Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (165 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

Agreed. Just to clarify I wasn’t intending to compare countries by the way, I was just highlighting what the recent US model indicated (its inaccurate !)

As the saying goes: all models are wrong, some are useful. There’s a whole lot of models going around at the moment whose main use appears to be boosting the creators profile

I’m not interesting in a nationalist pissing match, more what the scale will be and when we can see some light at the end of the tunnel. There’ll be plenty of time to investigate the response once it’s all over.

 

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[Sick Boy]

Total cases numbers up alot aint they mate? 3039 yesterday compared to 3836 today....

Good news that deaths and intensive care numbers down!

That number includes the number of people who recovered.

 

[CCFCSteve]

With different countries stats being measured differently its hard to be certain but when its all over I'm sure the data will be poured over and the numbers crunched so it is comparable. If that shows we've done significantly worse than other countries there will be questions to answer. As you suggest we should really be in a stronger position than other countries given a two week head start and the fact we're an island.

Just to remind everyone again (as I know ROS will be disappointed if I didn’t !), that two week head start was at least partially built up by our own actions (very good initial trace and tracking, request for use of 111 and to self isolate). Agree, that if we have wasted that it will be extremely disappointing and there will be questions to answer

For those interested, an update on hospital admissions and critical care beds being occupied. Admissions are 19555 (an increase of around 500-600 I think). With regard to care beds they’ve changed the datasets for the graph, it’s now based on CC beds occupied by Covid patients, which is probably more useful but means we don’t know the total available capacity. There are currently 3084 CC beds occupied by Covid patients. That’s an increase of approx 90 on yesterday. Which suggests still well within capacity (which was over 2k yesterday). Let’s hope it can stay that way

 

[Ring Of Steel]

No way. We’re at 7k now and a week from peak, you’d assume as many after peak as before surely. Then you’ve got to add in all those outside hospital and those extra deaths not directly from CV. We’d do very well to keep it below 20k all told on current projections. There’s every chance we’re close to that already.

Have a look at the data from ten days ago: Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales, provisional - Office for National Statistics

You can’t discount every death not directly attributed to CV, you’ve got to look at total increase in deaths compared to a normal year. Half the problem is the overloaded healthcare system itself.

I think we saw that article where they were predicting 66k deaths, that still seems too high to me

 

[The coventrian]

Nice to see my post got the usual response from the frothing leftie crybaby's. Just cant help yourselves can you. When the Tories get us through this,boris and co will get another 10 years. How's it feel children?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Total horseshit. The worst offenders are you spoit brat left wing lot. If things go against you your out on the streets trying to protest that whatever never went your way. Look at Brexit. Full of leftie idiots on the streets saying anyone who voted for it was a racist/nazi. Look at the Tories getting back in,same again,leftie knobheads screaming and shouting that it's not fair blah blah. Look at your yank leftie mates when trump got in. Fuck me what a load of spoiled babies you are. Some middle class leftie was in London protesting saying she hoped boris Johnson would die a nasty death. Ironically she wanted to be a doctor. Oh the irony. Its called democracy. Things dont always go your way so grow the fuck up and accept it. Ironically you preach democracy but then we have a democratic vote and it goes against you cry like the spoilt brats that you are. Who is it that's always out on the streets protesting and spewing their undemocratic views? Oh yes leftie wankers. You dont see normal working class middle of the road people kicking off. You don't really see right wingers kicking off either. Its you fucking lot. The country sits back pissing its pants laughing at you fools. Grow the fuck up accept things dont always go your way,dye your hair a normal colour,have a wash and get a fucking job.

The right to protest is democracy

 

[Tommo1993]

Oh boy

 

[Grendel]

938 deaths, bloody hell

Italy's highest daily count was 919, Spain's was 961.

France had a few days over 1000 but they included deaths outside of hospital, which ours don't.

We've absolutely fucked it. This is awful. Two week headstart and we're in this position. Dom and Grendel can defend the government's early response all they like, but the government has blood on their hands.

