Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (16 Viewers)

[Grendel]

False outrage as usual. I get the feeling you're actually enjoying this.

Sadly that seems to be the case

 

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[The coventrian]

Some have said on social media it’s the boomer disease and is Justice for Europe

Doesnt surprise me in the slightest. The likes of ros dont really care. It's all false anger. If we were actually out of this mess in a few weeks then I'm sure the likes of him will be gutted. It's just another thing to put the boot into the government. Its Brexit all over again. They want it fail. They dont want a successful britain. Weirdo hippy types that have never grown up.

 

[David O'Day]

The most recent poll had the Tories st the most popular they have ever been at 55% of the electorate

All incumbent governments poll well in times outside national crisis, to get a truer picture you gave to wait for the dust to settle and then actions to be assessed in hindsight. We've 4 and a half years to go as well.

 

[Sick Boy]

It’s a bit rich though to say if one life was lost through incompetence then governments should fall - then every European country will have new governments will they not?

I didn't actually say that though, did I?
The government has had weeks to see situations unfold in other European countries and failed to take proper action and seems to have gone from blunder to blunder.

 

[skybluetony176]

The dirty Chinese? They fucking started this shit and now thousands are dieing because of them. What's immigration got to do with it? Stock response from the loony left.

Are we dirty because of Salmonella? Dozens of deaths a year in the U.K., typically over 100. The rate in the dirty US is higher. How about TB? Wait, we keep blaming the dirty badgers for that one. Foot and Mouth? Surely you remember the funeral pyres of cow mountains. Could easily happen here. Again. And cause a worldwide pandemic.

 

[The coventrian]

I didn't actually say that though, did I?
The government has had weeks to see situations unfold in other European countries and failed to take proper action and seems to have gone from blunder to blunder.

Well its unknown territory ffs. Cut them slack. Did you expect them to magic up a Haynes manual of how to deal with coronavirus?

 

[Grendel]

All incumbent governments poll well in times outside national crisis, to get a truer picture you gave to wait for the dust to settle and then actions to be assessed in hindsight. We've 4 and a half years to go as well.

yes I agree with that to an extent

 

[The coventrian]

Are we dirty because of Salmonella? Dozens of deaths a year in the U.K., typically over 100. The rate in the dirty US is higher. How about TB? Wait, we keep blaming the dirty badgers for that one. Foot and Mouth? Surely you remember the funeral pyres of cow mountains. Could easily happen here. Again. And cause a worldwide pandemic.

Dont look here look there. Deflect deflect.

 

[Warwickhunt]

I didn't actually say that though, did I?
The government has had weeks to see situations unfold in other European countries and failed to take proper action and seems to have gone from blunder to blunder.

Time will tell how badly wrong the so called Scientific & Medical experts have got it wrong! Boris and the Cabinet ministers can only be guided by their decisions as they are the experts the Mnisters are just mouth pieces in all of this! The very same people would have been telling Corbyn the same as well or are we saying they know better?

 

[covmark]

Are we dirty because of Salmonella? Dozens of deaths a year in the U.K., typically over 100. The rate in the dirty US is higher. How about TB? Wait, we keep blaming the dirty badgers for that one. Foot and Mouth? Surely you remember the funeral pyres of cow mountains. Could easily happen here. Again. And cause a worldwide pandemic.

Why do have to keep repeating yourself? It's all meat eaters fault right?

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[Grendel]

I didn't actually say that though, did I?
The government has had weeks to see situations unfold in other European countries and failed to take proper action and seems to have gone from blunder to blunder.

Italy has failed badly in PPE supply for medical staff. It’s utterly ridiculous to say the uk has gone from blunder to blunder when other countries had the infection at exactly the same time and are not coping any better with it

 

[CCFCSteve]

So you are saying that ignoring and then lying about equipment procurement schemes, failing to communicate clearly, herd immunity, failing to equip health workers, failing to increase test levels and lying about it etc are somehow due to the air quality in the UK? Righto, glad thats cleared up. I was beginning to think they were just incompetent.

But worth also acknowledging some of the positives...

