General Election 2019 thread (28 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

The Independent are reporting tonight that the gap in some polls is down to 8 points now. Two more weeks of Borising around aren’t going to help the Tories, they best lock him up in the dungeon they’ve currently got Rees-Mogg locked up in.

 

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[Walsgrave]

You said that Labour would put our children in debt. Was that what you meant or not?
I love this complex you've got that you're always right and it's just everybody else defining fact incorrectly.

Man tried to convince me that I do not know the meaning of a hard Brexit by suggesting that it is a No Deal :joyful:

 

[Astute]

You said that Labour would put our children in debt. Was that what you meant or not?
I love this complex you've got that you're always right and it's just everybody else defining fact incorrectly.

Get it right. Our children's generation. Debt that must be paid for with tax grabs under Labour or austerity measures under the Tories. But that is OK with you. Of course it is. Labour won't fuck the economy up yet again......Will they.........

But in the real world it worries me. I don't want all tax income to go mainly on paying debt off. It won't be a problem for me if my plans work out. But I have kids and grandkids still in the UK.

 

[Astute]

Man tried to convince me that I do not know the meaning of a hard Brexit by suggesting that it is a No Deal :joyful:

Go on then. What is the meaning of 'hard Brexit'

And there is no such thing as 'no deal'. It is 'no agreement'

 

[Walsgrave]

Go on then. What is the meaning of 'hard Brexit'

And there is no such thing as 'no deal'. It is 'no agreement'

Since you asked Hard, Soft, On Hold or No Deal: Brexit Outcomes Explained

 

[skybluetony176]

Get it right. Our children's generation. Debt that must be paid for with tax grabs under Labour or austerity measures under the Tories. But that is OK with you. Of course it is. Labour won't fuck the economy up yet again......Will they.........

But in the real world it worries me. I don't want all tax income to go mainly on paying debt off. It won't be a problem for me if my plans work out. But I have kids and grandkids still in the UK.

But the Tories didn’t pay it with austerity. The debt has actually gone up with less to show for it unless you count a failing social care systems, failing health system, rising knife crimes, falling police numbers etc etc etc as success. Nine years of the Tories and Lib Dem’s austerity achieved exactly zilch, less than zilch in fact.

 

[chiefdave]

Debt that must be paid for with tax grabs under Labour or austerity measures under the Tories.

The debt wasn't paid for by austerity measures, its increased faster than ever! But ignoring that if both not spending and spending are wrong what is your proposal?

 

[chiefdave]

The Independent are reporting tonight that the gap in some polls is down to 8 points now. Two more weeks of Borising around aren’t going to help the Tories, they best lock him up in the dungeon they’ve currently got Rees-Mogg locked up in.

This is interesting. Get below a 7% lead and its hung parliament territory, which seems a bit counter intuitive but there you go.

The rate the lead is diminishing its not out of the question that we end up back where we started. In fact if you look at the underlying data we're currently following a very similar pattern to the last election campaign where May started off with a huge lead and confident of a landslide, we all know how that turned out.

 

[Astute]

Since you asked Hard, Soft, On Hold or No Deal: Brexit Outcomes Explained

Oh the desperation of some people to try and show they are right. Thanks for proving yourself wrong.

Here it is for you. And from your own link. No agreement....or as you say no deal.

A hard Brexit is another way to say a clean break from Europe. That means Britain giving up membership of the EU's single market, an arrangement that enables the country to trade freely with its European partners without restrictions of tariffs.


Supporters of a hard Brexit want the freedom to set up their own trade deals and rules. The problem is that drawing up its own independent trade agreements will take a lot of time and, in the meanwhile, force the country to use less favorable World Trade Organization rules.


If Britain finds itself outside of the customs union, imported goods will suddenly become much more expensive, squeezing consumer spending across the country and weighing on the many firms that buy in European materials and do business with their European partners. At present, roughly 45% of the U.K.'s exports are to the EU while 50% of the goods it imports come from the EU.

And you won't get the backing you are expecting because you seem to be the only person who doesn't seem to know what is going on.

 

[Astute]

The debt wasn't paid for by austerity measures, its increased faster than ever! But ignoring that if both not spending and spending are wrong what is your proposal?

Not promising to spend hundreds of billions of pounds in a short time when the experts in those fields say it can't be done in the timescale given.

 

[Astute]

The debt wasn't paid for by austerity measures, its increased faster than ever! But ignoring that if both not spending and spending are wrong what is your proposal?

Faster than ever?

 

[Walsgrave]

Oh the desperation of some people to try and show they are right. Thanks for proving yourself wrong.

Here it is for you. And from your own link. No agreement....or as you say no deal.

