General Election 2019 thread (8 Viewers)

[Liquid Gold]

I'm going to a conference in London tomorrow. £170 return on the train. Can anybody justify that?

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

I'm going to a conference in London tomorrow. £170 return on the train. Can anybody justify that?

Nope

 

[Astute]

I will defend anyone against bullshit attacks. It doesn’t change my view that his mishandling of Brexit meant he should have gone earlier this year.

Why do you do bullshit attacks then?

 

[Grendel]

I'm going to a conference in London tomorrow. £170 return on the train. Can anybody justify that?

Well yes because you are clearly travelling at peak time it would be absurd if a nationalised industry sought to reduce prices that can be claimed back by a business expense or through a tax allowance if self employed.

 

[Astute]

I think that given a) train pricing is absurd and such poor value and b) considerably cheaper in pretty much every westernised country in the world that it needs to be a policy for the future.

Right now there is no incentive for any of us in the Midlands (and probably the rest of the UK) to get a train to London. You can drive there and pay parking, congestion, tube and it still be so much cheaper.

The last time I got the train to London the Virgin train cost me £36. It was even 1st class that included a drink and something to eat. And the Midlands are over half way.

Buy a ticket on the day and you will pay the price. But how many people have to go to London and find out that day?

Just had a look. Chose tomorrow morning. Lancaster to London. £180 on the day.

 

[richnrg]

not sure I'd want to drive all the way to Lancaster, just to get on a (cheap?) train to London.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I think before its shouted down someone needs to explain why the rail fares in this country are so much higher than everywhere else in Europe. To me that suggests either someone is making a lot of money or our costs are out of control.

Those foreign rail operators are probably using their profits from investments in our rail operators to cut the price.

 

[Philosoraptor]

I will say on the ticketing front, I do use the West Coast Mainline. It's a essential element for me with travelling and the ticketing prices if you can book a few days ahead and some strange hours is pretty good.

If you have to get on the train with no advance knowledge of travel though is daylight robbery.

Let's say a years or two back I could scuttle down the line and back with a £30 return if you choose your journey carefully.

 

[Grendel]

Those foreign rail operators are probably using their profits from investments in our rail operators to cut the price.

our prices are not high?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I can't believe your lies unless you actually missed where I said it first time. Not one single reply. Not from anyone. Then it was time for the usual suspects to tr0y to discredit it and make out the May one was much more important when I brought it up the second time. And third. And fourth. But I don't expect anything else from you or others. This propaganda for Labour thread is a joke.

No point saying anything else after this. It will be fingers in ears and shouting 'la la la'. The fact remains people DID reply to the point you made. You've chosen to ignore them. Explain how someone advocating a two-state solution to the middle east can also want one of those states to not exist? You've been asked this many times now and not provided an answer.

btw I've already stated I won't be voting Labour in the election. You stated you're looking for a reason to do so and won't vote for anyone else if you don't. So why the fuck I'd be interested in Labour propaganda is anyone's guess.

 

[Astute]

No point saying anything else after this. It will be fingers in ears and shouting 'la la la'. The fact remains people DID reply to the point you made. You've chosen to ignore them. Explain how someone advocating a two-state solution to the middle east can also want one of those states to not exist? You've been asked this many times now and not provided an answer.

btw I've already stated I won't be voting Labour in the election. You stated you're looking for a reason to do so and won't vote for anyone else if you don't. So why the fuck I'd be interested in Labour propaganda is anyone's guess.

If I wasn't pointing out your propaganda for Labour or your defending of Labour wasn't being pointed out we wouldn't have the slightest disagreement because the rest of the time I have a go at the Tories. And you are in full agreement with this so you bever make the slightest comment unless on the rare occasion you join in.

And there are several others on here that want to make out it isn't what they are up to.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Why do you do bullshit attacks then?

This is why engaging with you is a waste of time.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

our prices are not high?

Lol

 

[Grendel]

Lol

Explain which areas are higher than since privatisation.

 

[Astute]

This is why engaging with you is a waste of time.

Don't worry. Won't reply to the rubbish you come out with again.

 

[stupot07]

I'm going to a conference in London tomorrow. £170 return on the train. Can anybody justify that?

