Grendel
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not a neat sidestep but a fact the bottom line is over the last 60 years more people prefer Tory governments to Labour ones.
That’s a trend that looks likely to become even more pronounced
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not a neat sidestep but a fact the bottom line is over the last 60 years more people prefer Tory governments to Labour ones.
That’s a trend that looks likely to become even more pronounced
Brighton Sky Blue
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Because perception and personalities matter more than policy and substance but we've been over that before. What I suppose is most important is that Attlee won in 1945 as if he hadn't we'd probably never have bothered with the NHS and reforms to state education.
Grendel
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Kinnock had more personality that thatcher and major wouldn’t you say?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I don't disagree with that particularly, but to suggest the Tories are the party of the working man instead is a laughable suggestion. They may make out they're for the common man but in reality they're for the wealthy and big business and if there's a small knock on that can be sold as good for the small man they big it up and make it out that that was the entire point of it rather than a convenient side effect.
Grendel
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Thatcher was by every definition from low class stock as was John Major - they were far less privileged than Blair - why are they for the wealthy and big business?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Surely a joke?
stupot07
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Plus this makes a huge difference
2019 General Election Endorsement (paper circulation 2019/2020 )
Tory supporting papers
Express 250k
Daily Mail 1,134,000
Sun 1,207,000
Times (inc. Digital) 656k
Telegraph 250k
Evening Standard 780k
Total 4,277,000
Labour supporting papers
Mirror 389k
Guardian 110k
Morning Star 10k
Sunday People 127k
Liverpool Echo 35k
Total 671,000
When Blair won, the Sun switched allegiance from Tory to back Blair and the Labour Party.
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Brighton Sky Blue
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What about the Independent and the I?
Ccfcisparks
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£700...Labour MP spent over £700 of taxpayers money on 'influencers toolkit'
Zarah Sultana, the Corbyn-supporting MP for Coventry South with 85,000 followers on Instagram, used her expense account to buy equipment
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Rising star Labour MP Zarah Sultana, who regularly features in videos for left-wing Youtube channels, has spent almost £800 of taxpayers’ money on an “influencer toolkit”, The Telegraph can reveal.
The Corbynite MP for Coventry South is being urged to explain why she used parliamentary expenses to purchase an LED ring light designed for “Youtube video shooting, photography or makeup”, as well as a Canon camera and a professional microphone.
Ms Sultana frequently contributes high-quality videos to Double Down News, a left-wing online news channel, with recent features including a clip of her “unboxing political freebies” in her parliamentary office.
She has also amassed more than 100,000 followers on 1.8 million likes on her personal TikTok account, as well as 85,000 followers on Instagram.
Questions about Ms Sultana’s expenses claims come as another prominent Labour MP, Dawn Butler, faces criticism for claiming more than £200 for professional microphone and recording devices usually found in DJ sets.
Ms Sultana claims her purchases were for constituency and constituency purposes, but did not respond to a request to show examples of the equipment contributing to such work. Instead, critics claim she neglected the spirit of the expenses system.
The chief executive of the TaxPayers’ Alliance, John O’Connell said that “taxpayers will be deeply concerned that their money has been spent on an expensive influencer tool kit.”
Mr O’Connell added: “The electorate expects politicians to stay grounded and keep costs under control, particularly when it comes to high-end digital equipment. With the economy and public finances in such dire straits, MPs must show that we’re all in it together and think carefully about what they claim for.”
That sentiment was shared by a senior Labour parliamentary staffer with knowledge of the expenses process, who said: “Whether or not it’s a justified claim, filing for a ring light just looks foul.”
Ms Sultana has previously come under scrutiny for claiming £1,193 for a new iPhone, having said that her previous one stopped working, and was separately forced to repay £2,800 after claiming for “consultancy work” which was later found to be outside the rules. The work is believed to have involved the designing of her website.
More recently, the maverick MP was forced to pay back £25 she claimed for a yoga class, which parliamentary authorities bluntly said was “not claimable under the [expenses] scheme”.
MPs’ expenses have come under greater scrutiny in recent weeks, after it was revealed that they collectively spent nearly £40,000 of taxpayers’ money on Apple laptops, wireless earphones, iPhones and iPads during the pandemic.
A spokesperson for Zarah Sultana said: “For an MP’s office to purchase digital equipment like this is common, absolutely within the rules, and supports their Parliamentary and constituency work.
“Rest assured that this report will not deter Zarah in campaigning against poverty and inequality, and in building a world for the many, not just the few.”
A spokesperson for IPSA said that while “equipment to support digital communication is claimable where it relates to parliamentary work”, it is down to MPs to explain the specific parliamentary reasons behind the purchases.