A hard Brexit is another way to say a clean break from Europe. That means Britain giving up membership of the EU's single market, an arrangement that enables the country to trade freely with its European partners without restrictions of tariffs.


Supporters of a hard Brexit want the freedom to set up their own trade deals and rules. The problem is that drawing up its own independent trade agreements will take a lot of time and, in the meanwhile, force the country to use less favorable World Trade Organization rules.


If Britain finds itself outside of the customs union, imported goods will suddenly become much more expensive, squeezing consumer spending across the country and weighing on the many firms that buy in European materials and do business with their European partners. At present, roughly 45% of the U.K.'s exports are to the EU while 50% of the goods it imports come from the EU.

And you won't get the backing you are expecting because you seem to be the only person who doesn't seem to know what is going on.

"Unlike, a hard Brexit, which could theoretically include some type of agreement with the EU and potentially set out a transitional period to negotiate free trade deals, a no deal scenario presents no cushion whatsoever."

Thank you Astute, but I don't need the gratification! No Deal implies a Hard Brexit (of the most extreme form); but not the other way round.

 

[skybluetony176]

This is interesting. Get below a 7% lead and its hung parliament territory, which seems a bit counter intuitive but there you go.

The rate the lead is diminishing its not out of the question that we end up back where we started. In fact if you look at the underlying data we're currently following a very similar pattern to the last election campaign where May started off with a huge lead and confident of a landslide, we all know how that turned out.

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Much later in the day as well. I posted an article a few days ago from the 2017 election and it was on the basis of the final poll before voting, predicting a Tory landslide.

There’s plenty of signs that there could be some twists in this election. Boris has ballsed up if you ask me, or should that be Cummings. It is often said that the only thing Cummings hates more than the EU is the Tory Party so maybe he’s just taking the piss. Let’s face it, Boris isn’t sharp enough to work that out. Cummings could be a Trojan horse and done Boris up like a kipper here.

 

[skybluetony176]

Faster than ever?

85% of GDP currently, it was 69% in 2010. The highest since we paid of WW2 debt and the fastest rise in peacetime.

 

[Grendel]

This is interesting. Get below a 7% lead and its hung parliament territory, which seems a bit counter intuitive but there you go.

The rate the lead is diminishing its not out of the question that we end up back where we started. In fact if you look at the underlying data we're currently following a very similar pattern to the last election campaign where May started off with a huge lead and confident of a landslide, we all know how that turned out.

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there hasn’t been a you gov official look for 3 days?

 

[skybluetony176]

“The IMF was generally supportive of then Chancellor George Osborne's plans to cut government spending to reduce that deficit.

However, it was critical of the pace at which the government cut investment spending, as spending on long-term projects can boost the economy, and make cutting the deficit easier.

In its regular Article IV report on the UK in 2012, it noted that the UK's economic "recovery has stalled" and that "boosting infrastructure spending would support growth."

 

[skybluetony176]

there hasn’t been a you gov official look for 3 days?

You’re saying it could be worse for the Tories than currently known. I suppose you have a point, it could.

 

[chiefdave]

So are you saying there is nobody with a rented new car, holidays all over the place and all the latest gadgets not moaning about being skint and not being able to save for a deposit?

Not at all. I'm saying the suggestion that anyone who is struggling only has themselves to blame is wide of the mark yet seems to be suggested regularly on here.

And why is it that you have seen with your own eyes what has happened to pensions but you only have a go constantly at the Tories yet say how you can't get a pension that those before you got?

Unless you have a time machine handy we can't change what Blair and Brown did, and I certainly didn't vote for them so I'm not taking the blame on that. I can only look at the present and for the last few years we've had a Conservative government so my present situation is going to be impacted by their actions.

There are well paid jobs available where I live. But would you be willing to move hours away from who and what you know and to a place where you know nobody and nothing? It is what I have done several times yet I get some make out it was easy for me.

Not now, I've moved back to Cov, after 25 years away, to look after my parents in their old age. Unfortunately the services they have previously relied on to provide assistance have been shut down due to funding cuts.

But I've moved all round the country and overseas for work before so out of interest where are you suggesting moving to and what are you classing as a well paid job?

 

[Grendel]

You’re saying it could be worse for the Tories than currently known. I suppose you have a point, it could.

What’s it feel like not voting Tory for the first time Skybluetory? Sorry forget the time guy went UKIP - is it BNP now?

 

[clint van damme]

is this forum playing up?
I'm sure there are loads of posts condemning May for honouring a renown antisemite from those who are usually so concerned about it but I can't see any- must be a technical issue.

 

[skybluetony176]

What’s it feel like not voting Tory for the first time Skybluetory? Sorry forget the time guy went UKIP - is it BNP now?

