New Stadium Announcement!!!!!! (26 Viewers)

[Magwitch]

I think going back a few years when Bryan Richardson was yahooing having a station at the Ricoh to ferry the hordes of punters to our super duper new ground was a pipe dream just like his national stadium bollox.

Notwithstanding the effects of COVID on the aviation industry, given the proposed expansion of LTN, and lots of capacity still at STN there is no chance that any airline would consider using BHX as an alternative to extra LON capacity. That’s also not factoring in the potential LHR 3rd runway, which the Government might now decide to back and want to use to make the UK look like it is strong and open for business after the s**tshow that will be Brexit.

But Boris says Brexit is oven ready.

 

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[Woodingdean_Sky_Blue]

I think going back a few years when Bryan Richardson was yahooing having a station at the Ricoh to ferry the hordes of punters to our super duper new ground was a pipe dream just like his national stadium bollox.

Railway stations cost a lot of money and I am almost certain that having a station at the stadium was a planning requirement, rather than something the club actually wanted to do. Cost is probably why a station got pushed onto the back burner when the council took over the project.

 

[Kneeza]

I think going back a few years when Bryan Richardson was yahooing having a station at the Ricoh to ferry the hordes of punters to our super duper new ground was a pipe dream just like his national stadium bollox.

But Boris says Brexit is oven ready.

Johnson is oven-ready. Fckn turkey.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Notwithstanding the effects of COVID on the aviation industry, given the proposed expansion of LTN, and lots of capacity still at STN there is no chance that any airline would consider using BHX as an alternative to extra LON capacity. That’s also not factoring in the potential LHR 3rd runway, which the Government might now decide to back and want to use to make the UK look like it is strong and open for business after the s**tshow that will be Brexit.

This decision massively predated Covid and even Brexit, so those played little part in the decision for HS2 (although the latter will have been factored into the review last year).

The LHR 3rd runway has been mooted (and resisted) for ages, as have any alternatives and the cost of such development in the SE would be massive.

Answer this - if the reason for it is to encourage investment further north, why put the main stop attached to an airport? Surely you'd ignore that and just go straight into Birmingham or nearby. Why would people fly to London, to then have to travel across London to get on a train to take them on a 45 mins 100 mile journey north? Wouldn't you either just stay in London or fly straight to BHX and connect from there? Of course it doesn't have the same level of flights as London but it could be expanded to cater for more flights and would likely be much cheaper than expanding existing London airports such as Heathrow.

Similarly if it was for those using the Channel Tunnel from Europe, HS2 doesn't connect to HS1 - one terminates at St Pancras, the other Euston - so again they'd have to get off and a connecting train. Why bother? Just stay in London.

Now look at it from the other direction. Plane lands at BHX. Get on a train attached to the airport and be in central London in 45mins, a time comparable with a number of the other 'London' airports. Then when you leave get on a 45 min train back to BHX, straight off and into the airport.

One of those scenarios makes sense. The other doesn't.

 

[Mcbean]

This decision massively predated Covid and even Brexit, so those played little part in the decision for HS2 (although the latter will have been factored into the review last year).

The LHR 3rd runway has been mooted (and resisted) for ages, as have any alternatives and the cost of such development in the SE would be massive.

Answer this - if the reason for it is to encourage investment further north, why put the main stop attached to an airport? Surely you'd ignore that and just go straight into Birmingham or nearby. Why would people fly to London, to then have to travel across London to get on a train to take them on a 45 mins 100 mile journey north? Wouldn't you either just stay in London or fly straight to BHX and connect from there? Of course it doesn't have the same level of flights as London but it could be expanded to cater for more flights and would likely be much cheaper than expanding existing London airports such as Heathrow.

Similarly if it was for those using the Channel Tunnel from Europe, HS2 doesn't connect to HS1 - one terminates at St Pancras, the other Euston - so again they'd have to get off and a connecting train. Why bother? Just stay in London.

Now look at it from the other direction. Plane lands at BHX. Get on a train attached to the airport and be in central London in 45mins, a time comparable with a number of the other 'London' airports. Then when you leave get on a 45 min train back to BHX, straight off and into the airport.

One of those scenarios makes sense. The other doesn't.

Cost of HS2 tickets apparently to be prohibitive to all but business travellers who are now all working at home

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Cost of HS2 tickets apparently to be prohibitive to all but business travellers who are now all working at home

Again wasn't to be known at the time of the decision or the review, although it wasn't like it was unheard of and the liklihood of moving towards doing business in that manner in the near future couldn't be considered. it probably was but they massively underplayed or underestimated the scale of the change, esp with a pandemic forcing many to adopt it and finding it acceptable. If we had another review it may well be factored in and alter the business case, although with the amounts spent on it thus far it would look terrible to can it and I'm sure they'd look for as much reason to continue as possible to save face. Really only a change of party in govt could argue for it.