The initial trace and track, 111, self isolate strategy that brought us time in comparison with many EU nations
Continued strategy for all to self isolate rather than immediately go to GP/hospital may well also prove to be a decent move (and mitigate the testing delays/fuck up a bit)
Massive government support package to support business and keep people in work - Yes, there’s teething problems but as a package it’s as far reaching (if not more so) as any.
A strategy to shield the elderly/high risk inc setting up system to deliver food parcels which is already up and running for some.
Setting up a temporary 4000 bed hospital within two weeks (not all beds currently operational but well on the way). Two further being prepared.

Italy has a fantastic health service and it’s been overwhelmed by this pandemic, so will many others. This will not be easy for anyone and I doubt anyone’s responses (other than possibly Germany, SK and one or two others - still all to be determined) will hold up under scrutiny. The world was underprepared for this

Just to clarify I’m not for a minute saying the governments response has been perfect and there are a number of issues that need to be reviewed post outbreak (and could still come back to bite them/us) but try to remember some of the positive stuff as well.

Your resident rampant Tory poster

 

[The coventrian]

Italy has failed badly in PPE supply for medical staff. It’s utterly ridiculous to say the uk has gone from blunder to blunder when other countries had the infection at exactly the same time and are not coping any better with it

Anything for a good tory bash. They were late emptying my blue bin today. Boris you wanker.

 

[Colin Steins Smile]

This pandemic was foreseen on 2015, when the government were presented with a detailed report outlining the steps they should take to prepare for that eventuality. In 2015, Jeremy Hunt [Health Secretary at the time] decided it would be too expensive, so shelved any preparations. In 2020, the Jeremy Hunt [ex-Health Secretary] has the audacity to criticise the government for the lack of preparation, whilst posturing for the media.
Some simple statistics under the last Labour government the NHS received an average funding settlement of 6% above inflation year on year.
Since, 2010 under the various Conservative governments the NHS has received funding settlements of 1% above inflation.
These are facts - not political spin citing specific amounts of money and not taking into account inflation

 

[Sick Boy]

Well its unknown territory ffs. Cut them slack. Did you expect them to magic up a Haynes manual of how to deal with coronavirus?

No but I would have expected them to actually take learnings from other European countries on their doorstep rather than go ahead with a strategy that drew worldwide criticism.
A pandemic is not unknown territory for a government either, proper resources and planning should be in place in preparation for one.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

So you are saying that ignoring and then lying about equipment procurement schemes, failing to communicate clearly, herd immunity, failing to equip health workers, failing to increase test levels and lying about it etc are somehow due to the air quality in the UK? Righto, glad thats cleared up. I was beginning to think they were just incompetent.

The comparisons will be done on the stuff like statistics on cases/deaths/rate of infections etc. There are many reasons why those will differ. Some will be beyond the control of a government, like those I pointed out. Some of them will have been within control of government like failure to be prepared, equipped, test and communicate and the seeming mistruths regarding procurement. Those are questions/criticisms that will need to be raised in the coming weeks/months and I'm sure the new leader of the opposition will be doing just that..

But the point is direct comparison with other nations at the end will also be affected by differences that extend beyond control of government and so you can't say "what x country did was best" as it may not have worked elsewhere.

And why wouldn't pollutants in the air resulting in poor respiratory condition of the general population be relevant in an analysis of a fatal respiratory disease? But even that can be questioned as a governmental decision (but would be a consideration over decades and governments of all persuasions) as to our long term strategy and lead to changes in how we go forward.

 

[The coventrian]

No but I would have expected them to actually take learnings from other European countries on their doorstep rather than go ahead with a strategy that drew worldwide criticism.
A pandemic is not unknown territory for a government either, proper resources and planning should be in place in preparation for one.

I agree actually.

 

[clint van damme]

Well its unknown territory ffs. Cut them slack. Did you expect them to magic up a Haynes manual of how to deal with coronavirus?

Why have we (6th biggest economy in the world), got a 5th of the ICU beds that Germany (4th biggest economy in world) got.
That hasn't just happened since corona but you keep doffing you cap.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Be really good to know how many critical cases there are in the uk

 

[Sick Boy]

Italy has failed badly in PPE supply for medical staff. It’s utterly ridiculous to say the uk has gone from blunder to blunder when other countries had the infection at exactly the same time and are not coping any better with it

The UK has gone from blunder to blunder and the herd immunity strategy that you were advocating has been widely criticised.

