Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (141 Viewers)

[hill83]

Just been reading this thread from the start and it reads like a match thread. Big bold uninformed statements and loads of people getting (unfortunately this time of course) found out.

Edit: And you know what, yeah. Internet points for me. Fuck off.

 

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[shmmeee]

I see Mr Corbyn is ignoring the recommendations of self isolation - great example to set

The measures don’t start until the weekend. If he doesn’t self isolate then I’ll agree with you.

 

[shmmeee]

A few thoughts from me, feel free to dissect and argue:

1) The borders should have been shut immediately when this first broke. I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but I do feel as if all of Europe was slow to react. Was this something to do with not upsetting the Chinese or open border believers? Not having a pop, just curious.

2) I don't believe the figures coming out of China.

3) Russia seemed to have done quite well by sorting their borders early. I don't really believe their figures either though.

4) Something is well off about this. Feels like something is being blatantly hidden from us. Either that or all world leaders are totally weak and stupid.

5) I'm not a panicker but it is making me feel uneasy now. Been told to work from home for a month. Got toilet paper to last me another day or two at best.

6) Experts are contradicting each other all the time which is causing more confusion and encouraging 'arm chair' opinions to become more vocal.

7) This is being used by people with strong political views to blast their opponents.

8) The government's communication has been shite.

9) The rest of Europe's leaders may have shut down now but also reacted slowly.

10) I can't work out if this is gonna blow over and get laughed at, or if we are in for real anarchy. If it is the latter I can see some really bad shit happening. Job lay offs, looting, riots...

This whole thing is a mind fuck.

Agree with a good 80% of that.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Well in more positive news, Sky Sports now reporting that the view is that the leagues should finish

 

[shmmeee]

Because comparing one countries numbers (apples) is different to the sum total of every other countries numbers (oranges).

If you look at one country, China, the graph reflects their journey...a steep incline and then a plateau.

If you look at the rest of the world, that incline is going to start later as the virus spreads (as the graph shows) and then a steep curve upwards as more and more countries confirm cases.

Agree. Best comparison is the total deaths to see where we are on the curve. Everything else is skewed by testing strategy and other things. Big one will be two weeks from now when we see if yesterday’s measures have worked.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

The measures don’t start until the weekend. If he doesn’t self isolate then I’ll agree with you.

Fair enough

 

[christonabike]

Reading all this I’m off for a pint after finishing work at the school.
If I get it I get it. I shall keep away from my old Ma but had to take her to hospital yesterday for an appointment. Dropped a paper in the door for her this morning. Any signs of the illness I shall self isolate. My daughter is still at senior school and er indoors is still at work. If they close the school I’ve been told to go in a do some jobs they have listed for me so no rest for the wicked! Some people can’t afford to be off work and have mortgages to pay and food to put on the table and don’t have savings.

 

[Otis]

12 weeks eh for limited contact.

That kind of messes up my wedding... might be quite a minimal gathering, if anybody at all!!!

Do you think your missus might be able to make it?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Do you think your missus might be able to make it?

You say that flippantly but... It's in Yorkshire, and technically she's in the group with underlying health issues (as am I!).

Currently if I get her, two sets of parents, a vicar, and my best man along it's a triumph!

 

[shmmeee]

Can’t help but feel people really haven’t grasped the seriousness of this. All this talk of “lol I’ll just carry on” when the message from government is very clear that you won’t. The plan is these measures are here until a vaccine is with maybe small breaks if NHS capacity allows. Reminds me of what @Sick Boy was saying the Italians were like two weeks ago.

 

[RegTheDonk]

Further to this we are told our supply chain is recovering as the China suppliers are back to work. Our China factory is back working again.

This is the thing I don't understand. Yes there is concern about people crossing boarders, but I thought freight is basically OK - so ships docking, trucks coming on ferrys/chunnel, was led to believe the supply chain was running fairly normally. Want to try and see a reason for all this panic buying, other than hysteria aided by the press.

 

[mark82]

Can’t help but feel people really haven’t grasped the seriousness of this. All this talk of “lol I’ll just carry on” when the message from government is very clear that you won’t. The plan is these measures are here until a vaccine is with maybe small breaks if NHS capacity allows. Reminds me of what @Sick Boy was saying the Italians were like two weeks ago.

Not everyone can work at home. Businesses and their employees won't survive a lockdown longer than a few weeks. There's a balance that needs to be struck, a vaccine is probably 12 months away yet.

 

[shmmeee]

Not everyone can work at home. Businesses and their employees won't survive a lockdown longer than a few weeks. There's a balance that needs to be struck, a vaccine is probably 12 months away yet.

Lockdown allows people to go to work and we aren’t talking about lockdown. We are talking about the measures implemented yesterday. Read the paper on them it’s very clear what the plan is. Extreme social distancing, school closures, work from home, everything short of lockdown until a vaccine arrives.

You can say “but we can’t” all you like. I’m sure there were people at the outbreak of WW2 who thought the same. Businesses will go under. There will be mass unemployment. The government will need to support everyone through it. This is actually happening.

