Grendel
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Labour had 622 votes
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Labour had 622 votes
Grendel
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Labour were the second highest party in 2017 with 11,000 votes. The minute they try and manipulate results is the day they totally disappear as a political party
Brighton Sky Blue
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And to think some people say there is still a path back to a Labour government
shmmeee
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You need to take a step back. What’s happening is a demographic realignment and bugger all to do with any of the leaders.
If Labour want to survive it, they need to become either anti woke or much more pro business and NIMBY.
I suspect we’ll end up with the national socialism (in name only) of the Tories and the international neoliberalism of the Lib Dem’s while the Greens and Labour fight it out for the 20% student vote.
Personally I don’t think the Tories have either the wit nor the capacity to hold onto the left wing economic vote. Ultimately they are donor driven not member driven and their new voters like all voters will demand their material needs are met and they’ll have to pick between the voters and the donors. Johnson is a very special Tory and he hasn’t the energy to last like Blair or Thatcher did. What comes next on all sides will be very interesting.
shmmeee
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You mean like the Tories did with BXP/UKIP?
Skybluefaz
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Grendel
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Not really as those parties are gone. The Lib Dem’s will hang around for ever
Grendel
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Skybluefaz
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Are there many French Chateaus in West London?
Fucking loads!
Ian1779
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That is a fair point - I wonder if it was boosted by Labour’s HS2 policy?
I wonder if the next few days will be dominated by stories about people abandoning the Tories, the blue wall crumbling and the Tories being totally unelectable in these parts like when Labour lost Hartlepool?
Of course not. It'll be brushed under the carpet and forgotten about by the media by lunchtime.
Of course not. It'll be brushed under the carpet and forgotten about by the media by lunchtime.
Philosoraptor
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Grendel
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To be honest you get these results sometimes and the Lib Dem’s it seems threw a lot at it
Lib Dem wins seat - leader says this is a new era in politics - next general election they lose it again
That said I can’t believe Labour are not alarmed at such a collapse - they wilo have to retain Batley - defeat there and where can they go
Philosoraptor
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I suspect to the end of the road for Starmer at party conference time.
Ian1779
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All you’ll hear is ‘so you want Richard Burgon?’ but the moves will come from the opposite wing of the Party.
Philosoraptor
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Imagine what fun is going to happen in September at the Labour conference when you are not allowed to put a vote through at your local branch of the Labour Party.
Philosoraptor
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Apparently, it is Labour's lowest share of the vote in a by-election since records began in 1918. Another first.
Grendel
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Well another first I would guess is coming. The first time a party in office has overturned the main opposition in two by elections
fernandopartridge
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Oh yes losing 7k votes is actually nothing to be concerned about
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This is a genuinely curious question. I can place my hand on election results in 1774, so I'm curious what 'since records began' actually means in this instance.
fernandopartridge
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So, under Kier Starmer Labour has lost two by-elections, one in the so called 'red wall' and one in the so called 'blue wall'. What's the plan here?
Philosoraptor
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I would reckon it may have something to do with Irish independence and all that.
Philosoraptor
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Philosoraptor
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Could be a complete trading of votes between various parties for the by-elections. Just got to sit back and watch what's going to happen.
Ian1779
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More flags
chiefdave
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Be interesting to see how this all plays out. A lot of vox pops this morning going with the blue wall crumbling because too much attention is being paid to the red wall but it would be very foolish to get carried away off the back of one result.
There needs to be effective opposition from somewhere because it doesn't look likes its coming any time soon from Labour. An effectively one party system is no good for anyone no matter who is in charge.
I'm amazed that a Blair & Starmer endorsed candidate hasn't roared to victory
There's no way they can spin that number of votes, losing their deposit and coming 4th as anything but a disaster. Surely they can't continue with their head in the sand everything is fine just wait for a general election mantra?Still they've got their new Stronger Together campaign, sure that'll do the trick. Worked so well for Hilary Clinton and during the Brexit campaign.
Target the tiny yellow wall ?
Be interesting to see how this all plays out. A lot of vox pops this morning going with the blue wall crumbling because too much attention is being paid to the red wall but it would be very foolish to get carried away off the back of one result.
There needs to be effective opposition from somewhere because it doesn't look likes its coming any time soon from Labour. An effectively one party system is no good for anyone no matter who is in charge.
I'm amazed that a Blair & Starmer endorsed candidate hasn't roared to victory
Still they've got their new Stronger Together campaign, sure that'll do the trick. Worked so well for Hilary Clinton and during the Brexit campaign.
There is no doubt some areas with the combo of high remain vote/south of England (feeling ignored) will move away from Tories. Starmer needs these but looks like Lib Dem’s will make it a battle
Brighton Sky Blue
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I think it requires a formal Lib-Lab-Green alliance to be honest.