Labour MP spent over £700 of taxpayers money on 'influencers toolkit'
Zarah Sultana used taxpayer funds to purchase a ring light, among other digital productswww.telegraph.co.uk
Conservative MP Karl McCartney claimed £20,000 in expenses for work done by campaign donor's firm
Karl McCartney made claims totalling more than £20,000 for consultancy work carried out by a company run by a former donor.
www.google.co.uk
stupot07
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Independent, I and the financial Times are classed as not endorsing either party in the 2019 election
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chiefdave
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What a bizarre article. MP buys equipment to enable them to engage with their constituents.Labour MP spent over £700 of taxpayers money on 'influencers toolkit'
Zarah Sultana, the Corbyn-supporting MP for Coventry South with 85,000 followers on Instagram, used her expense account to buy equipment
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Rising star Labour MP Zarah Sultana, who regularly features in videos for left-wing Youtube channels, has spent almost £800 of taxpayers’ money on an “influencer toolkit”, The Telegraph can reveal.
The Corbynite MP for Coventry South is being urged to explain why she used parliamentary expenses to purchase an LED ring light designed for “Youtube video shooting, photography or makeup”, as well as a Canon camera and a professional microphone.
Ms Sultana frequently contributes high-quality videos to Double Down News, a left-wing online news channel, with recent features including a clip of her “unboxing political freebies” in her parliamentary office.
She has also amassed more than 100,000 followers on 1.8 million likes on her personal TikTok account, as well as 85,000 followers on Instagram.
Questions about Ms Sultana’s expenses claims come as another prominent Labour MP, Dawn Butler, faces criticism for claiming more than £200 for professional microphone and recording devices usually found in DJ sets.
Ms Sultana claims her purchases were for constituency and constituency purposes, but did not respond to a request to show examples of the equipment contributing to such work. Instead, critics claim she neglected the spirit of the expenses system.
The chief executive of the TaxPayers’ Alliance, John O’Connell said that “taxpayers will be deeply concerned that their money has been spent on an expensive influencer tool kit.”
Mr O’Connell added: “The electorate expects politicians to stay grounded and keep costs under control, particularly when it comes to high-end digital equipment. With the economy and public finances in such dire straits, MPs must show that we’re all in it together and think carefully about what they claim for.”
That sentiment was shared by a senior Labour parliamentary staffer with knowledge of the expenses process, who said: “Whether or not it’s a justified claim, filing for a ring light just looks foul.”
Ms Sultana has previously come under scrutiny for claiming £1,193 for a new iPhone, having said that her previous one stopped working, and was separately forced to repay £2,800 after claiming for “consultancy work” which was later found to be outside the rules. The work is believed to have involved the designing of her website.
More recently, the maverick MP was forced to pay back £25 she claimed for a yoga class, which parliamentary authorities bluntly said was “not claimable under the [expenses] scheme”.
MPs’ expenses have come under greater scrutiny in recent weeks, after it was revealed that they collectively spent nearly £40,000 of taxpayers’ money on Apple laptops, wireless earphones, iPhones and iPads during the pandemic.
A spokesperson for Zarah Sultana said: “For an MP’s office to purchase digital equipment like this is common, absolutely within the rules, and supports their Parliamentary and constituency work.
“Rest assured that this report will not deter Zarah in campaigning against poverty and inequality, and in building a world for the many, not just the few.”
A spokesperson for IPSA said that while “equipment to support digital communication is claimable where it relates to parliamentary work”, it is down to MPs to explain the specific parliamentary reasons behind the purchases.
Labour MP spent over £700 of taxpayers money on 'influencers toolkit'
Zarah Sultana used taxpayer funds to purchase a ring light, among other digital products
Personally I find having a more accessible MP a plus. I've heard more from her in 18 months than I have from every other MP I've had over the last 30 years combined! Don't agree with a lot of it but I least I know what my MP is doing which is a welcome change.
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Agree, it does seem a very trivial article, but I think the point that this sort of thing should come out of a MPs allowance rather than expenses is clear, and I did note she also chose an expensive iphone, also not an expenses item. So, bit naughty but that's all.
She is very good at getting publicity, I agree, just not always the best publicity e.g standing up in a park and calling Israelis racists.
shmmeee
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Labour MP spent over £700 of taxpayers money on 'influencers toolkit'
Zarah Sultana, the Corbyn-supporting MP for Coventry South with 85,000 followers on Instagram, used her expense account to buy equipment
View attachment 20186
Rising star Labour MP Zarah Sultana, who regularly features in videos for left-wing Youtube channels, has spent almost £800 of taxpayers’ money on an “influencer toolkit”, The Telegraph can reveal.