There are still a number of business deals, esp larger ones, that are preferred to be done in person, either due to the generation just saying 'that's the way's it done' and just the more personal feel of it, the better security than online meetings/discussions or even just good old fashioned expenses and jaunts.

 

[shmmeee]

The local Coventry to Leamington train, via Kenilworth, is a one to two carriage affair. In fact, it's the one that goes through Coventry Arena station!

Oh. Bugger.

 

[clint van damme]

Cost of HS2 tickets apparently to be prohibitive to all but business travellers who are now all working at home

you just know that H2S is going to be the biggest waste of public money ever. Still, I'm sure once they wheel Farage out to point at a dinghy or some vegan food the public will direct their anger elsewhere.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Having high speed rail is a good idea, how do so many other countries manage it without making it such a cluster fuck?

 

[Mcbean]

Having high speed rail is a good idea, how do so many other countries manage it without making it such a cluster fuck?

They have further to go - saving 20 mins getting to London from Brum is wasted on the first cup of coffee - we live 1.5 hours from St Andrews and therefore not that different from the new HS2 stadium - still quicker for me to go South in the car and park - jump on the tube

 

[Liquid Gold]

They have further to go - saving 20 mins getting to London from Brum is wasted on the first cup of coffee - we live 1.5 hours from St Andrews and therefore not that different from the new HS2 stadium - still quicker for me to go South in the car and park - jump on the tube

But our country is bigger than Cov or Brum to London and the whole point is that it should be quicker, easier and cheaper than doing it by car because we'd be doing less damage to the environment.

 

[Woodingdean_Sky_Blue]

But our country is bigger than Cov or Brum to London and the whole point is that it should be quicker, easier and cheaper than doing it by car because we'd be doing less damage to the environment.

Rather than build a railway why doesn't the government do more to reduce the number of journeys and the average distance travelled?

 

[Mcbean]

But our country is bigger than Cov or Brum to London and the whole point is that it should be quicker, easier and cheaper than doing it by car because we'd be doing less damage to the environment.

Well if we all had electric cars then no - for the destruction of the countryside so far then no - i used Brum as the example - would have been more effective doing the North end first - problem is that for everyone South of Brum it has no benefit but a massive impact on the countryside - trains abroad are very inexpensive to use and i have done - here they are very expensive and i have not been on a train for 5 years , our problem is we have to drive and then park - its cheaper to go by car and park like the Wembley trips and currently low Covid risk

 

[Liquid Gold]

Rather than build a railway why doesn't the government do more to reduce the number of journeys and the average distance travelled?

How the hell can you reduce people travelling?

Well if we all had electric cars then no - for the destruction of the countryside so far then no - i used Brum as the example - would have been more effective doing the North end first - problem is that for everyone South of Brum it has no benefit but a massive impact on the countryside - trains abroad are very inexpensive to use and i have done - here they are very expensive and i have not been on a train for 5 years , our problem is we have to drive and then park - its cheaper to go by car and park like the Wembley trips and currently low Covid risk

I'm not saying HS2 has been well managed, I said it's a clusterfuck but everything you've ought up shows that it could have been done better. Electric car's are expensive to buy and don't travel long distances yet, trains can.
If you built it on existing lines then no need to rip up any countryside.
It would have been better doing the whole mainline for both coasts.
Trains are too expensive here because they're owned by European state operators who use our extortionate prices to subsidise fares, nationalise them.

 

[Mcbean]

How the hell can you reduce people travelling?

I'm not saying HS2 has been well managed, I said it's a clusterfuck but everything you've ought up shows that it could have been done better. Electric car's are expensive to buy and don't travel long distances yet, trains can.
If you built it on existing lines then no need to rip up any countryside.
It would have been better doing the whole mainline for both coasts.
Trains are too expensive here because they're owned by European state operators who use our extortionate prices to subsidise fares, nationalise them.

Sure - trouble is now i think its a bigger white elephant than Sky Blue Sam - and its too expensive to can it which is a shame as Richie needs 40 billion right now

 

[Woodingdean_Sky_Blue]

How the hell can you reduce people travelling?

I'm no expert, but...

Encourage Employers to employee local staff.

Encourage more virtual meetings and home working.

Move further away from a London centric government, civil service and judiciary.

Discourage remotely located 'shopping villages' intended to serve wide catchment areas and instead encourage the regeneration of shopping areas in population centres.

Require airlines to serve regional airports with an increased proportion of intercontinental flights.

 

[shmmeee]

We’re so shit at infrastructure in this country.

 

[Woodingdean_Sky_Blue]

We’re so shit at infrastructure in this country.