 

[clint van damme]

A few thoughts from me, feel free to dissect and argue:

1) The borders should have been shut immediately when this first broke. I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but I do feel as if all of Europe was slow to react. Was this something to do with not upsetting the Chinese or open border believers? Not having a pop, just curious.

2) I don't believe the figures coming out of China.

3) Russia seemed to have done quite well by sorting their borders early. I don't really believe their figures either though.

4) Something is well off about this. Feels like something is being blatantly hidden from us. Either that or all world leaders are totally weak and stupid.

5) I'm not a panicker but it is making me feel uneasy now. Been told to work from home for a month. Got toilet paper to last me another day or two at best.

6) Experts are contradicting each other all the time which is causing more confusion and encouraging 'arm chair' opinions to become more vocal.

7) This is being used by people with strong political views to blast their opponents.

8) The government's communication has been shite.

9) The rest of Europe's leaders may have shut down now but also reacted slowly.

10) I can't work out if this is gonna blow over and get laughed at, or if we are in for real anarchy. If it is the latter I can see some really bad shit happening. Job lay offs, looting, riots...

This whole thing is a mind fuck.

snowflake! In fact, snow flake in a tinfoil hat!!

 

[PVA]

Lockdown allows people to go to work and we aren’t talking about lockdown. We are talking about the measures implemented yesterday. Read the paper on them it’s very clear what the plan is. Extreme social distancing, school closures, work from home, everything short of lockdown until a vaccine arrives.

You can say “but we can’t” all you like. I’m sure there were people at the outbreak of WW2 who thought the same. Businesses will go under. There will be mass unemployment. The government will need to support everyone through it. This is actually happening.

Even the Prime Minister's father didn't take yesterday's announcement seriously:


Stanley Johnson, father of the UK prime minister, has indicated he would ignore official advice to tackle the spread of coronavirus and still go to the pub.

His comments came a day after Boris Johnson urged everyone to “avoid pubs, clubs, theatres and other such social venues”.

The Prime Minister said the advice was particularly important for people over 70. But Stanley Johnson, 79, said: “Of course I’ll go to a pub if I need to go to a pub.”

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Tell you what though, I want a drink more than ever now!

 

[BornSlippySkyBlue]

Whatever you do don’t take Iboprofen there’s a school of thought this actually worsens conditions and paracetamol is a safe option

I’m sure you will be fine as will your family

Although the advice for anyone currently prescribed NSAIDS (like ibuprofen, aspirin, diclofenac), is to check with your doctor before stopping taking them. This also applies to anyone on corticosteroids (e.g. prednisolone AND DEFINITELY NOT SUDDENLY STOP), DMARDS (e.g. methotrexate, sulfasalazine) and monoclonal antibodies (e.g. adalimumab, Enbrel). All of which can either weaken the immune system or affect the bodies’ response to inflammation.

Just to clarify before we start dishing out medical advice.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Even the Prime Minister's father didn't take yesterday's announcement seriously:


Stanley Johnson, father of the UK prime minister, has indicated he would ignore official advice to tackle the spread of coronavirus and still go to the pub.

His comments came a day after Boris Johnson urged everyone to “avoid pubs, clubs, theatres and other such social venues”.

The Prime Minister said the advice was particularly important for people over 70. But Stanley Johnson, 79, said: “Of course I’ll go to a pub if I need to go to a pub.”

I see that since the Imperial College study was taken seriously, all mention of ‘herd immunity’ has quietly been dropped. But that study was available 7 weeks ago so essentially we wasted 7 weeks experimenting & messing around on something which could never work. And the BBC are saying “the science has changed”- no it hasn’t, you just ignored the right info and forged ahead with rubbish.

when the dust has settled, that may go down as one of the biggest blunders in decades.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

snowflake! In fact, snow flake in a tinfoil hat!!

Let's go to the city arms before it closes mate.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Lockdown allows people to go to work and we aren’t talking about lockdown. We are talking about the measures implemented yesterday. Read the paper on them it’s very clear what the plan is. Extreme social distancing, school closures, work from home, everything short of lockdown until a vaccine arrives.

You can say “but we can’t” all you like. I’m sure there were people at the outbreak of WW2 who thought the same. Businesses will go under. There will be mass unemployment. The government will need to support everyone through it. This is actually happening.

It just doesn’t seem to be sinking in.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

UK 'may have up to 55,000 coronavirus cases already'

There could be as many as 55,000 coronavirus cases already in the UK, the government's chief scientific adviser has suggested.

Appearing before the health select committee, Sir Patrick Vallance was asked by whether the expected death rate was one fatality for every 1,000 cases, which would mean that there is "potentially 55,000 cases".

Asked if that felt right, Sir Patrick said: "We've tried to get a handle on that in Sage (the scientific advisory group for emergencies) and if you put all the modelling information together, that's a reasonable ballpark way of looking at it.

"It's not more accurate than that."

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I'm gonna host a work from home party for some of my friends, on the premise they aren't mixing with anyone else of course.

Hope I can get some fitties in too. Keys in the bowl will then be a mandatory requirement.

