EFL to end season this week - City likely to be promoted (12 Viewers)

[chiefdave]

No wonder the games in the state it is, the people in charge are morons.

Claims they have the joint best form in the league. We last lost on 14th December and had won 7 in a row before everything ground to a halt. Since 14th December they've lost 7 with only 1 win in the last 6!

 

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[MalcSB]

No wonder the games in the state it is, the people in charge are morons.

Claims they have the joint best form in the league. We last lost on 14th December and had won 7 in a row before everything ground to a halt. Since 14th December they've lost 7 with only 1 win in the last 6!

Tranmere 8th best form in last 6; 14th best in last 8; 17th best in last 10. Coventry best form last 6, 8, 10, 12

 

[win9nut]

Darragh MacAnthony (@DMAC102) Tweeted: So much vitriol on here from one set of fans over last few days. Irony is they have no need to be aiming it this way. In time they will realize that. Just a few transparent points to clarify as facts are better than fiction or speculation (1/16)

Darragh MacAnthony (@DMAC102) Tweeted: In the @EFL meeting last week there was no talk of a vote that day, there was no raised voices, nobody laying the law down. Just all clubs having their voices heard regardless of sizes. Talks about current season & future season & issues we all face financially. (2/16)

Darragh MacAnthony (@DMAC102) Tweeted: The appetite for most in tophalf was to play our season out.Majority of other half had no desire to play due to finances which is understandable in current pandemic from their point of view.Ideas were thrown around on how top half can play games to decide fair way to finish(3/16)

Darragh MacAnthony (@DMAC102) Tweeted: Which allowed the clubs not wanting to play to get on with not stressing over contract extensions or financial side of starting up again. EFL Chairman said let's all think about it and come up creative ideas to finish the season. (4/16)

Darragh MacAnthony (@DMAC102) Tweeted: For the top half the financial implications of not playing again in some way versus cost of playing was large with potential refunds on so many things hence importance of hearing both sides of our league and its clubs. (5/16)

Darragh MacAnthony (@DMAC102) Tweeted: I am ok being portrayed as some sort of lone wolf villain but truth is there are more clubs then just me who feel football needs to return for them &everybody involved of course have looked at all options including legal ones as they are large businesses with shareholders &(6/16) Darragh MacAnthony on Twitter

Darragh MacAnthony (@DMAC102) Tweeted: Financial Responsibilities that make it the right and prudent thing to do.There is no one size fits all solution that suits all clubs but compromises could/should be found.We are all 'football' clubs & our product is football & with potential greenlight by Government coming(7/16) Darragh MacAnthony on Twitter

Darragh MacAnthony (@DMAC102) Tweeted: For Football returning Many clubs wanted to get back to playing football in any situation that allows it/in safe professionally advised way.None of this is holding up other clubs planning for future even if Hibernation is their plan. Even if our season finished 2weeks ago -(8/16) Darragh MacAnthony on Twitter

Darragh MacAnthony (@DMAC102) Tweeted: There is no set date for new season/details on immediate horizon due to whats going on in the world so this idea of clubs wanting to get on with 'planning' is just not true or feasible. For weeks I have advocated for football to resume when safe to do so but also I have - (9/16) Darragh MacAnthony on Twitter

Darragh MacAnthony (@DMAC102) Tweeted: Engaged with EFL directly about ideas on how to raise the funds necessary to help all football clubs through this crisis as after 15 years in the EFL; I don't want to see anymore clubs go under. This is still my main goal regardless of some of the nonsense levied at me - (10/16) Darragh MacAnthony on Twitter

Darragh MacAnthony (@DMAC102) Tweeted: Furloughs wont last forever/Football with/without fans will happen as shown in other Countries.Hibernation imo wont be an option for clubs contracted to play football with TV deals in place/contracts with players in place. (11/16) Darragh MacAnthony on Twitter

Darragh MacAnthony (@DMAC102) Tweeted: Our club employs a large number of non footballing staff who are in £18k-£35k per year bracket. One of goals of me/partners is to ensure when furlough ends that we don't lose any of these people because of this crisis. I am a football fan like majority of people on here.(12/16) Darragh MacAnthony on Twitter

Darragh MacAnthony (@DMAC102) Tweeted: If some club fans/forums want to make me out to be the bad guy then have at it but I am football person with a love for our game & worry that without playing football when allowed; then what do we have left? I am thick skinned to take the criticism if fair/balanced or if -(13/16) Darragh MacAnthony on Twitter

Darragh MacAnthony (@DMAC102) Tweeted: The views are different from mine. But to accuse me of being greedy is another irony considering in 15 years in football I have not made a pound note from our beautiful game. Some wont admit it; but truth is that you would want me fighting your corner in a crisis & my - (14/16) Darragh MacAnthony on Twitter

