Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (119 Viewers)

[fernandopartridge]

Hospitalisations accelerating in Bolton apparently

 

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[Saddlebrains]

Hospitalisations accelerating in Bolton apparently

Link?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Just looking at vaccination numbers and how skewed they are by the relative 'age' of a place, Coventry as a young city is quite vulnerable as vaccination rate below UK average, I suspect most other cities are similar. That said, it's done OK covid wise.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Just looking at vaccination numbers and how skewed they are by the relative 'age' of a place, Coventry as a young city is quite vulnerable as vaccination rate below UK average, I suspect most other cities are similar. That said, it's done OK covid wise.

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Where did you get this from?

 

[Saddlebrains]

Id be willing to say with confidence that any hospitalisations that may rise will be in the unvaccinated.

At a push you may see a few jabbed once going into hospital.


However as long as it isnt the double jabbed or at risk, its surely safe to carry on unlocking?

 

[Grendel]

Id be willing to say with confidence that any hospitalisations that may rise will be in the unvaccinated.

At a push you may see a few jabbed once going into hospital.


However as long as it isnt the double jabbed or at risk, its surely safe to carry on unlocking?

Most are well down

England's 10 hospital trusts with most Covid patients as Bolton sees sharp rise

Encouraging data shows the number of hospital patients with Covid has more than halved in all regions in England, raising hopes that lockdown restrictions can be lifted on June 21

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[fernandopartridge]

Where did you get this from?

UKHSA data dashboard

Overall summary of the respiratory viruses in circulation within the UK

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Scotland now doing jabs for 18-30 year olds, how long do you think it will be before we have that in England

 

[fernandopartridge]

Most are well down

England's 10 hospital trusts with most Covid patients as Bolton sees sharp rise

Encouraging data shows the number of hospital patients with Covid has more than halved in all regions in England, raising hopes that lockdown restrictions can be lifted on June 21

www.mirror.co.uk

God the Reach group or whatever get worse.

According to that story 63 people in hospital in the entire north west, but the combined numbers of 3 Trusts in Greater Manchester are 79.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Scotland now doing jabs for 18-30 year olds, how long do you think it will be before we have that in England

Think they’re hoping for under 30s by the end of the week. not sure if they’re splitting into sub age groups/ranges through...I’d lump them all in together

 

[Evo1883]

If anyone fancies a wank

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Had 2 , cheers

 

[shmmeee]

Genuinely hope they find this agency and charge them with something. Anything. Even a parking fine.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Figures going nowhere June 21st looks fine

 

[CCFCSteve]

Figures going nowhere June 21st looks fine

I’ve been keeping an eye on hospitalisations and there is a bit of an uptick (PHE page). Just hoping this is higher risk groups that haven’t been vaccinated (guessing from the Indian variant hot spots) and the case rate remains steady. The next week or two should provide a clearer picture. Keeping fingers crossed that the high vaccine uptake keeps things in check

 

[David O'Day]

Ministers urged to clarify travel advice for England’s Covid hotspots

Guidance about Bolton and seven other areas apparently put online without announcement

www.theguardian.com

lol

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I’ve been keeping an eye on hospitalisations and there is a bit of an uptick (PHE page). Just hoping this is higher risk groups that haven’t been vaccinated (guessing from the Indian variant hot spots) and the case rate remains steady. The next week or two should provide a clearer picture. Keeping fingers crossed that the high vaccine uptake keeps things in check

If the Indian variant really is an issue then I don’t see why compulsory vaccination is not being considered in these areas. Medical necessity trumps believing nonsense on Facebook

 

[David O'Day]

Covid: Royal Bolton Hospital taking 'urgent action' over virus

Royal Bolton Hospital says it has experienced one of its busiest ever days amid a surge in patients.

www.bbc.co.uk

Make of it what you will

 

[Saddlebrains]

Covid: Royal Bolton Hospital taking 'urgent action' over virus

Royal Bolton Hospital says it has experienced one of its busiest ever days amid a surge in patients.

www.bbc.co.uk

Make of it what you will

It needs context.

Nowhere does it say if they were vaccinated or not.

If not then we can carry on with June 21st. Only way thats a worry is if its double vaccinated people

 

[Sick Boy]

Things are looking A LOT better here as well.

 

[David O'Day]

It needs context.

Nowhere does it say if they were vaccinated or not.

If not then we can carry on with June 21st. Only way thats a worry is if its double vaccinated people

It doesn't need context it simply shows that it could increase the hospitalisations in areas which is just as much of a problem as the death rate due to the knock on effect.

It's something that does need an eye keeping on

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It needs context.

Nowhere does it say if they were vaccinated or not.

If not then we can carry on with June 21st. Only way thats a worry is if its double vaccinated people

It is a worry if we determine that all those who refused a jab but are at risk of hospitalisation runs into a big enough number for NHS overwhelm

 

[fernandopartridge]

It needs context.

Nowhere does it say if they were vaccinated or not.

If not then we can carry on with June 21st. Only way thats a worry is if its double vaccinated people

It does indirectly, majority unvaccinated and only recently eligible to be, ie under 40. It says some were eligible for both jabs but the way its worded suggests they hadn't taken up the offer.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Some of the data published is absolutely useless mind. NHS England publishes age band admission data weekly (even though it will come from the same collection as the daily reports published no doubt). It has a cohort that is aged 18-54, what the fuck are you supposed to do with that?