Doesn't help that so many politicians seem intent on leaving a legacy for people to remember them by.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

They have further to go - saving 20 mins getting to London from Brum is wasted on the first cup of coffee - we live 1.5 hours from St Andrews and therefore not that different from the new HS2 stadium - still quicker for me to go South in the car and park - jump on the tube

1.5hours!

Although I do agree about the shorter distances. Acceleration would be more important to us and that's stuff like maglev. Can't justify the cost of it (though the spiralling cost as it is they may as well)

 

[Liquid Gold]

We’re so shit at infrastructure in this country.

London does alright but the state being involved in TFL doesn’t matter I swear it

 

[Kneeza]

Still on the subject of rail (sort of), the Dudley test track (for the Coventry VLR system which is allegedly linked to any new stadium project's ongoing viability(?)) appears to be moving along nicely.

First track laid for Very Light Rail in Dudley

New pictures show the first sections of track laid as part of the Very Light Rail development in Dudley.

www.expressandstar.com

 

[lordy_87]

Not that I believe this stadium will happen but if it did would love something like this... Orlando SC stadium 25,000. Construction cost $155m though...

 

[BackRoomRummermill]

Not that I believe this stadium will happen but if it did would love something like this... Orlando SC stadium 25,000. Construction cost $155m though...

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Unless there are some very wealthy sponsors - no chance

 

[fernandopartridge]

Some broadly stadium related info:

1. Paper from Warwick DC on site of a new Cov South railway station. This has some other general info about plans to develop land around UoW WCCC-2066277159-1388 (warwickshire.gov.uk)

2. Image of proposed 'Very Light Rail' route map

 

[Woodingdean_Sky_Blue]

Some broadly stadium related info:

1. Paper from Warwick DC on site of a new Cov South railway station. This has some other general info about plans to develop land around UoW WCCC-2066277159-1388 (warwickshire.gov.uk)

2. Image of proposed 'Very Light Rail' route map

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WCC Option 3 ties things down quite a bit (particularly the potential connection bit).

The VLR map is a bit inaccurate, isn't it? They have put Kings Hill north of the A45 and it is south of there.

The south east extension looks interesting, but the map is so inaccurate it is impossible to tell much.

 

[saveitforthewombles]

A lot of the US soccer stadiums are crappy metal framed/almost temporary structures. Good to see this one isn't.

One risk with the University approach is the fact that I'd imagine they would want a stadium with a running track around it..........

 

[CoventryUSA]

A lot of the US soccer stadiums are crappy metal framed/almost temporary structures. Good to see this one isn't.

That was true in the old days (2000-2010 ish). But the league is on much more solid footing these days and has now cemented itself for good. As such, all the new stadiums being built are much, much nicer and will be around for decades to come.

Here are the renderings of the stadium being built for my club, Nashville SC. Link to Video "Flythrough"

 

[saveitforthewombles]

Not saying it's always a bad thing. San Jose's ground is rickety but good (longest outdoor bar in the US). Red Bull Arena is good. Just a shame the footy is in the main pretty shit.

 

[CoventryUSA]

Not saying it's always a bad thing. San Jose's ground is rickety but good (longest outdoor bar in the US). Red Bull Arena is good. Just a shame the footy is in the main pretty shit.

I hope you are watching these days, but the quality has risen a lot in the last few years. Lot more money being pumped into the rosters beyond just big name stars. The league is starting to poach a lot of quality talent from South America.

I would put the league average team pretty much on par with Cov. There are teams, like San Jose, that I think Cov would beat more often than not. But I don't think Cov would manage well at all against the top teams like LAFC, Columbus, and Toronto.

 

[1ccfc]

A lot of the US soccer stadiums are crappy metal framed/almost temporary structures. Good to see this one isn't.

One risk with the University approach is the fact that I'd imagine they would want a stadium with a running track around it..........

I'm not sure if that would work. How would spectators in the stadium see people running around the outside of it? Still at least it wouldn't be around the pitch .

 

[saveitforthewombles]

I hope you are watching these days, but the quality has risen a lot in the last few years. Lot more money being pumped into the rosters beyond just big name stars. The league is starting to poach a lot of quality talent from South America.

I would put the league average team pretty much on par with Cov. There are teams, like San Jose, that I think Cov would beat more often than not. But I don't think Cov would manage well at all against the top teams like LAFC, Columbus, and Toronto.

I am not watching these days! Sticking to English/German.

 

[saveitforthewombles]

I'm not sure if that would work. How would spectators in the stadium see people running around the outside of it? Still at least it wouldn't be around the pitch .

Classic

 

[Skyblueweeman]

I can't open the documents for some reason. Do they mention a new stadium specifically?

 

[steve cooper]

A bit of a sharp turn for a train on the Coventry North line

 

[fernandopartridge]

I can't open the documents for some reason. Do they mention a new stadium specifically?

No