Darragh MacAnthony (@DMAC102) Tweeted: 'Football' club & its employees have told me to fight for their jobs long term. I will always do that regardless of criticism/public perception. For now I have said my piece & will get on with fighting for 'football' long term. (15/16) Darragh MacAnthony on Twitter

Darragh MacAnthony (@DMAC102) Tweeted: This horrible Virus will be defeated, normality will come back & our beautiful game will be back.Our EFL will find a way to help us through the hard period financially & I long for the days or getting trolled for football results & opinions on transfers. Love to you all (16/16) Darragh MacAnthony on Twitter

Several critics have subsequently been blocked by DM despite having seemingly good arguments and pointing out that he did threaten legal action against FL clubs.

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

I actually agree with Lambert.

Paul Lambert blasts EFL for 'lack of leadership' and calls on Premier League for financial help | Daily Mail Online

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Can see it being option D for the 8 team play offs as nobody seems to be able to agree, not bothered as long as we deservedly go up

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

 

[fernandopartridge]

Have a look on Twitter. DMaC has just posted 16 messages how he is being portrayed as the villain and actually he’s doing what best for the game. Apparently the top half of the table all want to play on? Bollocks.

trying to salvo his image...lol

He's trying to canvass, he's trying to imply to the apparently undecided teams that the wind is blowing in a certain direction.

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[fernandopartridge]

Astute is on walkabout...

Coventry and Rotherham likely to be promoted automatically, 4 team playoffs with Pompey ,Oxford United, Fleetwood and Wycombe likely - Portsmouth News

Funny, I can't remember the last time he made a football post on this board.

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[AFCCOVENTRY]

Can see it being option D for the 8 team play offs as nobody seems to be able to agree, not bothered as long as we deservedly go up

Every scenario being put forward tomorrow makes us champions. So let’s get to Friday and get on with it.

For what it’s worth I don’t think Rotherham deserve auto promotion (yet) as they are so close to the chasing pack for 2nd place. I believe a play off from 2-8 is a more reasonable solution. I also think they should do a play off for the final relegation spot between Wimbledon and Tranmere.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Every scenario being put forward tomorrow makes us champions. So let’s get to Friday and get on with it.

For what it’s worth I don’t think Rotherham deserve auto promotion (yet) as they are so close to the chasing pack for 2nd place. I believe a play off from 2-8 is a more reasonable solution. I also think they should do a play off for the final relegation spot between Wimbledon and Tranmere.

Thing is, it’s all good us agreeing to something but then the whole efl has to agree to it aswell so hopefully the championship doesn’t fuck things up.... maybe I’m just worrying when I shouldn’t be

 

[fernandopartridge]

So the question is whether or not any PPG is fair given the table when all was halted? Apart from Sunderland you could throw a blanket over them from us down to Wycombe. Exclude the PPG and let them play it out. Don't see why we would be included Grendel. Would it be a bit more fair than the PPG strictly applied which impedes Peterborough unfairly if used one way or the other?
I know it's a devil if you do or don't, but what would your suggestion be?

Christ you talk rubbish, there is nothing unfair about ppg, it is a model based on fact.

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[fernandopartridge]

She doesn't explain what the league table looked like, gap between teams relegated and not etc

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[Sky Blue Pete]

Tranmere 8th best form in last 6; 14th best in last 8; 17th best in last 10. Coventry best form last 6, 8, 10, 12

And last 34

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

Thing is, it’s all good us agreeing to something but then the whole efl has to agree to it aswell so hopefully the championship doesn’t fuck things up.... maybe I’m just worrying when I shouldn’t be

Cant see Championship screwing is over. They want promotion to the Premiership, so that will be replicated down to L2.

FA and Rick Parry have stayed that promotions and relegations will have to happen. FA has also said voiding the season is not an option.

Basically, it’s inevitable that we will promoted as Champions. Just need to let this play out...

 

[B-Ban-Boogie]

If you can keep track of a football club thousands of miles away I can keep track of politic thousands of miles away. It's not difficult.

My apologies, I've been working the whole time through this virus craziness. Management are pissing me off as its all about the money and not people's well being and it's been a lonnnng day.
Definitely not a thread for fucking US politics! :emoji_thumbsup:.

Hoping for good news tomorrow or by the end of the week! :emoji_pray:

 

[tisza]

She doesn't explain what the league table looked like, gap between teams relegated and not etc

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Of course she doesn't. There was about 11 sides in relegation battle at same stage last season. Only 4 this as Southend and Bolton gone.

 

[Specs WT-R75]

I think they need a simple majority to endorse PPG as the basis for deciding the final table. They might need 75% for the bit about having an 8 team play off, as that is a fundamental change to the rules.

I should hope they're putting it as two separate motions.