Yes, two days at home and I'm going crazy. Paragraph one is a genuine idea I wanna do though.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

UK 'may have up to 55,000 coronavirus cases already'

There could be as many as 55,000 coronavirus cases already in the UK, the government's chief scientific adviser has suggested.

Appearing before the health select committee, Sir Patrick Vallance was asked by whether the expected death rate was one fatality for every 1,000 cases, which would mean that there is "potentially 55,000 cases".

Asked if that felt right, Sir Patrick said: "We've tried to get a handle on that in Sage (the scientific advisory group for emergencies) and if you put all the modelling information together, that's a reasonable ballpark way of looking at it.

"It's not more accurate than that."

Meanwhile the rest of the world tests tests tests while we continue to do nothing apart from “advise”. Complete & utter shambles.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I'm gonna host a work from home party for some of my friends, on the premise they aren't mixing with anyone else of course.

Hope I can get some fitties in too. Keys in the bowl will then be a mandatory requirement.

Yes, two days at home and I'm going crazy. Paragraph one is a genuine idea I wanna do though.

I am going nuts at home

 

[Brylowes]

So you can drop your pride and joy at the school gate and leave them to congregate with a thousand other potential germ carriers.
You can then go to work in a crowded factory or hospital building site, warehouse, office, call center etc etc.
But at the end of the day ‘don’t you dare go for a pint with your mates or a nice meal with family no!! Oh and wash your hands.

 

[Otis]

You say that flippantly but... It's in Yorkshire, and technically she's in the group with underlying health issues (as am I!).

Currently if I get her, two sets of parents, a vicar, and my best man along it's a triumph!

Skype wedding it is then.

Oh dear.

 

[wingy]

Although the advice for anyone currently prescribed NSAIDS (like ibuprofen, aspirin, diclofenac), is to check with your doctor before stopping taking them. This also applies to anyone on corticosteroids (e.g. prednisolone AND DEFINITELY NOT SUDDENLY STOP), DMARDS (e.g. methotrexate, sulfasalazine) and monoclonal antibodies (e.g. adalimumab, Enbrel). All of which can either weaken the immune system or affect the bodies’ response to inflammation.

Just to clarify before we start dishing out medical advice.

I'm guilty as well
I was reacting to alert yesterday without realising the medical alert was for Ireland
Evidence there apparently that it may be exacerbating symptoms of in cases
Also a French govt guy had tweeted similar advice .however yesterday afternoon PHE put article out that there is no evidence for this.

 

[BornSlippySkyBlue]

I'm guilty as well
I was reacting to alert yesterday without realising the medical alert was for Ireland
Evidence there apparently that it may be exacerbating symptoms of in cases
Also a French govt guy had tweeted similar advice .however yesterday afternoon PHE put article out that there is no evidence for this.

Caution is definitely required before making recommendations about medication. Some people are on NSAIDS long term to enable them to function on a daily basis (me for about 10 years), just stopping is not quite the same for someone with a headache as opposed to an inflammatory condition and you should always follow your doctor’s advice not some bloke on a football forum.

 

[Grendel]

Although the advice for anyone currently prescribed NSAIDS (like ibuprofen, aspirin, diclofenac), is to check with your doctor before stopping taking them. This also applies to anyone on corticosteroids (e.g. prednisolone AND DEFINITELY NOT SUDDENLY STOP), DMARDS (e.g. methotrexate, sulfasalazine) and monoclonal antibodies (e.g. adalimumab, Enbrel). All of which can either weaken the immune system or affect the bodies’ response to inflammation.

Just to clarify before we start dishing out medical advice.

Id stay clear
Health experts criticise NHS advice to take ibuprofen for Covid-19

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

******Important******

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

 

[fellatio_Martinez]

Yes, two days at home and I'm going crazy. Paragraph one is a genuine idea I wanna do though.

I could do this quarantine thing forever I think. I have no problem sitting around the house not having to deal with people. Food, TV, guitar, Xbox, cats, etc.

Lots to do and I didn't even mention wanking.

 

[Winny the Bish]

There's an EFL board meeting tomorrow. It could have big ramifications.

 

[BornSlippySkyBlue]

Id stay clear
Health experts criticise NHS advice to take ibuprofen for Covid-19

I’ve seen the articles. I stand by what I said. If someone is currently being prescribed medication for something they should seek medical advice before discontinuing it. People read stuff like that and make decisions that may not be in their best interest (such as stopping before they even have symptoms, stopping too quickly in the case of some meds etc). It’s just common sense not to give out specific advice on medication unless you are a doctor or a pharmacist. Knowing that there may be an issue is good because it means you can then ask your doctor the specific question “ I read that...should I...”.

NSAIDS are really quite bad for you long-term, Diclofenac being the worst one, and yet I was prescribed it for 18 years continuously despite 6 monthly medication reviews with a consultant. For some patients the advice is different, hence not giving out blanket advice on the internet.

 

[clint van damme]

Let's go to the city arms before it closes mate.

they'll never get that lot our of there, it would need a nuclear war.