Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (51 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

Just been out for my hour a day excersise.
Appeared very quiet around Earlsdon though the co-op was quite packed.

 

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[djr8369]

You can also hand write them.

What a lot of people are doing is getting a copy and filling them out in pencil. It is what the wife is doing. Her neighbour gave her a few copies when they first brought them out. You have to put the date and tick the box on what you are doing. So then they can work out where you live to where you say you are going/have been. You get a fine if they don't believe you.

It should be done via an app using national insurance number. Most people have smart phone, you do your online application, show it to the police if they stop you and they can check on how many times you've been out this week and why.

As most services have been stripped back over the last several years I expect we're going to struggle to implement all but the most essential systems though.

 

[Magwitch]

On a side note anyone seen the pictures of tubes and London transport?

Fucking cretins. Can see the army on the streets there soon

It’s crazy but the number of trains running have been reduced so it’s obvious carriages will become more crowded, who makes these decisions ?

 

[BackRoomRummermill]

He always was a twat when he first moved all production to Singapore

my mistake did not know it was singers , but you know what I mean

 

[clint van damme]

Or how did the wizard of oz know about David O'Day in the song "if I only had a brain" in the late thirties?

I know you're on lockdown but your obsession with him is a bit weird.

 

[BackRoomRummermill]

It’s crazy but the number of trains running have been reduced so it’s obvious carriages will become more crowded, who makes these decisions ?

I know so daft

 

[Astute]

It should be done via an app using national insurance number. Most people have smart phone, you do your online application, show it to the police if they stop you and they can check on how many times you've been out this week and why.

As most services have been stripped back over the last several years I expect we're going to struggle to implement all but the most essential systems though.

The paper one is mainly working in France. Very easy to do and now the fines are higher most people do as they are told. And the wife said yesterday that it is now prison for persistent offenders. I suppose that could be for those who can afford to pay the latest highest fine of €1,000.

 

[djr8369]

On a side note anyone seen the pictures of tubes and London transport?

Fucking cretins. Can see the army on the streets there soon

The problem is a lot of people are involved in the supply chains of essential industries or they just work for businesses that are making them come in anyway.

 

[BackRoomRummermill]

I know you're on lockdown but your obsession with him is a bit weird.

maybe one in the same lol only kidding

 

[David O'Day]

You would have to ask as I can't see a word that idiot says

Blocked by mystic meg, no surrender

If you want to make it al though mate I have 1 trip a day free for you.

 

[djr8369]

The paper one is mainly working in France. Very easy to do and now the fines are higher most people do as they are told. And the wife said yesterday that it is now prison for persistent offenders. I suppose that could be for those who can afford to pay the latest highest fine of €1,000.

Sorry I thought by saying people were using pencil to fill it out you were implying that it isn't working? Older people without smart phones would need some kind of paper solution but I imagine they are less likely to forge it anyway.

 

[BackRoomRummermill]

Stay safe stay positive , happy for the piss to be ripped out of me don’t mind at all .

 

[ccfc92]

On a side note anyone seen the pictures of tubes and London transport?

Fucking cretins. Can see the army on the streets there soon

I'm in Bournemouth, but am being "forced" to come in to work.

Sorting everything now, so hopefully this is the last day, then I can isolate at home for a few weeks to reduce my movements in public.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Just been out for my hour a day excersise.
Appeared very quiet around Earlsdon though the co-op was quite packed.

I used to live round that way, my first ever house back years ago... or more accurately Spon End, but they made out it was actually Earlsdon to bump up the prices.. The Popping Cork was the local off license and they had big cans of "Lech" Polish beer which was great for the train to away games

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I'm in Bournemouth, but am being "forced" to come in to work.

Sorting everything now, so hopefully this is the last day, then I can isolate at home for a few weeks to reduce my movements in public.

I can't imagine too many better places to ride this out, love the place. Spent many, many happy holiday as a kid in & around Alum Chine

 

[Astute]

The problem is a lot of people are involved in the supply chains of essential industries or they just work for businesses that are making them come in anyway.

That is why it needs to be made law. Look at how publicly Sports Direct tried to stay open when they knew shops had to close that didn't sell essentials.

There needs to be a list that states the only type of companies that can remain open.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I have an early birthday present- a voluntary 30% pay cut for a few months :woot: what a time to be alive...

 

[cc84cov]

As mentioned the facts are back in January where this virus had escaped China the uk was more concerned with brexit rather than locking down boarders...

Boris’s slow response has cost lives.

 

[Astute]

Sorry I thought by saying people were using pencil to fill it out you were implying that it isn't working? Older people without smart phones would need some kind of paper solution but I imagine they are less likely to forge it anyway.

Yes it is mainly working. Hardly any vehicles go past our house now. As long as it is filled out before you get stopped and you are on the direct route you are OK.

So what are would you be OK to have paper?

Very good idea but might create difficulties. At least anyone can get their hands on the paper version.

Don't know how well it is working in the big cities though.

 

[Astute]

I have an early birthday present- a voluntary 30% pay cut for a few months :woot: what a time to be alive...

Thought 80% was covered by the government.

 

[shmmeee]

There's definitely questions that need to be answered when this is all over. Hopefully it won't just be a shrug of the shoulders and 'nothing we could do'.

Seen this floating around on twitter today:
https://chpi.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/CHPI-report-GettingBehindCurve-Dec-2013.pdf
It's a report from the Centre for Health and Public Interest assessing how the changes to the NHS made as part of the 2012 Health and Social Care Act impact its ability to respond to a pandemic. Doesn't make good reading for the government.

