Points to survive (14 Viewers)
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mark82
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I think if we stay up comfortably it will be a bigger achievement.
mrtrench
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Our aim has to be to emulate Athletico Barnsley and Real Luton. They scraped themselves safe last year and have kicked on to be comfortable in mid-table. The other sides have so much more money than us that it'll take several seasons of small improvements before we can imagine troubling the top 6.
Sky Blue Pete
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I disagree and optimistic thoughts from 90%’of our fans doesn’t change what I think is a fact
Brighton Sky Blue
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It objectively is, a newly promoted side with one of the smallest budgets by some way, not using its own ground and a seemingly endless tide of long term injuries to key players. He won’t get manager of the year for it but if achieved impresses me more than last year.
tisza
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Wednesday symptomatic of the mismanagement of clubs in the Championship. Spending money they don't have. think last published wage bill was 42m against 23m income for a team that's spent last 4/5 years mid-table at best.
Championship clubs still spending based on what the top end Championship clubs are spending (which is normally financed by parachute payments rather than Championship income).
Brighton Sky Blue
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23m still trebles our income, makes me wonder what we could do on the same money
Ccfcisparks
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Really wouldn't surprise me if somebody got docked points ala Derby.
tisza
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Plenty of scope. Just don't fall into the trap of paying ex-PL players.
Way too many ordinary players on low end PL money based on historical wages rather than performance.
AOM
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I also thought this would probably happen early on in the season. Aren't Derby being bought out though?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I love this new word! Doing things in a disordered but angry manner.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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This is the potential argument against looking to bring in James permanently. He's probably on a decent wedge at the moment and might not want to take that much of a massive drop, esp if he does well here as he'll be in demand.
We're even unable to consider the likes of Walsh because of the wages and he's inexperienced at this level.
tisza
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Matty James is a great example. Apparently on around 30k at Leicester so even with a pay cut into the Championship still an expensive option for a Championship side managing even a decent income.
KenilworthSkyBlue
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With respect to James, he either takes a significant drop or he never finds a club again. Realistically given that he hasn't played a full season in probably the best part of 5/6 years, what club is going to willingly offer him the same salary he's currently on at Leicester.
Even if he does well here I suspect he'll still have to take a significant drop as given the precarious nature of club finances at the minute he'll be seen as too much of a risk.
steve cooper
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Where we are at the moment, we don't need to worry about individual teams below us going on a good run and picking up points. There are plenty of teams around us, or catchable who will hit a bad patch. Look at Cardiff, 1 point in the last 5 games, Huddersfield 3 points in the last 5 games, Birmingham & Barnsley both 4 points in the last 5 games. As long as we keep steadily picking up points, losses against the top table teams don't matter too much.
Barnsley
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We’ve picked up 27pts from 13 games, against the 12 teams below us.
cov donkey kick
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Around 50 points which will be a bigger achievement for MR than last season with the lowest budget, not playing in cov and no crowds. A real achievement . To be fair 2 him even if we don't do it he should be safe in his job.
Johhny Blue
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If he reads this forum He won’t want to stay after his first mistake.
skyblue025
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The average wage for a Championship player last year was 29k. He may well get near that if he has a good second half of the season. Just shows how well we have done with our highest paid player rumoured to be O'Hare on 10k.
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Looking at the table I would say any club from 12th down are vulnerable none can afford a slump in results but as in most seasons someone will. From ccfc point of view we have 21 games left and imo need to win at least 7, and draw a few which I reckon could put us around mid-table, got a tough February with the top four and Cardiff and Blackburn away I’d take 4/5 points from that lot now.
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Matty James knows his time on around 30k a week if that’s what he gets are over, if Callum O’Hare is on 10k a week , i doubt that actually I would think James will get a comparable deal as would some others. After this pandemic and bcd it’s going to be interesting to see what the average championship wage will be I’m sure the highest payers will have to tighten their belts quiet a bit as clubs will. We can operate from the other way that could be an advantage. But our best players will I’m sure expect to be nearer our top earners we have to be competitive if for example Hamer is a multi-million valued player we have to match his wage to that value.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I personally don't think wage necessarily equates to ability as much as some other people do.
We might have a small budget, but our squad is (I think) very high quality for what we have spent. There are a lot of teams who are the other way (having massive budgets, spending stupid money on very average players).
Promotion is a bigger achievement for me, and with our team I think we should have the ability to stay up easily. Whether we do or not remains to be seen, but it isn't as much David and Golliath as I think it is made out sometimes.
The biggest variable right now is injuries. You could make a very good first team out of players who are in the medical room. With that in consideration I think the achievement of staying up earns more merit points, but promotion really is something else.
