I'm not sure what you mean. Unfufilled promises in a party manifesto? What's new. Unless you think Labour will deliver on every promise they've made in this one, because they won't. We all know that.
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I'm not sure what you mean. Unfufilled promises in a party manifesto? What's new. Unless you think Labour will deliver on every promise they've made in this one, because they won't. We all know that.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I'm sure most of them are competent in their specialist areas and pretty intelligent but they come across as incompetent because they're stage managed by PR, party etc. Wear this, say this, don't say this. It's basically being asked to act and unsurprisingly most of them are shit at it.
Ed Miliband has seemed so much more normal and approachable (for a politician) since he didn't have people making him do stuff.
SkyblueBazza
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Surely it is good for the environment? You know...recycling our MPs lol
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Otis
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That's your MP? Hay Ho? Rachel Hayho Flint?
ccfc92
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What's their policies other than the climate out of interest?
I've had a brief read, seems mainly environment and benefits. Not much on the economy, security etc.
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Ensuring the environment is enhanced to support social and economic growth. The more its trashed , the poorer in social terms we are (including health, think air quality, more heat/flood event), the more it costs for food (more imports,less local supply), the more its costs business and infrastructure providers to be resilient. Increased cost of water supply and treatment increases for example.
clint van damme
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you're accusing people of not reading manifestos.
But austerity hadn't turned out how it was portrayed.
13000 deaths due to cuts, (Ok, that's a higher end estimate), but even the DWP puts it in the thousands.
And no, if Labour get in I don't think they'll deliver on everything. And I've stated before, at the end of a party's term in government they should have to produce a report explaing any discrepancies between their manifesto and what they delivered - that would have been a big report for the last couple of PMs
Otis
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They have a fair bit to say on security and no, there is not so much on the economy, but they have promised a massive building programme planned and a lot of regeneration and therefore that should create a lot of jobs.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Sure do like to throw around the insults eh
Brighton Sky Blue
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Deluded how? Predicting a Tory majority? Wanting Corbyn gone? Praying for Dim to come up with his own points?
Its the environment that that supports social/ health and well being, and sustainable, long term economic growth. It always gets treated as an add on or a cost, when in fact the opposite is true.
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ccfc92
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Do you (or anyone) think Corbyn would remain as party leader if Labour actually won the election?
No, I was referring to the fact that many people have conveniently forgot what was an accepted reality at the time that we were facing many years of cuts, as was acknowledge by Labour, the IFS, and just about everyone else. People seem genuinely surprised by this. It is the big deceit in British politics. Notwithstanding mistakes made, and there certainly were, we'd have had many years of austerity regardless of the colour of government, as was seen in many European countries with socialist governments.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Labour aren’t going to win. Would love to be proven wrong but clearly not happening
There are some elements that are questionable, such as the photograph being credited to Ben Lack, who owns a professional photography company based in Leeds. Of course, it could just have been coincidence that he was there. I don't believe the family were complicit though, no suggestion of that.
SkyBlueDom26
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clint van damme
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And austerity has been a failure but I'm not sure any other government would have cut as deep or hard as the Tories.
Interesting that one country that rejected austerity recover quicker than most after the crash. Admittedly there were measures they took that I dont think an EU country could of.
shmmeee
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Yes it does.
Islamophobia | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary
Islamophobia - Wikipedia
I’ve seen it time and time again with close mates as well as strangers. First it’s “Oh I just think halal is barbaric”, then it’s some half arsed Quran quotes out of context that “prove” how Islam is particularly different to literally every other religion. Then some shit about Muhammad being a pedo. Then full on “kick the muzzle fuckers out”.
There are valid complaints about Islam, like there are valid complaints about Israel. And like Israel there’s a lot of people using the former to be racist. And a lot of people who start with the former and end up racist.
SkyblueBazza
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Many of your posts contain thinly veiled insults - so don't try for the moral high ground.
For an example your original 'deflection' response intent was really provocation in the same manner of my insult
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ccfc92
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That wasn't the question. I said if they were to win, would Corbyn still be leader/PM or replaced?
hill83
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Ah, you should have posted this earlier and saved everybody loads of time posting.
I think initially there would have been no difference, but I do agree they cut too deep for too long
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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That's the definition of IslamOphobia. He keeps going on about IslamAphobia
stupot07
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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If Labour won, why would he be replaced? On what grounds could any of his party look to oust him so quickly? Of course he'd be leader/PM - you'd have to be mental as a Labour MP/representative to consider rocking the boat if they actually won (which they won't)
Would you ask if the Conservatives were to win would Johnson still be leader/PM or be replaced? It'd be like Liverpool sacking Klopp the day after they won the title.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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It is all based around the environment, but it's basically joining a lot of dots. More jobs with restructuring industry towards green/renewable energy and more efficient homes etc. Improved environment reducing health problems and easing pressure on the health service.
Their foreign/defence policy is also along similar veins - provide aid so there are jobs/opportunities in their own countries and stop making places uninhabitable through climate change and you reduce the number of people wanting to migrate for economic reasons. Quite long term thinking and doesn't address current needs though.
Quite a bit on right-on equality etc that goes too far IMO and some of the stuff like replacing personal allowance with a Universal Basic Income I'm really not convinced by - greed of companies/landlords etc would just see inflation rise to take the money off you.
Brighton Sky Blue
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This is like debating a more obnoxious Astute
Brighton Sky Blue
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No. But what’s the point of your question?
ccfc92
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I just can't see Corbyn as a PM.
He has good ways of appealing to some people in a election campaign by saying what they want to hear, but just comes across as spineless and not a leader.
It is not possible to dismiss Islam as being no different to other religions, because that just isn't true. One factor is the divine authorship, this is unique, meaning the Quran is considered the literal word of God. Of course, not all Muslims are literalists, but some are, and this plays out in some Islamic states in pretty horrendous ways. It is coincidence that the 13 states where homosexulity is punishable by death are all Islamic states? (there may be one exception to that, I can't recall for sure).
There is nothing wrong with acknowledging that Islam is exceptional, and that understanding is key if we are to coexist peacefully.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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It is a bit of a stretch, but I couldn't see May or Alexander as PM either. Or Trump as US President. But if Labour won he'd be PM for a few years at least - even they're not stupid enough to rock the boat when they've got the keys to No.10.
skybluetony176
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As usual the character that is Johnathan Pie says it how it is
How it is, or how it sees it? He doesn't have a monopoly on being right. I do like him though. Some of his videos are go to when trying to settle an argument.
Like most parties, they have some good ideas. Some of their economic policies are batshit though. The £400 per month hand-out to every UK citizen could not possibly be funded.
skybluetony176
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No. How it is. Boris has been repeatedly trying to make out that he’s only just been made PM so the last nine years are nothing to do with him, when very clearly they are. Clearly an inconvenient truth for anyone dumb enough to back him.