Don't think 'we couldn't have predicted this' or anything like that is going to be enough.

They’ll do what they’ve always done: avoid media and parliamentary scrutiny and play to their base of morons who are eating it up and now seem to believe government should never be held accountable as the mean people won’t do as they’re told. Their one skill is spinning a bullshit narrative their base can cling onto like a life raft in a sea of facts, you bet your life that’s what they’ll be doing.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Thought 80% was covered by the government.

I don't know whats happening here on that score, they just asked to see if people would/could- its shit and will cut things to the bone, but what else can you do- they're good to employees and it is what it is, I'd rather do this than see the place go under.

 

[Astute]

As mentioned the facts are back in January where this virus had escaped China the uk was more concerned with brexit rather than locking down boarders...

Boris’s slow response has cost lives.

But what would it be like if we had locked down weeks ago? Hardly any cases so when we finally get let out again we would have been in the same position.

It looks like lockdown until the cases vastly reduce. Remove lockdown. When it looks like hospitals are getting full again time to lockdown again.

Otherwise we need a vaccine that we don't have.

 

[cc84cov]

But what would it be like if we had locked down weeks ago? Hardly any cases so when we finally get let out again we would have been in the same position.

It looks like lockdown until the cases vastly reduce. Remove lockdown. When it looks like hospitals are getting full again time to lockdown again.

Otherwise we need a vaccine that we don't have.

Until a vaccine I don’t see how thing get anywhere near back to normal then they need to hope people will accept a vaccine I’m certain huge numbers won’t

 

[Astute]

I don't know whats happening here on that score, they just asked to see if people would/could- its shit and will cut things to the bone, but what else can you do- they're good to employees and it is what it is, I'd rather do this than see the place go under.

Not looked into it but thought that if the government paid the majority of the wage the employer could pay the rest.

But yes keeping jobs is top importance.

 

[David O'Day]

Until a vaccine I don’t see how thing get anywhere near back to normal then they need to hope people will accept a vaccine I’m certain huge numbers won’t

All they can do us remove the measures then put them back in place when needed

 

[Astute]

Until a vaccine I don’t see how thing get anywhere near back to normal then they need to hope people will accept a vaccine I’m certain huge numbers won’t

So should we just have gone into lockdown before hardly anyone got the virus?

Most people are OK when they get it.

It is hard to decide. We can't stay in lockdown indefinitely. But we still can't play God with people's lives.

 

[shmmeee]

Until a vaccine I don’t see how thing get anywhere near back to normal then they need to hope people will accept a vaccine I’m certain huge numbers won’t

Then huge numbers can stay in lockdown the idiots.

An antibody test would allow some people out of lockdown if they’re immune so I guess that’s the first step before a vaccine.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

So should we just have gone into lockdown before hardly anyone got the virus?

Most people are OK when they get it.

It is hard to decide. We can't stay in lockdown indefinitely. But we still can't play God with people's lives.

What I am seeing all day is people calling customers looking for payments, and everyone deciding who to pay and who to defer. Companies are now facing facts that this is going to put them under.

But- call me a lefty/ hippy etc if you like- lives have to be more important than the economy. What Trump is talking about doing has got to be bordering on 'government manslaughter'

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Then huge numbers can stay in lockdown the idiots.

An antibody test would allow some people out of lockdown if they’re immune so I guess that’s the first step before a vaccine.

Yes- surely the test which shows if you've already had it is going to be massively important? I saw this morning that over here they bought hundreds of thousands of tests and are taking over the docks & other places to set up testing stations, so that some people who had it can be released from the lockdown. It will be chaos, but its something

 

[djr8369]

That is why it needs to be made law. Look at how publicly Sports Direct tried to stay open when they knew shops had to close that didn't sell essentials.

There needs to be a list that states the only type of companies that can remain open.

Yes I agree with you. I'm at work still at work, not needed but the business sees some departments as business critical so assume they are afraid of going under.

 

[shmmeee]

So should we just have gone into lockdown before hardly anyone got the virus?

Most people are OK when they get it.

It is hard to decide. We can't stay in lockdown indefinitely. But we still can't play God with people's lives.

It was clear it was going to be needed. Far more could’ve been done to prepare people to work from home, get food deliveries up and running, etc. France and Spain both went into lockdown earlier in their outbreak as well. Well only know when we see how the NHS copes over the next month. If the aim is to lockdown to stop being over capacity then we will know if we did it too late.

 

[Philosoraptor]

What I am seeing all day is people calling customers looking for payments, and everyone deciding who to pay and who to defer. Companies are now facing facts that this is going to put them under.

But- call me a lefty/ hippy etc if you like- lives have to be more important than the economy. What Trump is talking about doing has got to be bordering on 'government manslaughter'

I would go further and call it Government murder.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Let's not beat about the bush here.

 

[shmmeee]

What I am seeing all day is people calling customers looking for payments, and everyone deciding who to pay and who to defer. Companies are now facing facts that this is going to put them under.

But- call me a lefty/ hippy etc if you like- lives have to be more important than the economy. What Trump is talking about doing has got to be bordering on 'government manslaughter'

We trade the economy for lives all the time. Health and safety, working time, child Labour, driver limits, all cost business money with the aim of saving lives. It’s not like this is the first time we’ve done it. It’s standard government practice.