Rule changes (promoting less, or relegating less, or changing playoffs) require a majority vote of the 71, plus a majority vote of the Championship teams. I believe if we end up with 3 up 3 down it will just need a majority vote in our league. Listen to latest 'Price Of Football' podcast - it is discussed.

So the question is whether or not any PPG is fair given the table when all was halted? Apart from Sunderland you could throw a blanket over them from us down to Wycombe. Exclude the PPG and let them play it out. Don't see why we would be included Grendel. Would it be a bit more fair than the PPG strictly applied which impedes Peterborough unfairly if used one way or the other?
I know it's a devil if you do or don't, but what would your suggestion be?

There is no fair solution other than playing it out. PPG is the least shit option as it ranks based on performance so far. wPPG "predicts" how you might perform in future games and should be avoided at all costs otherwise why stop there. Why not look at strength of opponents etc. Look at the Premier League - West Ham and Bournemouth both have the same games played, the same number of home games played, the same number of away games and the same points. West Ham are ahead on goal difference (and thus rightly so on PPG) however on weighted PPG Bournemouth are saved. That means that we are "predicting" future results rather than just looking at who has done better so far. Sorry Peterborough, it's tough but you are 7th if we go with the standard 2+4 route. I've no issues extending the playoffs to 6 or 8 teams.

Every scenario being put forward tomorrow makes us champions. So let’s get to Friday and get on with it.

For what it’s worth I don’t think Rotherham deserve auto promotion (yet) as they are so close to the chasing pack for 2nd place. I believe a play off from 2-8 is a more reasonable solution. I also think they should do a play off for the final relegation spot between Wimbledon and Tranmere.

Let's not get into "deserve". We are only 84% likely to be promoted, so do we "deserve" to be 100% promoted without finishing the season? PPG & stick to the prior agreed format of the league and you cannot be accused of any form of favouritism. Additionally per my comments above, any rule changes require 50% votes from all teams and the Championship. Really we need all 3 leagues to stick to the original rules so that the Premier League do not try and pull a fast one and it all collapses like a house of cards and we end up with null and void...

Specs.

 

[AFCCOVENTRY]

Controversial extended play-off plans backed by Pompey rivals Sunderland and Peterborough set to be ditched

 

[Kingokings204]

Controversial extended play-off plans backed by Pompey rivals Sunderland and Peterborough set to be ditched

What a mess!!

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

FWIW, i don't think there will be ANY more football for health reasons, so no play-offs at all. 3 up, 3 down, based on weighted PPG.
If there WERE playoffs, it would have to be behind closed doors involving 4 clubs (as per normal, so no rule change to vote on), all isolated at a single neutral venue with everyone tested negative, one match for each semi, then the final.
But that said, the risk to a professional sportsman from Covid-19 complications would be less than 1%, so just let 'em turn up!

 

[better days]

FWIW, i don't think there will be ANY more football for health reasons, so no play-offs at all. 3 up, 3 down, based on weighted PPG.
If there WERE playoffs, it would have to be behind closed doors involving 4 clubs (as per normal, so no rule change to vote on), all isolated at a single neutral venue with everyone tested negative, one match for each semi, then the final.
But that said, the risk to a professional sportsman from Covid-19 complications would be less than 1%, so just let 'em turn up!

A professor from Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford University said yesterday that based on present trends the number of deaths from Covid-19 will be near to zero by the end of next month
Specifically 'looking at the data it will be difficult to find people with this illness, if trends continue'

 

[rob9872]

Biggest issue on ppg or wppg is nit just the home away but imbalance of games. Our ppg and Wycombes adds to more than 3 which isnt fair. I think we should go up, i think ppg fair but also we should play that one off game v Wycombe.

 

[shmmeee]

A professor from Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford University said yesterday that based on present trends the number of deaths from Covid-19 will be near to zero by the end of next month
Specifically 'looking at the data it will be difficult to find people with this illness, if trends continue'

That’s the anti-lockdown guy, right?

 

[Liquid Gold]

For teams in the playoffs can’t they send them all to St. George’s park and play the games there? They have proper dorm facilities for the players and staff. Obviously training pitches and a Wembley sized pitch to play the games on. Sure they have media facilities too.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

For teams in the playoffs can’t they send them all to St. George’s park and play the games there? They have proper dorm facilities for the players and staff. Obviously training pitches and a Wembley sized pitch to play the games on. Sure they have media facilities too.

That's kind of where i was going with my post, LG. Or there's Bisham Abbey in Bucks

 

[Malaka]

I think they need a simple majority to endorse PPG as the basis for deciding the final table. They might need 75% for the bit about having an 8 team play off, as that is a fundamental change to the rules.

I should hope they're putting it as two separate motions.

