shmmeee
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90% turnout for 65+??? Record low youth turnout?
It’s like they went “how can we make this look as good as possible for the Tories?”
Federal Europe? What?
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90% turnout for 65+??? Record low youth turnout?
It’s like they went “how can we make this look as good as possible for the Tories?”
Federal Europe? What?
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Once you do that you’re effectively in a coalition in voters minds. Remember how badly the SNP coalition idea was for Miliband with English voters? If we step down for the Greens then expect to see headlines linking every mental policy the greens have with Labour.
A General Election is no time to be nice. The Greens are out there saying not to vote for us at all and we are a party of Leave. The kind of niceness you and other are looking for would be seen as weakness among the electorate. The Tories get this. They are election winning machines.
Brighton Sky Blue
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What is the legality behind seizing all of their properties and assets for public redistribution?
skybluetony176
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This was the mistake they made in 2017. They based their polls partly on expected turnout of age groups and grossly under-calculated the turnout of young voters, they’ve supposedly learned from this and maybe they have upped their estimates from 2017, I don’t know but the current figures seem to bare little resemblance to the actual turnout of 2017 and I’m not sure what they’ve factored in to predict the lower turnout.
If they are making the same mistakes again then this election really was ill advised because Boris isn’t enjoying anything like the margins May enjoyed and we all know how that turned out.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Unlike with May though the margins are either staying the same or increasing because Labour can’t draw any more votes from the Lib Dems. There is probably 15% of the electorate who really do want Brexit just cancelled outright and won’t budge.
So the Dems can facilitate Tory government for the umpteenth time. Last 3 polls now have Tory lead at 15+ points. Fatty’s going to romp home at this rate.
Ian1779
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If they are weighting their polls in any way like they are suggesting... then they will all become obsolete if 18-24 turnout is even at 2017 levels. If anything - I would expect turnout in this category to increase...
Otis
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There probably isn't any, but it would be great fun to watch.
Skybluefaz
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Private schools shouldn’t exist, neither should single sex schools or any school that demands you to be a certain religion. People should not be divided up by money, sex or whatever God they have had inflicted on them
Brighton Sky Blue
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Not really buying it to be honest, Porky must be delighted so far.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I can definitely see the poor turnout in the young. Party season, can't be arsed to go out in the cold etc.
Less sure on the increase in elderly turnout also given the cold weather so a number may be ill or hospitalised. I can see a few taking measures such as postal/proxy voting just in case but I can't see it being higher than the previous election.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Not sure this is a premonition but I had a dream the Tories won but Alexander lost his seat.
skybluetony176
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I would piss myself. It would almost be worth the Tories winning just to see that outcome.
M&B Stand
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That aimed at Thornberry, Abbott or Chakrabarti?
I actually think that could happen
Ian1779
Well-Known Member
Swinson is the most at risk of losing hers.
dutchman
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It's the ultimate aim of the EU and always has been as you well know so stop pretending otherwise.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Definitely. I’d be surprised if she holds onto her seat.
skybluetony176
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Ian1779
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This ‘prediction’ is suggesting only half of the young people will vote this time that did in 2017. There is no tangible evidence to support this hypothesis. New voter registration has spiked in the last 2 weeks (largely in this age range), and this is an age range that is a much larger group of individuals that 65+
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
It spiked in the previous 8 weeks to the GE being announced, about 2 million new voters apparently. The majority under 35.
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Yes that does seem a big drop but despite he new registrations I can see it being significantly lower in that age group due to weather, Xmas parties and students moving over Xmas holidays.
The prediction does seem heavily weighted to look good for the Tories I must admit. Maybe it'll lead to complacency or give a kick up the arse to non-Tories. I even think it might be a good thing if Tories kept a half decent leading up to the exit polls for the same reasons
Ian1779
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Astute
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Why not?
1, People should be able to spend their money where they want if it is legally made.
2, The state then doesn't have to fund them through education leaving more money for those who have a state school education.
SkyBlueDom26
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Why shouldn’t they? If people want to spend their hard earned money on sending their kids to a private school then they should be able to....
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Just out of interest do you know how many of those were winter elections?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Although I'm not necessarily in favour of banning private education I do think it should be discouraged because it fuels the 'us and them' mentality in both classes.
Those that benefit from it are effectively kept in a bubble surrounded by other privileged kids who are brought up believing they're smarter, and just generally 'better' than those with a state education. They take the better jobs they get when they leave as proof of this despite it more being about contacts and networks than intelligence. This in turn leads to them taking on people from those same backgrounds because they believe them to be more intelligent and so the vicious cycle continues and creates a huge barrier to social mobility.
I've said before that my comp education made me a much more rounded person. If I'd had the privilege of a private education I very much doubt that'd be the case.
Brighton Sky Blue
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This is one of the big things that the policy proponents haven't thought through. Loads of children suddenly entering the state sector with the assumption being made that all the teachers and staff will move across with them. I imagine most private school teachers would change professions instead of going into comps. Also would it mean that you would have some children in Cov for example getting the facilities of Bablake and Henry's but others getting the existing comps?
An absurd policy that I sincerely hope doesn't make it into the manifesto.
Ian1779
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64 and the 2nd one in 74 were both in October. The rest in spring/summer
Astute
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The 'us and them' is mainly people jealous of those doing better than themselves. The next step down is those who constantly stay in debt trying to make it look they are loaded.
People like myself just don't care that there are people better off than ourselves. People need to put their energy into bettering themselves and bot trying to think of ways of making everyone more equal. Because the only way you can do it is maje everyone monetarily equal. And that is impossible.
Astute
Well-Known Member
Exactly.
Either they haven't thought it out properly or they don't mind who is affected as long as the rich take a hint.
Yes stop the charitable status. Tax the private schools. The rich will still be able to send their kids. It is the ones stretching themselves to send their kids. And add the money raised to state school funding because much more funding is needed. And that is without many more children joining that are forced out of private schools.
clint van damme
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Totally agree. No problem with private schools but their charitable status should be removed.
SkyBlueDom26
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See Corbyn has attacked the SNP saying they are willing to let Boris get in....
Corbyn is making enemies with everyone
Corbyn is making enemies with everyone
skybluetony176
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Agree. If you can afford to send your kids to private school you don’t need charity.
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westcountry_skyblue
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What about the private schools the Labour Party mps and their kids went/are going to?
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Well they’re going to be hoping de Pfeffel Johnson gets in as it will make the break up of the UK more likely, much the same reason why Sinn Feinn are also hoping he gets in.