Do you want to discuss boring politics? (87 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

My grandad was a miner at Binley pit,He’d never have voted for Corbyn and his like but I feel they need a figure like Burnham to get the party together and realise there’s life outside the big cities.

The same Andy Burnham who is in charge of one of the biggest cities in England?

 

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[SkyBlueDom26]

Labour can’t win without the left being on board. That’s a fact.

Looool being too left wing cost them with Corbyn, some people will never learn

 

[clint van damme]

ID cards should be used

Why? Are you suggesting some irregularity with the tories recent election successes?
There's no need and they'll just outsource it to one of their grifting mates like they did with track and trace, at huge expense to the tax payer.

 

[Ian1779]

Looool being too left wing cost them with Corbyn, some people will never learn

Not backing Brexit is ultimately what cost them - a lot of their policies are generally popular.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Why? Are you suggesting some irregularity with the tories recent election successes?
There's no need and they'll just outsource it to one of their grifting mates like they did with track and trace, at huge expense to the tax payer.

Bullshit, why’s it such a problem about proving you’re identity.....always making excuses

 

[PVA]

ID cards should be used

No they shouldn't.

It stops people voting. Of course the Tories want to introduce it though.

What next in their quest for dictatorship I wonder.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Bullshit, why’s it such a problem about proving you’re identity.....always making excuses

It's been a long established voter suppression tactic in the US

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

No they shouldn't.

It stops people voting. Of course the Tories want to introduce it though.

What next in their quest for dictatorship I wonder.

Cry some more, tories are here to stay

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

It's been a long established voter suppression tactic in the US

I genuinely don’t understand why proving you’re identity is wrong tho

 

[PVA]

Cry some more, tories are here to stay

You're a fucking child. Completely incapable of debate or argument

 

[clint van damme]

Bullshit, why’s it such a problem about proving you’re identity.....always making excuses

There's no need.
There have been numerous election and referendums recently with no suggestion of an issue.
There would have been an unusually high number of postal and proxy votes Thursday because of covid and there was no issue. Its pointless.

The money it would cost could be put to far better use.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

You're a fucking child. Completely incapable of debate or argument

I’m just stating facts and loving the tears from you

 

[PVA]

I’m just stating facts and loving the tears from you

Stating the facts? You think ID cards for voting is a good idea. That's not a fact.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Stating the facts? You think ID cards for voting is a good idea. That's not a fact.

It is a good idea, if you think otherwise then you ain’t got a clue

 

[clint van damme]

It is a good idea, if you think otherwise then you ain’t got a clue

Why is it?

 

[PVA]

It is a good idea, if you think otherwise then you ain’t got a clue

How is stopping millions of people from voting a good idea?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Why is it?

Because it stops fraud or people looking to cheat the system, just show you’re ID I don’t understand why its such an issue loool just more excuses from one side

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

How is stopping millions of people from voting a good idea?

Hardly stopping them, go get an ID card

 

[clint van damme]

Because it stops fraud or people looking to cheat the system, just show you’re ID I don’t understand why its such an issue loool just more excuses from one side

Has there been an issue with fraud?
Are you calling the recent tory victories into question?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I genuinely don’t understand why proving you’re identity is wrong tho

OK, well a couple of points

1. Voter fraud occurs at such a low rate it's virtually non-existent. Why invest money and resources into a problem that doesn't exist?
2. Usually the ID required is harder to obtain for certain demographics. Why make it more difficult to take part in elections instead of easier?

The answer probably lies in that Boris has seen the Republicans use it to suppress the Democratic vote in certain American states.

 

[It’sabatch87]

The same Andy Burnham who is in charge of one of the biggest cities in England?

Yes, what would Labour do for a John Smith now??

 

[PVA]

Hardly stopping them, go get an ID card

Fucking clueless.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yes, what would Labour do for a John Smith now!!

I understand. So I think you missed last time I asked but on a practical level what does 'be more centrist' mean?

 

[Skybluefaz]

Cry some more, tories are here to stay

Weren't that long ago you were crying on the coronavirus thread about Boris lad.

 

[Ian1779]

Because it stops fraud or people looking to cheat the system, just show you’re ID I don’t understand why its such an issue loool just more excuses from one side

So you’re only bothered about certain types of corruption..... gotcha.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Weren't that long ago you were crying on the coronavirus thread about Boris lad.

Certainly done very well with the vaccines, that’s why he’s took so many seats in the local elections

 

[clint van damme]

Certainly done very well with the vaccines, that’s why he’s took so many seats in the local elections

Sure it wasn't fraud? You seem to know something we don't!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Certainly done very well with the vaccines, that’s why he’s took so many seats in the local elections

I thought that was because Labour were awful?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

I thought that was because Labour were awful?

Labour are worse than awful

 

[It’sabatch87]

I understand. So I think you missed last time I asked but on a practical level what does 'be more centrist' mean?

You won’t like what I’m gonna say but a bit like Blair was otherwise you can forget it.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Labour are worse than awful

Understood.

So can you explain why it makes sense to spend money and resources on fixing a problem that doesn't exist?

 

[PVA]

Labour are worse than awful

Sounds like the elections were corrupt and fraudulent though.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You won’t like what I’m gonna say but a bit like Blair was otherwise you can forget it.

But isn't he a university educated private school snotty metropolitan elite?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Sounds like the elections were corrupt and fraudulent though.

Labour lost by a million miles mate get over it hahaha

 

[PVA]

Labour lost by a million miles mate get over it hahaha

But you've just been saying that election fraud is a serious problem.

So which is it?

The mental gymnastics you people go through to defend your ridiculous positions