You do realise 938 haven’t died in 24 hours don’t you?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Nice to see my post got the usual response from the frothing leftie crybaby's. Just cant help yourselves can you. When the Tories get us through this,boris and co will get another 10 years. How's it feel children?

Feels ok to me, but I’m not as fucked up as you.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

frothing leftie crybaby's

Fine Young Cannibals

 

[skybluetony176]

Full of leftie idiots on the streets saying anyone who voted for it was a racist/nazi.

Didn’t you imply that someone who once voted UKIP was a racist earlier today?

 

[David O'Day]

Nice to see my post got the usual response from the frothing leftie crybaby's. Just cant help yourselves can you. When the Tories get us through this,boris and co will get another 10 years. How's it feel children?

Oh pipe down you racist little rat.

You ain't even working class bruv, you're a middle class gimp.

I wouldn't be surprised if you came Greece and had a thirst for knowledge and you study sculpture at St Martin's College.

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[David O'Day]

You do realise 938 haven’t died in 24 hours don’t you?

I have tried saying this all along. The deaths counted were reported on that day and in tbe past so.e deaths have taken a week or so to be reported.

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[shmmeee]

Nice to see my post got the usual response from the frothing leftie crybaby's. Just cant help yourselves can you. When the Tories get us through this,boris and co will get another 10 years. How's it feel children?

LOL you actually think it’s a sport. Bless you.

And I know you far right types have a habit of kiddie fiddling but you really shouldn’t be feeling children.

 

[David O'Day]

Fine Young Cannibals

He's more milli vanilli

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[clint van damme]

938 deaths, bloody hell

Italy's highest daily count was 919, Spain's was 961.

France had a few days over 1000 but they included deaths outside of hospital, which ours don't.

We've absolutely fucked it. This is awful. Two week headstart and we're in this position. Dom and Grendel can defend the government's early response all they like, but the government has blood on their hands.

I thought we had started recording deaths out side of hospitals?
I'm fairly sure that according to the ONS that started last week. Could be wrong

 

[shmmeee]

I thought we had started recording deaths out side of hospitals?
I'm fairly sure that according to the ONS that started last week. Could be wrong

Daily reports are in hospital deaths only:



“of those hospitalised in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus”

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Daily reports are in hospital deaths only:



“of those hospitalised in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus”

pretty sure I saw a study where the figures are 80% understated because they use NHS and not ONS. It’s definitely worse than what we see.

 

[shmmeee]

pretty sure I saw a study where the figures are 80% understated because they use NHS and not ONS. It’s definitely worse than what we see.

Yeah the FT had a piece. I posted the ONS stats up earlier most recent is about ten days ago I think.

As I said to Steve half the problem is we can’t agree on what we’re counting. Is the 20k excess deaths or Covid directly?

 

[Grendel]

pretty sure I saw a study where the figures are 80% understated because they use NHS and not ONS. It’s definitely worse than what we see.

80% worse lol

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

Guess you must have missed this Subscribe to read | Financial Times

and this 'Free Robinson' march images released

and missed the calls for this Far-right groups threaten to riot at London protests over Brexit bill

Weird how it's not 'leftie wankers with dyed hair' that the police are looking to question in that second one, thought normal working class blokes didn't go to protests?

Still waiting on your response @The coventrian

 

[shmmeee]

80% worse lol

lol people dying is funny.

 

[PVA]

You do realise 938 haven’t died in 24 hours don’t you?

Yes. Doesn't matter though, the numbers have got to match up. Imagine what the daily figures are going to be this time next week, it's going to be horrific.

We're posting higher numbers than Italy have at any point. Good job we sat around and did nothing with our two week headstart.

 

[Grendel]

Yeah the FT had a piece. I posted the ONS stats up earlier most recent is about ten days ago I think.

As I said to Steve half the problem is we can’t agree on what we’re counting. Is the 20k excess deaths or Covid directly?

