Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (58 Viewers)

[chiefdave]

One industry is going well

March was busiest shopping month for UK supermarkets on record up 20.6 per cent | Daily Mail Online

I work in IT. We've just had our busiest month ever by a long way, roughly 30% up on our previous busiest month.

 

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[Sick Boy]

Jesus Andrew Neil criticising the Tory government, it must be April 1st.

Even the Mail is getting stuck into them now.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Yeah but imagine Abbott in charge, she carnt even do basic maffs

 

[clint van damme]

Even the Mail is getting stuck into them now.

The daily mail and Piers Morgan showing the 'left wing' BBC how it's done.

 

[Colin Steins Smile]

Yeah but imagine Abbott in charge, she carnt even do basic maffs

I think it's a case of think of a number ....any number....just make things up.
Michael Gove did that yesterday regarding the chemicals for testing. The chemical industry reported that they have the chemicals, but the government hadn't ordered them.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The daily mail and Piers Morgan showing the 'left wing' BBC how it's done.

BBC National News is full of cherry picked Tories now, they are servants to the government that's all.

 

[skybluetony176]

Jesus Andrew Neil criticising the Tory government, it must be April 1st.

Clearly a dribbling lefty europhile who hates the U.K. and would rather live in Italy.

 

[clint van damme]

BBC National News is full of cherry picked Tories now, they are servants to the government that's all.

Yep. Bluster in the media about withdrawing the licence fee, let it be known behind the scenes that won't happen if they are more compliant with the government and bingo, you've got the next best thing to state run media.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Don’t believe the nonsense about flights from USA being controlled, reduced, vetted

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yep. Bluster in the media about withdrawing the licence fee, let it be known behind the scenes that won't happen if they are more compliant with the government and bingo, you've got the next best thing to state run media.

Manufactured Consent 101

 

[clint van damme]

Manufactured Consent 101

They've got a phrase for everything. Could have saved me a lot of typing if I'd known that!

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Don’t believe the nonsense about flights from USA being controlled, reduced, vetted

That really fucking pisses me off lol there shouldn't be allowed to be any in unless its the transportation of goods....

 

[MalcSB]

Main issue with the NHS (apart from the poor funding) is the Trusts being set up individually from an admin point of view
Not using joint purchasing power, suppliers , Payroll, Finance etc

Looking on the web there are companies trying to bring that together eg
The Edge4Health ™ | The Edge

but we have all heard of stories of some trusts paying a fortune for loo rolls or light bulbs etc
This needs to be sorted, so the NHS can focus on what they are the best at

A centralised procurement process and organisation was set up a few years ago which all Trusts pay for.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

That really fucking pisses me off lol there shouldn't be allowed to be any in unless its the transportation of goods....

Well unfortunately they’re likely to be transporting in some viral goods alright. Just another blunder to add to the list.

 

[Magwitch]

Let’s not blaming the Chinese mantra now gathering pace mask the pathetic initial handling of this virus by our Government, the top leaders of the world such as Trump, Maccron, Merkel and sadly our own will be all looking for somewhere, anywhere to pass the buck.

 

[chiefdave]

The EU is some intangible *foreign* thing. The NHS is what just saved your nans life. The two aren’t comparable.

I know there’s this meme that the right wing press have magic mind control powers but in reality they just play to people’s base interests that already exist.

Would like to think you're right but fear you're giving people too much credit. Unless Johnson gets up and literally says we're shutting down the NHS and replacing it with a US style system nobody will say a word as services continue to be sold off to their mates.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Let’s not blaming the Chinese mantra now gathering pace mask the pathetic initial handling of this virus by our Government, the top leaders of the world such as Trump, Maccron, Merkel and sadly our own will be all looking for somewhere to pass the buck.

Trump has already started- he needed to find a country that has made a real big mess so that he could deflect away from his own failings- sadly that would be us.

 

[Grendel]

Don’t believe the nonsense about flights from USA being controlled, reduced, vetted

Sky scanner suggests most are going to Dublin?

Found the cheapest flights of the year from United States.

 

[Grendel]

That really fucking pisses me off lol there shouldn't be allowed to be any in unless its the transportation of goods....

Flights are banned going into the us so I’d read between the lines rather than make a sensational headline. What’s the implication here? Loads of us tourists coming for bus tour round the palace?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Don’t believe the nonsense about flights from USA being controlled, reduced, vetted

All those 40% departmental spending cuts have to have an impact somewhere. Even if we wanted to do checks on the border, the government literally doesn't have the resource to do it.