 

[CCFCSteve]

Some of the data published is absolutely useless mind. NHS England publishes age band admission data weekly (even though it will come from the same collection as the daily reports published no doubt). It has a cohort that is aged 18-54, what the fuck are you supposed to do with that?

The sceptic in me always felt this was done intentionally because if you split it into smaller groupings like the other age ranges the younger uns would see it’s unlikely to impact them so may be less likely to follow restrictions.

There’s been loads of manipulation of stats by the government and scientific advisors throughout the pandemic

Ps some more positive news on PHE hospital covid inpatients, shot up yesterday (partially weekend catch up but concerning) from 756 to 797 but reduced again to 765 today. Also read Bolton case numbers flatlining so fingers crossed the spike just related to large numbers returning from high transmission area at same time (happened with Spanish hols last summer apparently and then settled back down)

 

[MusicDating]

The sceptic in me always felt this was done intentionally because if you split it into smaller groupings like the other age ranges the younger uns would see it’s unlikely to impact them so may be less likely to follow restrictions.

There’s been loads of manipulation of stats by the government and scientific advisors throughout the pandemic

Ps some more positive news on PHE hospital covid inpatients, shot up yesterday (partially weekend catch up but concerning) from 756 to 797 but reduced again to 765 today. Also read Bolton case numbers flatlining so fingers crossed the spike just related to large numbers returning from high transmission area at same time (happened with Spanish hols last summer apparently and then settled back down)

People in hospital peaked at just over 34,000 in Jan and now we at 765. Modellers reckon we could head back to those peaks. I really struggle to work that out considering the vaccination numbers.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

People in hospital peaked at just over 34,000 in Jan and now we at 765. Modellers reckon we could head back to those peaks. I really struggle to work that out considering the vaccination numbers.

Much depends on how many 50+ and CEV are unvaccinated

 

[fernandopartridge]

People in hospital peaked at just over 34,000 in Jan and now we at 765. Modellers reckon we could head back to those peaks. I really struggle to work that out considering the vaccination numbers.

Yeah, I do too but the percentage unvaccinated is still large enough to cause a major problem to the NHS, it's just hard to foresee such a rapid growth isn't it?

I think some of the modelling doesn't factor in the nervousness that a lot of people have about social mixing or the continued home working policies from many employers.

 

[David O'Day]

Yeah, I do too but the percentage unvaccinated is still large enough to cause a major problem to the NHS, it's just hard to foresee such a rapid growth isn't it?

I think some of the modelling doesn't factor in the nervousness that a lot of people have about social mixing or the continued home working policies from many employers.

I think it will depend on where we are with vaccinations on the 21st

 

[shmmeee]

Even if the vax is 95% effective, with 100% uptake, 70m people means 3.5m people infected. And efficacy won’t be that high nor will take up.

 

[chiefdave]

Really hope we're not going to mess this up when we're on the brink of getting back to something approaching normal.

The local lockdowns seem a complete shambles. Stuck on a government website on a Friday night and didn't think to let anyone in a position of authority in those areas know. Now you have local councils saying they have no idea what is going on and as far as they are concerned nothing has changed. One of the places its advised not to travel in or out of is Hounslow, now which borough is Heathrow in again?

And following on from the confusion about the traffic light system last week which ended up with the government claiming there was no confusion and it was perfectly clear to everyone it seems that this week will see 100K British tourists arrive in Spain. Spain of course being on the amber list which means you can't go on holiday there.

 

[David O'Day]

Really hope we're not going to mess this up when we're on the brink of getting back to something approaching normal.

The local lockdowns seem a complete shambles. Stuck on a government website on a Friday night and didn't think to let anyone in a position of authority in those areas know. Now you have local councils saying they have no idea what is going on and as far as they are concerned nothing has changed. One of the places its advised not to travel in or out of is Hounslow, now which borough is Heathrow in again?

And following on from the confusion about the traffic light system last week which ended up with the government claiming there was no confusion and it was perfectly clear to everyone it seems that this week will see 100K British tourists arrive in Spain. Spain of course being on the amber list which means you can't go on holiday there.

They've already had to say it is just guidance and not the law

 

[wingy]

Even if the vax is 95% effective, with 100% uptake, 70m people means 3.5m people infected. And efficacy won’t be that high nor will take up.

95% what though.
Are the vaccines not also capable of stopping transmission ,and at around 70% herd immunity kicks in?

 

[David O'Day]

95% what though.
Are the vaccines not also capable of stopping transmission ,and at around 70% herd immunity kicks in?

At the moment it's likely the efficiency % is the % stopping symptoms etc and you likely can still transmit the virus if you have been vaccianted.

 

[shmmeee]

95% what though.
Are the vaccines not also capable of stopping transmission ,and at around 70% herd immunity kicks in?

Yeah just fag packet maths, but I think people forget small percentages of very large numbers are still large numbers.

 

[wingy]

At the moment it's likely the efficiency % is the % stopping symptoms etc and you likely can still transmit the virus if you have been vaccianted.

I thought I'd seen stuff out of Israel is projecting the effect on transmission was similar to the actual efficacy against catching the darned thing?