No, they are completely screwing you. And whilst some will say that's peak time, etc.

How can it be right that a return to birmingham from Nuneaton on a Saturday for a family of 4 be over 2.5 times more the cost from Coventry. Both journeys are direct and lead than 30 mins.

And they wonder why people choose not to use public transport

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[Astute]

No, they are completely screwing you. And whilst some will say that's peak time, etc.

How can it be right that a return to birmingham from Nuneaton on a Saturday for a family of 4 be over 2.5 times more the cost from Coventry. Both journeys are direct and lead than 30 mins.

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Because your first ticket is an off peak return and your second ticket is anytime day return. First ticket you have to get them trains the second ticket you can get any train.

Quite easy really.

 

[stupot07]

Because your first ticket is an off peak return and your second ticket is anytime day return. First ticket you have to get them trains the second ticket you can get any train.

Quite easy really.

There is no choice for off peak.

Also, surely there is no 'peak' fare on a saturday, both tickets are basically the same.

So not quite easy really


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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Explain which areas are higher than since privatisation.

Last year it cost me £50 to travel from Bristol to Birmingham, with a railcard, for what is barely a 2 hour journey.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Don't worry. Won't reply to the rubbish you come out with again.

You mean when I agree with you and you ignore it?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Wonder if anyone can guess Boris next move?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Because your first ticket is an off peak return and your second ticket is anytime day return. First ticket you have to get them trains the second ticket you can get any train.

Quite easy really.

It's a weekend ticket so an off peak is valid on any train

 

[shmmeee]

ITT people defending corporations ripping them off so they don’t have to agree with the Labour Party

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Wonder if anyone can guess Boris next move?

Impressionable blonde 20-something.

 

[Grendel]

Last year it cost me £50 to travel from Bristol to Birmingham, with a railcard, for what is barely a 2 hour journey.

It’s no more than when the railways were nationalised and actually is not bad value

 

[Liquid Gold]

public transport should always be cheaper than travelling by car and contributing to environmental destruction in the process.

 

[Grendel]

public transport should always be cheaper than travelling by car and contributing to environmental destruction in the process.

it is

 

[SkyblueBazza]

I mean I think it’s a bit weird that you find an aspiration to reach a four day week unacceptable but each to their own.

As I say though, conference motions are always further left than the party manifesto because it’s purely made by membership and hasn’t been watered down by the party machinery yet. AFAIK the Tories don’t have an equivalent because they aren’t a democratic party so it’s more like taking things fringe groups have said.

On that point I agree, I won’t vote Tory for many reasons (rank incompetence mostly), but a large part is the states positions of its MPs that aren’t yet in its manifesto.

I don't find it unacceptable...just unaffordable & unachievable except for a few specific jobs

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[Liquid Gold]

it is

£20 return to drive to London tomorrow with 4 of us in the car.

£680 for us to get the train.

Is anybody good at maths?

 

[shmmeee]

I don't find it unacceptable...just unaffordable & unachievable except for a few specific jobs

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Then it won’t happen. But people said the same about the five day week and here we are, so what’s the harm in having it as an aim?

Edit: by the way, skilful moving of the goalposts from Dom’s mistaken point of on it being a manifesto pledge to whether it’s workable.

 

[Ian1779]

it is

In every other country apart from ours it seems.

 

[Grendel]

£20 return to drive to London tomorrow with 4 of us in the car.

£680 for us to get the train.

Is anybody good at maths?

So you think a train would be costed at 4 for 1. It’s £65 by the way and I don’t think non train taxpayers should be funding 4 people to jolly to London. I’m amazed you get can there and back on 3 gallons of fuel, no congestion and free parking

stop talking bollocks

 

[Grendel]

In every other country apart from ours it seems.

Ian it’s £30 to London end of

 

[Ian1779]

Ian it’s £30 to London end of

Great I’ll walk down to the station tomorrow at 7 with my 30 notes #jobdone

 

[skybluetony176]

Great I’ll walk down to the station tomorrow at 7 with my 30 notes #jobdone

Any problems just tell them Grendull sent you, jobs a good un.