Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (195 Viewers)

[djr8369]

The problem many have is they haven't thought out how bad lockdown is. And some say it should have happened before people got the virus.

No visiting family. Especially not the vulnerable ones. Not even able to take your dog for a walk. Not even being able to go for a walk where nobody else will be.

Life stops. I have been doing it for a week now. My job where I work is very important. I am ready to work 7 days a week when others can't get in. There is 1 person a shift doing my job. I live alone in England so know what it is like to have nobody around. I enjoy my own company. But how many weeks/months could I cope with it? Then think how many single people there is in the UK.

Astute, you are right that lockdown will be tough but I don't think people are underestimating it or wanting it, it's just that it might be a price we have to pay to slow this thing down long enough to catch out breath.

 

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[shmmeee]

Again, you are completely missing the point.

I just pointed out why some people would go to the pub after work and that there is probably more risk at the moment when going to the supermarket.

In all seriousness, you’re right about the supermarkets. I’m avoiding them but will have to go soon as I’m running out of things. But equally we do now have a food supply issue that isn’t easily sorted and it seems supermarkets are starting to ration. Not sure what can be done about that.

BUT: that doesn’t excuse you from going to the pub. If you want a cooked meal there’s millions of delivery options these days. It’s just looking for an excuse.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

My son is working on the covid 19 ward & doesn’t have the right protective kit. There are not enough respirators, so the actions of that idiot owner of Wetherspoons by not closing leads to a spike in infection which demand for them outstripping supply. The medics will be making decisions on who lives and dies! Self discipline from all of us is required for the greater good.

Thank your son for me please

 

[tisza]

BRB guys, off to kill a child because school shootings still happen in America so it’s morally OK.

I admire your socially-aware behaviour as you would be allowed automatic weapons as per USA but have chosen not to use them in a school environment and limited yourself to one designated victim. (think this counts as satire but probably approaching the Frankie Boyle levels of decency )

 

[ccfc92]

Firstly, no one is saying panic buying is great.

Secondly, can’t make this any simpler: Food. Is. Essential. Beer. Is. Not.

 

[Nick]

In all seriousness, you’re right about the supermarkets. I’m avoiding them but will have to go soon as I’m running out of things. But equally we do now have a food supply issue that isn’t easily sorted and it seems supermarkets are starting to ration. Not sure what can be done about that.

BUT: that doesn’t excuse you from going to the pub. If you want a cooked meal there’s millions of delivery options these days. It’s just looking for an excuse.

Again, my fridge is completely empty and have to get basics every day from the shop over the road. I don't want to take the piss and buy too much as a lot of old people also go there and get their stuff. I have needed to do a "big shop" for weeks but I hate shopping even when it's normal so there's no chance I am going when it's full of ferrel rats.

Yeah I could quite easily get a takeaway every night, if I wanted to spend 3 or 4 times as much and wait hours for it.

The stores should alter their times for certain people, a time for old people, a time for key workers and people working from home etc and a time for people who have fuck all else to do other than act like cunts for some bog roll. (I know they have OAP hours but it seems most of that time is trying to stop people from getting in).

They should be limiting the number of people in them at any given time so people are spread out and there's enough for everybody.

 

[theferret]

Anyone who is in any doubt should watch the Sky News report from Italy today. We have to do what is necessary. No ifs no buts.

 

[tisza]

Astute, you are right that lockdown will be tough but I don't think people are underestimating it or wanting it, it's just that it might be a price we have to pay to slow this thing down long enough to catch out breath.

It's not just the lockdown is tough but how strict the measures need to be to enforce it.
In France we read here they had to put the fines up as not enough people were put off by the original levels set.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Anyone who is in any doubt should watch the Sky News report from Italy today. We have to do what is necessary. No ifs no buts.

Link

 

[djr8369]

It isn't me merging it.

I fully understand that people NEED to eat, people don't NEED to queue up for hours every day in their hundreds though do they? Acting like packs of wolves when the doors open.

I am just pointing out that at the minute, because of the behaviour that is allowed to go on in supermarkets there is more chance of getting infected in those. Yet if somebody goes to a pub they are murdering their granny.

At the moment, there's a lot of focus on closing pubs and people who go in them. Somebody unneedingly queuing up with their hands on a trolley for an hour with hundreds of others is fine though.

It's not that its fine people a queuing with others it's just the reality with the situation. Fair enough while it's only a recommendation people are going to keep going to the pub. Just as while it's recommended not to panic buy people will.

The governments view is while they only recommend not going they know it will have a limited effect and presumably they apply a factor for this in the modelling. I'm not going to demonise anyone for going to the pub but those that do so must surely accept that while they do so you slightly increase the risk and rate of infection.