The Corbynite MP for Coventry South is being urged to explain why she used parliamentary expenses to purchase an LED ring light designed for “Youtube video shooting, photography or makeup”, as well as a Canon camera and a professional microphone.
Ms Sultana frequently contributes high-quality videos to Double Down News, a left-wing online news channel, with recent features including a clip of her “unboxing political freebies” in her parliamentary office.
She has also amassed more than 100,000 followers on 1.8 million likes on her personal TikTok account, as well as 85,000 followers on Instagram.
Questions about Ms Sultana’s expenses claims come as another prominent Labour MP, Dawn Butler, faces criticism for claiming more than £200 for professional microphone and recording devices usually found in DJ sets.
Ms Sultana claims her purchases were for constituency and constituency purposes, but did not respond to a request to show examples of the equipment contributing to such work. Instead, critics claim she neglected the spirit of the expenses system.
The chief executive of the TaxPayers’ Alliance, John O’Connell said that “taxpayers will be deeply concerned that their money has been spent on an expensive influencer tool kit.”
Mr O’Connell added: “The electorate expects politicians to stay grounded and keep costs under control, particularly when it comes to high-end digital equipment. With the economy and public finances in such dire straits, MPs must show that we’re all in it together and think carefully about what they claim for.”
That sentiment was shared by a senior Labour parliamentary staffer with knowledge of the expenses process, who said: “Whether or not it’s a justified claim, filing for a ring light just looks foul.”
Ms Sultana has previously come under scrutiny for claiming £1,193 for a new iPhone, having said that her previous one stopped working, and was separately forced to repay £2,800 after claiming for “consultancy work” which was later found to be outside the rules. The work is believed to have involved the designing of her website.
More recently, the maverick MP was forced to pay back £25 she claimed for a yoga class, which parliamentary authorities bluntly said was “not claimable under the [expenses] scheme”.
MPs’ expenses have come under greater scrutiny in recent weeks, after it was revealed that they collectively spent nearly £40,000 of taxpayers’ money on Apple laptops, wireless earphones, iPhones and iPads during the pandemic.
A spokesperson for Zarah Sultana said: “For an MP’s office to purchase digital equipment like this is common, absolutely within the rules, and supports their Parliamentary and constituency work.
“Rest assured that this report will not deter Zarah in campaigning against poverty and inequality, and in building a world for the many, not just the few.”
A spokesperson for IPSA said that while “equipment to support digital communication is claimable where it relates to parliamentary work”, it is down to MPs to explain the specific parliamentary reasons behind the purchases.
Labour MP spent over £700 of taxpayers money on 'influencers toolkit'
Zarah Sultana used taxpayer funds to purchase a ring light, among other digital products
That’s not a lot really and communicating is kinda their job, see the £1.5m press office we won’t be using.
And £40k to kit out 600 people plus staff isn’t bad at all.
stupot07
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Interesting looking at her expenses, she's bought the phone and her monthly bill is £13 per month.
I looked at one of the the new Conservative mps Kate Griffiths, her contract is £66ppm, theres no doubt that is also a top of the range phone.
What comes out better value for money?£700-900 for the handset plus £13*24 contract for 2 years = £1,012-1,212
Or £66 per months for 2 years £1,584
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Ian1779
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Boris and his cabinet members just spent 40K of taxpayers money at Just Eat. But get outraged at £700 why not.Labour MP spent over £700 of taxpayers money on 'influencers toolkit'
Zarah Sultana, the Corbyn-supporting MP for Coventry South with 85,000 followers on Instagram, used her expense account to buy equipment
View attachment 20186
Rising star Labour MP Zarah Sultana, who regularly features in videos for left-wing Youtube channels, has spent almost £800 of taxpayers’ money on an “influencer toolkit”, The Telegraph can reveal.
The Corbynite MP for Coventry South is being urged to explain why she used parliamentary expenses to purchase an LED ring light designed for “Youtube video shooting, photography or makeup”, as well as a Canon camera and a professional microphone.
Ms Sultana frequently contributes high-quality videos to Double Down News, a left-wing online news channel, with recent features including a clip of her “unboxing political freebies” in her parliamentary office.
She has also amassed more than 100,000 followers on 1.8 million likes on her personal TikTok account, as well as 85,000 followers on Instagram.
Questions about Ms Sultana’s expenses claims come as another prominent Labour MP, Dawn Butler, faces criticism for claiming more than £200 for professional microphone and recording devices usually found in DJ sets.
Ms Sultana claims her purchases were for constituency and constituency purposes, but did not respond to a request to show examples of the equipment contributing to such work. Instead, critics claim she neglected the spirit of the expenses system.
The chief executive of the TaxPayers’ Alliance, John O’Connell said that “taxpayers will be deeply concerned that their money has been spent on an expensive influencer tool kit.”
