or not

I think Brentford project includes a large residential project which bumps up costs but will pay for the project.

 

[ccfcway]

I'd concentrate more on our official supporters trust running as protest vehicle against the owners than what some bloke on the internet says personally.

Curious, How do they become the official trust ?.

 

[CovUpNorth]

I'd concentrate more on our official supporters trust running as protest vehicle against the owners than what some bloke on the internet says personally.

And also the “not representing the wider fan base” comment.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Curious, How do they become the official trust ?.

They are acknowledged as so by supporters direct.

 

[Liquid Gold]

And also the “not representing the wider fan base” comment.

Your priorities are all over the place.

 

[Nick]

And also the “not representing the wider fan base” comment.

Is anybody on here claiming to?

Its just a shame they send out thick people to stick up for them.

 

[Evo1883]

Rotherham new York stadium 2012
12000 capacity
20 million

One of the newer ones in the FL

 

[Warwickhunt]

its a bit 'back of a fag packet' .. which begs the question, why bother!

there are so many things that could affect the cost. And leaving all that aside, its pretty irrelevant what it costs to build as will the club be paying it anyway ? I imagine it will be made of of investment companies, land or building allocation ( like the Tesco deal ) and possibly even housing and grants etc.

This is purely article is aimed at making people think "there is no way SISU are gonna put 52 million into a stadium" when in reality, they wont need too

Infrastructure! Roads and access bumps up the cost enormously

 

[Limey]

Sounds trivial but maybe withdraw membership, unfollow them on twitter/Facebook if you no longer agree with their position? Surely they get media coverage purely based on members/followers? If that went downwards then who do they represent?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Out of interest what did the land cost for Brentford’s new stadium. You can see it at the end of the M4 on your right when you go into London. Looks like a piece of prime real estate. Affluent up and coming area, surrounded by swanky office blocks and top end car dealerships. Not sure if the £70M you’re quoting includes the cost of acquiring land or is pure construction costs but if the former I would think land purchase is a significant percentage of £70M.

Hmmm. Only if you head towards Ealing! I'll grant you I haven't been there for a while, but affluent was certainly pushing the envelope!

Anyway, wrt CCFC and a stadium, what is unreasonable about the workings given out here? I'd like to know, just for my own judgement. Isn't this just coming up with a ballpark average? What I see, really, is an opening up for discussion on a new stadium.

Now, in that spirit, I always get annoyed when football clubs boil down to finances. Personally I think for reasons of identity, easy brand values, and a sense of place, a stadium of our opwn is an absolute must.

if, however, SISU are determined to pursue Plan A, it's not entirely unreasonable to ask them for something more than 'we're going to build a new stadium' is it? Just a *little* meat on the bones would be nice!

And funding is a very real consideration. If I'm not to take at face value Hoffman's 'we've got the funds, honest' takeover approach, it also applies for SISU and a stadium, in my view.

 

[CovUpNorth]

Is anybody on here claiming to?

Its just a shame they send out thick people to stick up for them.

Here he is, king of the nutters!! come on say it, I’m waiting .......”desperate” is it or what’s the other classic “it’s too obvious”