Again with the fantasy. It will be the second time in 2 GE’s and the 4th time overall I haven’t voted Tory in a GE. But yet again you know this.

 

[skybluetony176]

Dom has been ringing into LBC
Boris Johnson fan can't give James O'Brien even one reason he likes the PM - LBC
Bants

 

[fellatio_Martinez]

I've said it before but polls aren't anything to be getting excited over.

The polls got Brexit, Trump etc wrong.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

there hasn’t been a you gov official look for 3 days?

Calling it now G, how many seats will Labour get?

 

[stupot07]

Dom has been ringing into LBC
Boris Johnson fan can't give James O'Brien even one reason he likes the PM - LBC
Bants

James O'Brien is brilliant.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

The Independent are reporting tonight that the gap in some polls is down to 8 points now. Two more weeks of Borising around aren’t going to help the Tories, they best lock him up in the dungeon they’ve currently got Rees-Mogg locked up in.

Looking at the recent evidence Labour’s small gains are from the Lib Dems with the Tories consistently over 40%. They’re going to need to pull another 5% off the Tories which is what the new ‘strategy’ is focussing on.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Looking at the recent evidence Labour’s small gains are from the Lib Dems with the Tories consistently over 40%. They’re going to need to pull another 5% off the Tories which is what the new ‘strategy’ is focussing on.

I think the last thing on most Labour candidates mind is pulling off a Tory.

 

[skybluetony176]

Boris Johnson's predicted Commons majority slashed from 80 to 12 in a week, poll of polls reveals

And to top that off he’s pissed of proper legend David Attenborough
David Attenborough calls Boris Johnson 'shameful' for skipping TV debate

 

[Astute]

"Unlike, a hard Brexit, which could theoretically include some type of agreement with the EU and potentially set out a transitional period to negotiate free trade deals, a no deal scenario presents no cushion whatsoever."

Thank you Astute, but I don't need the gratification! No Deal implies a Hard Brexit (of the most extreme form); but not the other way round.

So a hard Brexit is leaving with an agreement but something softer is leaving without an agreement? What planet are you on?

Or are you saying that no agreement is a hard Brexit and that you were totally wrong? Whichever way round it is you are not looking very clued up on what is occurring.

And this shows the absolute bias on here. You have someone as clueless as yourself and not a single person on the same side of the fence as yourself......Labour whatever happens......says a single word. But some wait for me to make a post so they can try their best to discredit the post even when backed up with 100% evidence.

 

[Astute]

Not at all. I'm saying the suggestion that anyone who is struggling only has themselves to blame is wide of the mark yet seems to be suggested regularly on here.

Unless you have a time machine handy we can't change what Blair and Brown did, and I certainly didn't vote for them so I'm not taking the blame on that. I can only look at the present and for the last few years we've had a Conservative government so my present situation is going to be impacted by their actions.

Not now, I've moved back to Cov, after 25 years away, to look after my parents in their old age. Unfortunately the services they have previously relied on to provide assistance have been shut down due to funding cuts.

But I've moved all round the country and overseas for work before so out of interest where are you suggesting moving to and what are you classing as a well paid job?

And yet again did I mention you personally?

By the sound of it you don't have a lot of choice. You are in Coventry for the foreseeable future. I will be the same in France. That is where my mother is. We are in the middle of obtaining a home a couple of doors away from her. It is a bungalow so we might even let my mother move in and we move into her home when needed. It has been on the market for years and knocked them down to 25,000€ because you have to go through a friend's garden to get to the back of the property.

OK whilst on the subject why did you travel around for work? Better money?

 

[Astute]

is this forum playing up?
I'm sure there are loads of posts condemning May for honouring a renown antisemite from those who are usually so concerned about it but I can't see any- must be a technical issue.

Is May the PM or trying to become PM?

 

[fernandopartridge]

James O'Brien is brilliant.

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He's a self satisfied dickhead

 

[stupot07]

He's a self satisfied dickhead

Yep, but a brilliant radio host

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Boris Johnson's predicted Commons majority slashed from 80 to 12 in a week, poll of polls reveals

And to top that off he’s pissed of proper legend David Attenborough
David Attenborough calls Boris Johnson 'shameful' for skipping TV debate

Ultimately there is nothing to crow about if they are still the largest party.

 

[Otis]

Ultimately there is nothing to crow about if they are still the largest party.

It was shameful. He can try and defend it all he likes, but to send Gove and his dad in, complete with film crew, is disrespectful and not taking the global climate crisis seriously enough at all.

I have now had three Tory leaflets through my door and had a phone call off them too. They seem rather desperate for my vote.

In the same period, I have had one Labour leaflet. Nothing from any other party.