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shmmeee

shmmeee

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PVA said:
I am no Corbyn fan, far from it, but he quite literally could not have done any worse.
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I think Corbyn would’ve saved more lives just because his instinct is more humanitarian than economic and Id hope he’d have drawn on the talent in the party Starmer has recently brought back to provide some operational competence. I hate to think what would’ve happened if he’s stuck with Burgon and Abbott (pretty much what we’ve seen really). Though I also think they’re more likely to listen to experts.

Neither would’ve been great though.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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What’s that like compared to last Thursday?

getting a little worried the deaths aren’t dropping like you’d expect.
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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I see the bullshit merchants at DHSC are still not able to quantify tests to people. This is clearly bollocks as every line on the test result will be linked to an NHS number. Given that one person is usually at least two tests, it looks like they've tested a max of 60k. Way off the 100k promised and light years from the 200k.

Still new outbreaks happening in care homes - surely it shouldn't be difficult to track the source into each care home?
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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shmmeee said:
What’s that like compared to last Thursday?

getting a little worried the deaths aren’t dropping like you’d expect.
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I think it's possibly because the proportion of infections that are in care homes is higher than that in the wider community, which inflates proportion of deaths against infections as care home patients are far more likely to die.
 
Ian1779

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shmmeee said:
What’s that like compared to last Thursday?

getting a little worried the deaths aren’t dropping like you’d expect.
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Maybe we are now starting to see impact of the poor directive of Stay Alert. It sounds as if there are starting to be some real regional disparities.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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fernandopartridge said:
I think it's possibly because the proportion of infections that are in care homes is higher than that in the wider community, which inflates proportion of deaths against infections as care home patients are far more likely to die.
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How have we fucked care homes so badly? Can’t imagine contact tracing will help there much. Have they given a plan for containing it in care homes?
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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SkyBlueDom26 said:
Great briefing today explaining how we have met the 5 tests! Be good for schools and shops to open safely
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I think I speak for every person in education I know when I say: hahahahahahahahahahahaha

I’ll quote from the letter my daughters primary sent out yesterday:

“This has proved to be an enormous task logistically, incorporating all the daily DfE guidance documents into our planning, many of which have only come out recently. To this end, despite working relentlessly since the Prime Minister's statement about primary schools reopening, we will not be in a position to start this face to face contact on 1st June.”
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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SkyBlueDom26 said:
Great briefing today explaining how we have met the 5 tests! Be good for schools and shops to open safely
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Is this a joke?
The tests are a load of bullshit, based on a false premise

  1. Protect the NHS’s ability to cope. The data shows on 26 May 475 people in England were admitted to hospital with coronavirus, down from a peak of 3,121 on 2 April, he says. This test is being met, he says. Yes, that's because we've had weeks and weeks of lockdown. The NHS ability to cope has not been tested under reduced lockdown.
  2. See a sustained, consistent fall in daily deaths. A 7-day rolling average shows the UK’s daily death rate stands at 256, as of 28 May. The second test is being met, Johnson says. Seems the wrong test and it's been going in the opposite direction over the last 48 hours.
  3. The rate of infection is decreasing to manageable levels across the board. As of 28 May, there were 1,887 cases confirmed. The government is satisfied this test has been met, he says. Accepting nearly 2k new cases a day is a manageable level means we're heading for many many more deaths.
  4. Operational challenges, including testing capacity and PPE, are in supply for future demand. Testing capacity has now reached 161,214 per day and PPE supplies have been boosted. They are satisfied the fourth test is being met, Johnson says. How many people would that be on average? Given the false negatives and two tests per person. It'd take at the very least 2 years to test the 60m NHS registered patients.
  5. Any adjustments to current measures must not risk a second peak of infections that could overwhelm the NHS. He will set out further details on schools, social contact and retail. He says it is right different parts of the UK are moving at different speeds with this. It is right that different places move at different speeds, yet bizarrely, England which has performed worse out of all home nations is moving fastest.
 
Ian1779

Ian1779

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SkyBlueDom26 said:
Having 2 billion items being made and have 100 deals in place, wasn’t acceptable at the start but it’s got to be good news that we now have them in place
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They haven’t released daily testing data for almost a week. And any idiot can say that PPE is being made....

Let’s see some actual facts to back this shit up - not just lies on PowerPoint
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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SkyBlueDom26 said:
Having 2 billion items being made and have 100 deals in place, wasn’t acceptable at the start but it’s got to be good news that we now have them in place
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We don't though.

This is utter madness and people will die.



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ajsccfc

ajsccfc

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Being able to visit people's gardens but not go inside their house means I can shit outside and the law is on my side at last. A DREAM FULFILLED
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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fernandopartridge said:
Is this a joke?
The tests are a load of bullshit, based on a false premise

  1. Protect the NHS’s ability to cope. The data shows on 26 May 475 people in England were admitted to hospital with coronavirus, down from a peak of 3,121 on 2 April, he says. This test is being met, he says. Yes, that's because we've had weeks and weeks of lockdown. The NHS ability to cope has not been tested under reduced lockdown.
  2. See a sustained, consistent fall in daily deaths. A 7-day rolling average shows the UK’s daily death rate stands at 256, as of 28 May. The second test is being met, Johnson says. Seems the wrong test and it's been going in the opposite direction over the last 48 hours.
  3. The rate of infection is decreasing to manageable levels across the board. As of 28 May, there were 1,887 cases confirmed. The government is satisfied this test has been met, he says. Accepting nearly 2k new cases a day is a manageable level means we're heading for many many more deaths.
  4. Operational challenges, including testing capacity and PPE, are in supply for future demand. Testing capacity has now reached 161,214 per day and PPE supplies have been boosted. They are satisfied the fourth test is being met, Johnson says. How many people would that be on average? Given the false negatives and two tests per person. It'd take at the very least 2 years to test the 60m NHS registered patients.
  5. Any adjustments to current measures must not risk a second peak of infections that could overwhelm the NHS. He will set out further details on schools, social contact and retail. He says it is right different parts of the UK are moving at different speeds with this. It is right that different places move at different speeds, yet bizarrely, England which has performed worse out of all home nations is moving fastest.
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Exactly this is utter utter madness.

People are going to die

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David O'Day

David O'Day

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SkyBlueDom26 said:
They dropped in other countries and there has been no second spike, why won’t the same happen here?
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Because they relaxed restrictions at much lower numbers.

On the day the much vaunted Swiss reopened schools they had 61 new cases.



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fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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SkyBlueDom26 said:
They dropped in other countries and there has been no second spike, why won’t the same happen here?
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The number of infected people here is much higher, I don't understand how you can't grasp this. We're still adding new infections at a nominal rate as high as it was at the beginning of lockdown.
 
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