There's an argument that risk is a trade of to the economic benefits of spending money and it is important we try and help businesses and keep the economy going but there are other ways of doing this, for example a lot of local businesses have started doing take out services they didn't previously offer.

 

[ccfc92]

It's not just the lockdown is tough but how strict the measures need to be to enforce it.
In France we read here they had to put the fines up as not enough people were put off by the original levels set.

I reckon you should all riot more...

 

[shmmeee]

Again, my fridge is completely empty and have to get basics every day from the shop over the road. I don't want to take the piss and buy too much as a lot of old people also go there and get their stuff. I have needed to do a "big shop" for weeks but I hate shopping even when it's normal so there's no chance I am going when it's full of ferrel rats.

Yeah I could quite easily get a takeaway every night, if I wanted to spend 3 or 4 times as much and wait hours for it.

The stores should alter their times for certain people, a time for old people, a time for key workers and people working from home etc and a time for people who have fuck all else to do other than act like cunts for some bog roll. (I know they have OAP hours but it seems most of that time is trying to stop people from getting in).

They should be limiting the number of people in them at any given time so people are spread out and there's enough for everybody.

I feel you man. My corner shop is the M&S BP which isn’t exactly cheap but it’s where I’ve been living off for a couple of days. My backup plan of Amazon Prime Now has run out of stuff, I’m dreading heading out tomorrow to do a proper shop, not even sure where I should go.

Are takeaways that much more than pub food though? I barely eat in pubs so genuinely don’t know. I’d have assumed restaurant prices.

 

[theferret]

Link

Coronavirus: Italy's hardest-hit city wants you to see how COVID-19 is affecting its hospitals

 

[Grendel]

Tremendous whataboutery.

I've said people shouldn't go to pubs, not supermarkets.

So you are not concerned really about viral spread then

 

[Astute]

Astute, you are right that lockdown will be tough but I don't think people are underestimating it or wanting it, it's just that it might be a price we have to pay to slow this thing down long enough to catch out breath.

Those who say we should have done it before people got the virus certainly are. It could take 18 months to have a vaccine.

Many think they know how bad lockdown is. But the reality is a different matter.

Welcome to your 4 walls. It is all you will see for the vast majority of the time. One person allowed to go shopping. Trying to keep kids happy. Telling your dog he can't go for a walk.

My wife and kids are lucky. They have a garden that would have a housing estate on it if it was in the UK. Many people don't even have a garden in the UK. So fresh air not allowed. Can you imagine that for 3 months or more?

And as I said what about those who live alone? No visitors allowed. Not allowed to visit anyone. You might have worked out your own situation. But everyone is different.

 

[BornSlippySkyBlue]

Anyone who is in any doubt should watch the Sky News report from Italy today. We have to do what is necessary. No ifs no buts.

But, it’s just the flu with no vaccine...

 

[Nick]

I feel you man. My corner shop is the M&S BP which isn’t exactly cheap but it’s where I’ve been living off for a couple of days. My backup plan of Amazon Prime Now has run out of stuff, I’m dreading heading out tomorrow to do a proper shop, not even sure where I should go.

Are takeaways that much more than pub food though? I barely eat in pubs so genuinely don’t know. I’d have assumed restaurant prices.

Yeah I looked on Amazon but fuck all on there. Even had a look on Approved Foods to see if there was a way but nothing.

Generally if I take my daughter to the pub for tea it's a lot cheaper and easier than a takeaway.

(Just to confirm, I haven't for weeks before anybody tries to make out I am stamping on my nan)

 

[PVA]

So you are not concerned really about viral spread then

FFS why do you lot find this so difficult to comprehend. Not all activities are the same or as important.

Going to work or going to buy food are important.

Going to the pub is not.

Is that so hard to understand?

 

[Nick]

So you are not concerned really about viral spread then

It seems it's not about the spread as whenever it's mentioned the spread will be much worse in supermarkets the reply is "PEOPLE NEED TO EAT".

 

[Grendel]

FFS why do you lot find this so difficult to comprehend. Not all activities are the same or as important.


Going to work or going to buy food are important.

Going to the pub is not.

Is that so hard to understand?

I made an example of someone working in a supermarket whose clearly at much much higher risk. Surely it’s only a job they should stop if they are in contact with older people they should stop

 

[Astute]

It's not just the lockdown is tough but how strict the measures need to be to enforce it.
In France we read here they had to put the fines up as not enough people were put off by the original levels set.