 

[Sick Boy]

Why have we (6th biggest economy in the world), got a 5th of the ICU beds that Germany (4th biggest economy in world) got.
That hasn't just happened since corona but you keep doffing you cap.

It is has half of the ICU beds compared to here, which says it all.

 

[Grendel]

Why do have to keep repeating yourself? It's all meat eaters fault right?

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Tony when I last checked wasn’t a vegan so is a hypocrite. The reality is that eating bat meat or animals in unsanitary conditions which have had an infection from bats are far more likely to spread a pandemic virus. The irony is if China just said consumption is illegal it would stop tomorrow. He’s the only poster I have on ignore most of the time. He’s a bore. The only person on a brexit thread who ever voted UKIP and argued the opposite. Most of his views are copies of articles he then pretends are his own. Just don’t waste your time.

 

[covmark]

No but I would have expected them to actually take learnings from other European countries on their doorstep rather than go ahead with a strategy that drew worldwide criticism.
A pandemic is not unknown territory for a government either, proper resources and planning should be in place in preparation for one.

That's a good point. If Pandemics are not unknown territories then the Italian and Spanish governments are just as incompetent as the British government.
Not as much bashing of them, from you though mate.

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[skybluetony176]

Dont look here look there. Deflect deflect.

You’re the one not answering the question. The irony.

 

[Grendel]

When the UK has gone from blunder to blunder and the herd immunity strategy that you were advocating has been widely criticised.

Again we will see in years to come what strategy was the best.

 

[fernandopartridge]

You'd have to be utterly simple to think that any government could contain anybody as disingenuous than this sniffed up c**t :

 

[skybluetony176]

Why do have to keep repeating yourself? It's all meat eaters fault right?

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That’s how zoonotic viruses are usually transmitted. I can’t change the facts.

 

[covmark]

You'd have to be utterly simple to think that any government could contain anybody as disingenuous than this sniffed up c**t :

Nobody can disagree with that.

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[Grendel]

You'd have to be utterly simple to think that any government could contain anybody as disingenuous than this sniffed up c**t :

He’s the modern day John Gummer. He will be feeding his daughter a corona burger soon

 

[fernandopartridge]

Again we will see in years to come what strategy was the best.

Tbf the country by country comparison of deaths and infections doesn't mean that much unless all of the specific factors are weighted and everybody uses the same testing protocols.

As I've said before we're an island nation outside of Schengen, we should be doing better by virtue of that alone that mainland European countries.

 

[skybluetony176]

Anything for a good tory bash. They were late emptying my blue bin today. Boris you wanker.

Don’t you live in Coventry? Isn’t CCC labour controlled? Not sure how you can blame Boris for that.

 

[clint van damme]

You'd have to be utterly simple to think that any government could contain anybody as disingenuous than this sniffed up c**t :

You've just hilighted a Tory minister telling a bare faced lie to the British public in a time of crisis - you must hate the UK

 

[shmmeee]

I was under the impression austerity was done to the mess the labour party left the country in. We have to pay are way though surely. Hopefully after this shite has ended the Tories have got the kick up the arse they need to fund it properly.

Im sure you had that impression but it’s absolute bollocks. Maybe don’t believe everything the Tory press sell you.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Why have we (6th biggest economy in the world), got a 5th of the ICU beds that Germany (4th biggest economy in world) got.
That hasn't just happened since corona but you keep doffing you cap.

I think you also need to qualify it in terms of ICU beds/ventilators per head of population rather than raw numbers (but even then we still have a massive shortage in comparison)

 

[Grendel]

Tbf the country by country comparison of deaths and infections doesn't mean that much unless all of the specific factors are weighted and everybody uses the same testing protocols.

As I've said before we're an island nation outside of Schengen, we should be doing better by virtue of that alone that mainland European countries.

I agree we should have blocked entries from mainland Europe much earlier but if we say banned reciprocal travel between us and Italy in January I’d suspect the abuse and accusations of xenophobia would have been rampant