I think that Rotherham are quite catchable by the pack behind

Rule changes (promoting less, or relegating less, or changing playoffs) require a majority vote of the 71, plus a majority vote of the Championship teams. I believe if we end up with 3 up 3 down it will just need a majority vote in our league. Listen to latest 'Price Of Football' podcast - it is discussed.



There is no fair solution other than playing it out. PPG is the least shit option as it ranks based on performance so far. wPPG "predicts" how you might perform in future games and should be avoided at all costs otherwise why stop there. Why not look at strength of opponents etc. Look at the Premier League - West Ham and Bournemouth both have the same games played, the same number of home games played, the same number of away games and the same points. West Ham are ahead on goal difference (and thus rightly so on PPG) however on weighted PPG Bournemouth are saved. That means that we are "predicting" future results rather than just looking at who has done better so far. Sorry Peterborough, it's tough but you are 7th if we go with the standard 2+4 route. I've no issues extending the playoffs to 6 or 8 teams.



Let's not get into "deserve". We are only 84% likely to be promoted, so do we "deserve" to be 100% promoted without finishing the season? PPG & stick to the prior agreed format of the league and you cannot be accused of any form of favouritism. Additionally per my comments above, any rule changes require 50% votes from all teams and the Championship. Really we need all 3 leagues to stick to the original rules so that the Premier League do not try and pull a fast one and it all collapses like a house of cards and we end up with null and void...

Specs.

Whilst I agree in principal, It does not take into account for want of better words the 'six-pointers' teams will have teams around them that they have to play at home. We know from experience winning that game and leapfrogging a team can have a massive effect on morale. No one is going to be happy in this scenario. I feel sorry for the likes of Charlton, who went into the bottom three on the last weekend, and have a home game to Hull which if they won could lift them clear. This is no happy scenario. I do think that Rotherham are catchable and if there is a 6 team play off, they should be a part of it. I think in reality, we would have gained automatic, we would have had to have been piss poor to blow it, hence me not saying that we should be involved in it. I think everyone agrees within football circles that we should be awarded promotion. The clubs will not go for a voided season. Some chance of going up is better than no chance, that's why there will be promotion and relegation.

 

[jordan210]

interesting the amount of rotherham fans getting a bit shirty at suggestions that only us should go up as autos.

Rotherham only had a 3% extra chance of promotion than Oxford and Peterborough

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

interesting the amount of rotherham fans getting a bit shirty at suggestions that only us should go up as autos.

Rotherham only had a 3% extra chance of promotion than Oxford and Peterborough

West Brom, Leeds and us have very strong cases. Rotherham’s is fairly tenuous but teams can and do go up by tight margins

 

[Grendel]

interesting the amount of rotherham fans getting a bit shirty at suggestions that only us should go up as autos.

Rotherham only had a 3% extra chance of promotion than Oxford and Peterborough

It does t matter though as two go up so it has to be done or you are now basing on a different argument to PPG

Then Tranmere can argue the same and demand a playoff with Wimbledon

If the base rules are tampered with more and more holes will appear and the whole thing will sink

 

[jordan210]

It does t matter though as two go up so it has to be done or you are now basing on a different argument to PPG

Then Tranmere can argue the same and demand a playoff with Wimbledon

If the base rules are tampered with more and more holes will appear and the whole thing will sink

EFL just need to get some ideas to vote. there is going to be winners and losers. But really if teams at the bottom who have under performed want to kick of and blame everyone else thats up to them.

You could argue anyone like DMC trying to sue clubs and EFL is in breach of fair play or unsporting like conduct guidelines. Maybe a points deduction would shut him up.

 

[Skybluefaz]

It does t matter though as two go up so it has to be done or you are now basing on a different argument to PPG

Then Tranmere can argue the same and demand a playoff with Wimbledon

If the base rules are tampered with more and more holes will appear and the whole thing will sink

The whole thing seems to have done a full circle but ultimately will come back to this.

 

[skybluesam66]

I suggest play off for top 8 with slightly different rules
For every 2points or game in hand you have over a rival, the opposition have to lose a player

so if we were to play peterboro, they would only play with 6 players
Oxford with 7
Wycome with 7

This probably weights fairly the lead we currently have

 

[Skybluefaz]

I suggest play off for top 8 with slightly different rules
For every 2points or game in hand you have over a rival, the opposition have to lose a player

so if we were to play peterboro, they would only play with 6 players
Oxford with 7
Wycome with 7

This probably weights fairly the lead we currently have

MacAnthony would read this thinking you have a fair point if it didn't penalise posh

 

[covcity4life]

Some of our fans are so annoyingly bias lol

If we were in pboro or some relegstion thrratened teams place no way you wpuld be moaning if we were fighting void ppg decisions

 

[Philosoraptor]

Are we there yet?