Mr O’Connell added: “The electorate expects politicians to stay grounded and keep costs under control, particularly when it comes to high-end digital equipment. With the economy and public finances in such dire straits, MPs must show that we’re all in it together and think carefully about what they claim for.”
That sentiment was shared by a senior Labour parliamentary staffer with knowledge of the expenses process, who said: “Whether or not it’s a justified claim, filing for a ring light just looks foul.”
Ms Sultana has previously come under scrutiny for claiming £1,193 for a new iPhone, having said that her previous one stopped working, and was separately forced to repay £2,800 after claiming for “consultancy work” which was later found to be outside the rules. The work is believed to have involved the designing of her website.
More recently, the maverick MP was forced to pay back £25 she claimed for a yoga class, which parliamentary authorities bluntly said was “not claimable under the [expenses] scheme”.
MPs’ expenses have come under greater scrutiny in recent weeks, after it was revealed that they collectively spent nearly £40,000 of taxpayers’ money on Apple laptops, wireless earphones, iPhones and iPads during the pandemic.
A spokesperson for Zarah Sultana said: “For an MP’s office to purchase digital equipment like this is common, absolutely within the rules, and supports their Parliamentary and constituency work.
“Rest assured that this report will not deter Zarah in campaigning against poverty and inequality, and in building a world for the many, not just the few.”
A spokesperson for IPSA said that while “equipment to support digital communication is claimable where it relates to parliamentary work”, it is down to MPs to explain the specific parliamentary reasons behind the purchases.
Labour MP spent over £700 of taxpayers money on 'influencers toolkit'
Zarah Sultana used taxpayer funds to purchase a ring light, among other digital products
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Given the possible examples of waste and corruption I'm not sure that providing hot food for nightshift workers is one of them. Boo, down with the workers!
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Just feed them from one of the many successful foodbanks this government has managed to bless us with
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
Well-Known Member
Because if they weren't they wouldn't have joined the Tories. Plus I think their records speak for themselves, Thatcher's esp. Gove is another from 'low stock' but clearly believes that was 'beneath him' and he's better than the average person. When in reality he's just another power-hungry deluded little gobshite.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
You really have a massive chip on your shoulder - thatcher would have dealt with this crises better than any of the pipsqueak politicians we now have. Even trying to compare her to insignificant worms like Corbyn and Starmer is genuinely hilarious
Ian1779
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Outstanding idea - free hot food for all public sector night shift workers.
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Deleted member 4439
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How very socialist of you Sir. I'm sure they're very grateful for your appreciation of their volunteer covid efforts.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I wonder how they'd react if someone suggested that their holiday should be cut on account of the need to catch up on the NHS waiting list, and the government hired a 'tsar' to whip them into shape.
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You have to laugh, here's some nightshift workers, who will have volunteered to work the shift, getting free burgers, and there's uproar.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Really?
Ian1779
Well-Known Member
But there isn’t... in fact there’s more uproar from the Telegraph in your posting of the £700 story.
Where's the evidence that these takeaways for night shift volunteers?
Because everything seems to suggest that Boris and Carrie had £27k worth of takeaways smuggled into no10, some of it paid for by Tory donors.
Yet someone from Labour spent 700 quid? Hang her!
Of course Johnson didn't want to feed children living in poverty but spends 800 quid a week on takeaways. Fuck that fat c**t (and anyone defending him).
Because everything seems to suggest that Boris and Carrie had £27k worth of takeaways smuggled into no10, some of it paid for by Tory donors.
Yet someone from Labour spent 700 quid? Hang her!
Of course Johnson didn't want to feed children living in poverty but spends 800 quid a week on takeaways. Fuck that fat c**t (and anyone defending him).
Sky Blue Pete
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Mirror story about money to the very wealthy over the last year makes you weep. We really do need an alternative vision of a more just and fair future
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
They spent £37B on a track and trace system that still doesn’t work. But get outraged at £40k why not
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
Now that would be uplifting.Just feed them from one of the many successful foodbanks this government has managed to bless us with
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
I need a new job. When I’m at work I have to feed myself. I always thought that was normal but apparently I’m the odd one out.
skybluetony176
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Butler smuggled £27,000 organic takeaways into No.10
Prime Minister Boris Johnson faced fresh questions last night as the full story of the secret operation to supply him with £27,000 worth of luxury food at no.10 was disclosed.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Scrounging c**t.Butler smuggled £27,000 organic takeaways into No.10
Prime Minister Boris Johnson faced fresh questions last night as the full story of the secret operation to supply him with £27,000 worth of luxury food at no.10 was disclosed.www.google.co.uk
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Lots of the Dead Labour Losers Society up early this ready to spout another day of utter irrelevant nonsense no doubt
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