We might have a small budget, but our squad is (I think) very high quality for what we have spent. There are a lot of teams who are the other way (having massive budgets, spending stupid money on very average players).
Promotion is a bigger achievement for me, and with our team I think we should have the ability to stay up easily. Whether we do or not remains to be seen, but it isn't as much David and Golliath as I think it is made out sometimes.
The biggest variable right now is injuries. You could make a very good first team out of players who are in the medical room. With that in consideration I think the achievement of staying up earns more merit points, but promotion really is something else.
tisza
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Highlights the ridiculousness of Championship finances. latest published figures had wage bills at 107% of income. Parachute payments remain an issue - creating basically a sub group between top of Championship and bottom of PL with certain clubs yo-yoing between the divisions. Villa's wage bill for the season they went up was 95m.
ccfcricoh
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I'm not sure it will stay that high once the impacts of Covid have kicked in and all the players contracts come up for renewal.
But no argument we are doing remarkably well compared to all others.
I would say we are the most "over achieving" team in the league bar none in the finances respect.
Barnsley
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Ccfcisparks
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Who do you reckon is your highest paid player Barnsley10k a week at Coventry
Sky Blue Pete
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Chaplin lol
Frostie
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Mowatt I'd guess - Rumoured to be around £6,500 p/w.
Barnsley are very coy with financials & are known to be one of the lowest payers in the Championship.
Of course overall their squad is paid quite a bit more than ours though.
clint van damme
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I think you're the first person, other than me, to mention Huddersfield.
They're in free fall at the moment and we can go above them if we win our game in hand.
I think big Mick will get Cardiff out of trouble.
Colin Steins Smile
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The impact of Covid restrictions on clubs is going to suppress wages in the EFL for numerous clubs. Additionally, some players out of contract this summer previously on large salaries will need to be careful with their wage expectations, as they might find themselves unemployed.
If having turned down a contract that a couple of months later would have been acceptable to them...when they realise thereality of their situation dawned on them.
Interesting times ahead.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Does anyone reckon that that average wage is massively inflated by those teams that have come down from the Prem and still got those level of wages on their books.
The average wage there is 60k pw (which itself will be inflated by some on 150-200k+ a week) but even if you've got most of your squad on say 30k a week that could distort the figures significantly if you've got half a dozen clubs in that boat. Plus with their parachute payments they'll probably pay above average even on new signings in an attempt to go back up.
The average wage there is 60k pw (which itself will be inflated by some on 150-200k+ a week) but even if you've got most of your squad on say 30k a week that could distort the figures significantly if you've got half a dozen clubs in that boat. Plus with their parachute payments they'll probably pay above average even on new signings in an attempt to go back up.
Frostie
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Yes, of course. You also get ill thought out recruitment like this...
Signed on a 3 year deal just this summer & on huge wages, rumoured to be approx. £30k p/w. Good luck getting shot of him!
South West Sky Blue
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Forest and Derby were not really contenders for relegation before the start of the season. They're now picking up more points so both could pull away in the next few months. Barnsley and Luton have done better than expected.
Shef Wed will struggle, Wycombe haven't got much hope. I'd like to think we'll finish above them. I look at Rotherham and hope we finish above them. We still have to go to their place and have seen they can put performances together (3-0 away at 'Boro). I llook at QPR, Birmingham and a couple others, thinking we could finish above them.
I'm still holding out hope that Derby get a points deduction. I know that sounds petty and possibly malicious. However they cheated financially and got away with it last year, just like Man City did with the court of arbitration for sport appeal against UEFA. For this league to have any transparency and respect, teams need to have a modicum of respect for financial fair play. I know we're not perfect, but there's plenty of other examples. Bristol City have the Hargreaves Lansdown owner (Lansdown) pumping millions out of his own pocket every year. At least they're honest and don't buy back their ground for dodgy prices.
Shef Wed will struggle, Wycombe haven't got much hope. I'd like to think we'll finish above them. I look at Rotherham and hope we finish above them. We still have to go to their place and have seen they can put performances together (3-0 away at 'Boro). I llook at QPR, Birmingham and a couple others, thinking we could finish above them.
I'm still holding out hope that Derby get a points deduction. I know that sounds petty and possibly malicious. However they cheated financially and got away with it last year, just like Man City did with the court of arbitration for sport appeal against UEFA. For this league to have any transparency and respect, teams need to have a modicum of respect for financial fair play. I know we're not perfect, but there's plenty of other examples. Bristol City have the Hargreaves Lansdown owner (Lansdown) pumping millions out of his own pocket every year. At least they're honest and don't buy back their ground for dodgy prices.
Skybluemichael
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I read somewhere Stoke have 9players on over £50k a week, crazy