As I said earlier they have gone from €39 to €135 for the first offence. Then well over €300 for the second offence. Some people are cracking already. Not been a week yet. All some want to do is visit family.

 

[Nick]

FFS why do you lot find this so difficult to comprehend. Not all activities are the same or as important.

Going to work or going to buy food are important.

Going to the pub is not.

Is that so hard to understand?

Buying food has always been important hasn't it?

You are the one acting like somebody going in a pub is a killer yet if somebody stands amongst a big crowd in a supermarket touching a dirty trolley, picking things up others have touched or coughed on and queuing for hours it's fine.

Yes, buying food is very important and people need to eat else they will die. They DONT need to queue for hours, they DONT need to buy more than they need, they DONT need to drive around multiple supermarkets every day looking for things like toilet roll.

There aren't suddenly millions more people in the country or millions more mouths to feed and the supermarkets have managed for years.

Nothing said about that but if you go to a pub you might as well be up there with Harold Shipman.

 

[PVA]

I made an example of someone working in a supermarket whose clearly at much much higher risk. Surely it’s only a job they should stop if they are in contact with older people they should stop

You're either being deliberately obtuse or you're just incredibly thick.

 

[Grendel]

You're either being deliberately obtuse or you're just incredibly thick.

No you just come across as a selfish Tory c**t to be honest

 

[djr8369]

I made an example of someone working in a supermarket whose clearly at much much higher risk. Surely it’s only a job they should stop if they are in contact with older people they should stop

You know what the answer is here. It's much easier for the government to tell everyone not to do certain things than try and cater for individual circumstances. All about lowering the risk, but as I said, you know that.

 

[shmmeee]

I made an example of someone working in a supermarket whose clearly at much much higher risk. Surely it’s only a job they should stop if they are in contact with older people they should stop

The aim here is to slow the spread as much as possible to allow the NHS to cope without destroying the economy. That means stopping everything we can. Clearly food supply is not one of those things. There will be individual edge cases of course but that doesn’t undermine the general effort. Your desperate attempts to find a gotcha are getting silly.

 

[Nick]

I think supermarkets should just be putting boxes together to be honest. You turn up in your car and say how many people you have to feed (and prove it), you get a box with meat, veg and everything in and you pay and then you drive off.

If you are vegan you get a different box.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

You're either being deliberately obtuse or you're just incredibly thick.

I think they are showing up the governments mix and match policy making no sense whatsoever.

 

[PVA]

No you just come across as a selfish Tory c**t to be honest

What? Have you even read any of my posts over the last few days? It's quite clear I am not a tory.

I'm sorry that you are unable to read graphs and are unable to work out the difference between going to the supermarket or the pub.

 

[Nick]

The aim here is to slow the spread as much as possible to allow the NHS to cope without destroying the economy. That means stopping everything we can. Clearly food supply is not one of those things. Your desperate attempts to find a gotcha are getting silly.

Then again they could just get a takeaway rather than queue up around hundreds of others

 

[Ring Of Steel]

You know what the answer is here. It's much easier for the government to tell everyone not to do certain things than try and cater for individual circumstances. All about lowering the risk, but as I said, you know that.

Of course he does,he's just trying to amuse himself by attempting to ensnare someone into a theoretical argument about stuff he doesn't believe himself anyway, he gets off on that. I'd just ignore like half the forum now seems to.

 

[hill83]

No you just come across as a selfish Tory c**t to be honest

Surely it’s only a job they should stop if they are in contact with older people they should stop

Are you back on the crack or am I missing some incredibly convoluted wind up. This thread is exhausting.

 

[BornSlippySkyBlue]

Again, you are completely missing the point.

I just pointed out why some people would go to the pub after work and that there is probably more risk at the moment when going to the supermarket.

I understand the words you are saying, but they are different points. You can’t ask people not to buy food, you can ask people not to do unnecessary things. They are different, it isn’t that we are all missing your point - it is that your point makes no difference to the rights and wrongs of continuing normal social practices in a pandemic. Such as going to the pub vs buying food.

 

[Astute]

You're either being deliberately obtuse or you're just incredibly thick.

Or being realistic.

Things need to be put into place to keep people apart. One of the safest places seems to be in a pub because most are empty. The most dangerous place in the UK is in shops. How about the workers? You don't seem to think it is a problem. But it is.

 

[Nick]

I think they are showing up the governments mix and match policy making no sense whatsoever.

Exactly.

At the minute if you walk into a pub you are a murderer and there's disgust because you would spread the germs. Queue up for hours in a shop surrounded by loads of others and you "just want to eat."

I just want to eat, it's pie and chips from the freezer tonight if they are still in date. Been in there ages.