It’s known that deaths in Italy are hugely understated as I’ve said

There are huge discrepancies between year on year deaths double in some regions versus reported deaths by the disease

The uk do report deaths such as Eddie Large as a Coronavirus death whereas other countries would not as he’d been admitted with a condition and eould not have been tested

France admit the deaths in care homes are estimates and far worse - uk has 13 die in 1 home today which was not recorded

Spain are trying to record deaths where patients showed symptoms

 

[Grendel]

Yes. Doesn't matter though, the numbers have got to match up. Imagine what the daily figures are going to be this time next week, it's going to be horrific.

We're posting higher numbers than Italy have at any point. Good job we sat around and did nothing with our two week headstart.

Yes. Doesn't matter though, the numbers have got to match up. Imagine what the daily figures are going to be this time next week, it's going to be horrific.

We're posting higher numbers than Italy have at any point. Good job we sat around and did nothing with our two week headstart.

It’s acknowledge Italy has a much higher death toll than reported - I assume you acknowledge that

 

[shmmeee]

It’s known that deaths in Italy are hugely understated as I’ve said

There are huge discrepancies between year on year deaths double in some regions versus reported deaths by the disease

The uk do report deaths such as Eddie Large as a Coronavirus death whereas other countries would not as he’d been admitted with a condition and eould not have been tested

France admit the deaths in care homes are estimates and far worse - uk has 13 die in 1 home today which was not recorded

Spain are trying to record deaths where patients showed symptoms

Not sure what other countries have to do with it, this isn’t the place for your “Johnny Foreigner isn’t as great as us Brits” bit I’m afraid.

He’s talking about a comparison between NHS and ONS figures, NHS figures which they admit aren’t the whole story or properly time correlated. Those are two British institutions.

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

lol people dying is funny.

Mr. I have a great compassion for human life over here

 

[Grendel]

Not sure what other countries have to do with it, this isn’t the place for your “Johnny Foreigner isn’t as great as us Brits” bit I’m afraid.

He’s talking about a comparison between NHS and ONS figures, NHS figures which they admit aren’t the whole story or properly time correlated. Those are two British institutions.

I’ve said people in care homes in the you have t been reported - I have seen nothing that suggests it’s 80% under called have you? And the point regarding other countries is that when PVA makes comparisons to other countries he is doing it off a different measuring criteria and therefore can’t be used for analysis

 

[PVA]

It’s acknowledge Italy has a much higher death toll than reported - I assume you acknowledge that

Yes but so does the UK.

Every country does I'd imagine.

So all we can go on is the official figures, which do not make for pretty reading.

 

[David O'Day]

It really hurts to say this but grendel is tight. As countries report their death counts differently it is silly to.compard them as you ste not comparing the same things.

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[shmmeee]

I’ve said people in care homes in the you have t been reported - I have seen nothing that suggests it’s 80% under called have you? And the point regarding other countries is that when PVA makes comparisons to other countries he is doing it off a different measuring criteria and therefore can’t be used for analysis

Yes, I posted it last night, then posted the source data earlier today.

The post you quoted was talking about that comparison. Again British ONS (which is more accurate but delayed) and British NHS (which comes with several caveats).

If you haven’t read up on it then fair enough, but maybe don’t wade into conversations you don’t understand.

 

[Otis]

That number includes the number of people who recovered.

Scary to hear today that a 36 year old bus driver in was in hospital with the virus, improved and was discharged, but then died at home after a very rapid decline.

How are we ever going to know if someone has properly recovered?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

lol people dying is funny.

until it’s Boris getting sick, then all hell breaks loose

 

[CCFCSteve]

I thought we had started recording deaths out side of hospitals?
I'm fairly sure that according to the ONS that started last week. Could be wrong

Im guessing they will be added in to the overall total as the process goes on (after post mortem tests are carried out) but not to a/the daily totals

 

[CCFCSteve]

Scary to hear today that a 36 year old bus driver in was in hospital with the virus, improved and was discharged, but then died at home after a very rapid decline.

How are we ever going to know if someone has properly recovered?

I’ve also ready about how patients can start to feel better and then deteriorate rapidly. Scary