 

[Grendel]

All those 40% departmental spending cuts have to have an impact somewhere. Even if we wanted to do checks on the border, the government literally doesn't have the resource to do it.

Most now are cargo flights. Heathrow has doubled its capacity of cargo flights in the last few days

 

[chiefdave]

Sky scanner suggests most are going to Dublin?

Found the cheapest flights of the year from United States.

Rather than looking at what's in the air, which could be private or cargo, better to look at the passenger airport arrivals. Heathrow has several cancelled flights from NY showing but also shows 5 have already landed today which possibly suggests cancelled flights are more to do with demand than any blocks on flying.

 

[fernandopartridge]

A centralised procurement process and organisation was set up a few years ago which all Trusts pay for.

The Category Towers? Problem with it and every other model is that their primary focus is not ensuring absolute continuity of supply but cost savings.

 

[chiefdave]

Trump last week: "We lose thousands of people a year to the flu," he said then. "We never turn the country off."

Trump this week: "A lot of people were saying think of it as the flu, but it's not the flu," he said. "It's vicious."

Has the penny finally dropped?

 

[Grendel]

Rather than looking at what's in the air, which could be private or cargo, better to look at the passenger airport arrivals. Heathrow has several cancelled flights from NY showing but also shows 5 have already landed today which possibly suggests cancelled flights are more to do with demand than any blocks on flying.

Most flights are repatriation or cargo flights

 

[Grendel]

Why are planes still flying?

 

[skybluetony176]

Most flights are repatriation or cargo flights

Are people being repatriated going into 2 weeks quarantine straight from the plane like Australia or are they just going straight home and carrying on?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Are people being repatriated going into 2 weeks quarantine straight from the plane like Australia or are they just going straight home and carrying on?

I think you already know the answer to that

 

[Ring Of Steel]

This furlough scheme is another shambles- 6 mths cashflow statetements, statement of personal assets, mgt accounts, no portal up and running, no word on who qualifies

 

[CCFCSteve]

Even the Mail is getting stuck into them now.

Has been for 2-3 weeks mate

Are people being repatriated going into 2 weeks quarantine straight from the plane like Australia or are they just going straight home and carrying on?

What’s the point in quarantining when we already have high numbers here (especially if they’re coming from lower confirmed case country) ? Everyone should self isolate with symptoms anyway and social distance if outside without symptoms

 

[Grendel]

Has been for 2-3 weeks mate



What’s the point in quarantining when we already have high numbers here (especially if they’re coming from lower confirmed case country) ? Everyone should self isolate with symptoms anyway and social distance if outside without symptoms

Exactly - the hysteria and frothing from the usual subjects is boring.

 

[CCFCSteve]

This furlough scheme is another shambles- 6 mths cashflow statetements, statement of personal assets, mgt accounts, no portal up and running, no word on who qualifies

Portal was never going to be up and running (they said on announcement that it would be end April - that’s probably unrealistic but finger crossed). The government backed loans were due to plug the gap in short term.

There can be genuine issues/concerns ie ventilators, PPE distribution and testing of NHS staff but moaning about everything just dilutes this

Ps companies have got weeks to pull together supporting docs for furloughed scheme and I’d rather have some qualification than just pay out every claim as this is going to cost us all

 

[mark82]

When my work started sending people with underlying health issues home they only sent type 1 diabetics so I assumed type 2 didn't present too much of an issue

Makes absolutely no difference whether type 1 or type 2 in terms of vulnerability. It's just part of the general misunderstanding of type 2.

 

[shmmeee]

Trump last week: "We lose thousands of people a year to the flu," he said then. "We never turn the country off."

Trump this week: "A lot of people were saying think of it as the flu, but it's not the flu," he said. "It's vicious."

Has the penny finally dropped?

He does this a lot. He genuinely just takes his views from the most convincing person he’s recently met.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Portal was never going to be up and running (they said on announcement that it would be end April - that’s probably unrealistic but finger crossed). The government backed loans were due to plug the gap in short term.

There can be genuine issues/concerns ie ventilators, PPE distribution and testing of NHS staff but moaning about everything just dilutes this

Ps companies have got weeks to pull together supporting docs for furloughed scheme and I’d rather have some qualification than just pay out every claim as this is going to cost us all

But I thought the government said there is no problem with PPE & ventilators and that testing is being ramped up, is that not quite true?

Looking likely that no funds will be paid until at least the end of May but probably June or even later, and the info thats needed is highly onerous but also some is highly subjective raising big concerns about how they will actually decide who can claim. Firms are still being told that it will be better to lay off than take the risk of applying- too much vagueness and grey areas. Its a mess basically.