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Grendel

Grendel

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Why’s that?
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Probably as he doesn’t believe in their politics what you are trying to create is a belief that Labour aren’t good enough to govern so whore your principals to any non Tory that may win a seat
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Why’s that?
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I won’t vote for science deniers or Tories, I’m a rational left winger 🤷

Both would and have side against Labour when push came to shove. (Coalition and Scotland for two recent examples).

Greens are anti GMO and anti Nuclear which makes them pro climate change and hunger. Plus they have a member created manifesto which is just batshit.

Lib Dem’s are the worst of all worlds, overly woke nonsense mixed with soft Tory economics. Lala land all round.
 
Philosoraptor

Philosoraptor

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shmmeee said:
Id rather not vote than vote Green or Lib Dem, sorry.
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You should get someone from the Labour Party in Coventry to go on the local radio and say they are voting green at election time. It would go down well with everyone.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Grendel said:
Probably as he doesn’t believe in their politics what you are trying to create is a belief that Labour aren’t good enough to govern so whore your principals to any non Tory that may win a seat
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Well no I’m talking about places where Labour won’t win but a few thousand votes directed to the non Tory is enough to win. This has been common enough in Scotland with anti-SNP tactical voting for years. I don’t want the Tories in government, I don’t really care which of Lab/Lib/Grn replaces them where I live
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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shmmeee said:
I won’t vote for science deniers or Tories, I’m a rational left winger 🤷

Both would and have side against Labour when push came to shove. (Coalition and Scotland for two recent examples).

Greens are anti GMO and anti Nuclear which makes them pro climate change and hunger. Plus they have a member created manifesto which is just batshit.

Lib Dem’s are the worst of all worlds, overly woke nonsense mixed with soft Tory economics. Lala land all round.
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At least their candidate had more to tell me than their being a Corbynista
 
Philosoraptor

Philosoraptor

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shmmeee said:
Locally go for who you like but nationally both hate Labour more than the Tories. There’s no winning strategy for Labour that involves handing them seats.
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However, you seem to be doing this better than ever before.
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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shmmeee said:
You need to take a step back. What’s happening is a demographic realignment and bugger all to do with any of the leaders.

If Labour want to survive it, they need to become either anti woke or much more pro business and NIMBY.

I suspect we’ll end up with the national socialism (in name only) of the Tories and the international neoliberalism of the Lib Dem’s while the Greens and Labour fight it out for the 20% student vote.

Personally I don’t think the Tories have either the wit nor the capacity to hold onto the left wing economic vote. Ultimately they are donor driven not member driven and their new voters like all voters will demand their material needs are met and they’ll have to pick between the voters and the donors. Johnson is a very special Tory and he hasn’t the energy to last like Blair or Thatcher did. What comes next on all sides will be very interesting.
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To be honest a lot of that's gone over my head but what I do know is there's a growing perception that Labour are becoming an irrelevance, Starmer needs to act to stop it before its too deeply rooted.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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shmmeee said:
Locally go for who you like but nationally both hate Labour more than the Tories. There’s no winning strategy for Labour that involves handing them seats.
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Given that Labour will never win a GE again, the next best option is as many non Tories as possible in the Commons. The realignment taking place only benefits the blue side
 
Philosoraptor

Philosoraptor

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Come on guys, don't swallow this shite about realignment. It's about Labour abandoning their core vote to grasp at the centre-ground and failing miserably, and then their core vote going elsewhere giving huge losses to the party.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Philosorapter said:
Come on guys, don't swallow this shite about realignment. It's about Labour abandoning their core vote to grasp at the centre-ground and failing miserably, and then their core vote going elsewhere giving huge losses to the party.
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Ah yes their core vote of *checks notes* Amersham. Where they have come second a grand total of *squints at notes again* once, with 21% of the vote, in the Brexit election which was a two horse race.
 
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Having been to Amersham a few times (nice place, nice pub!), my biggest surprise is that Labour ever came second in a consituency there, at all.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Grendel said:
Well the Tories did
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What is the path to Labour winning? Because from where I'm standing, Scotland is lost for good, the North isn't coming back any time soon which leaves Wales, London and some parts of the Midlands. The party isn't exactly going to make inroads in North East Somerset
 
SBAndy

SBAndy

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
What is the path to Labour winning? Because from where I'm standing, Scotland is lost for good, the North isn't coming back any time soon which leaves Wales, London and some parts of the Midlands. The party isn't exactly going to make inroads in North East Somerset
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Why is Scotland lost for good? You’re bound to know an awful lot more than me on this, but I think it’s probably where they could make the most inroads (aside from flipping back the ‘red wall’).
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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SBAndy said:
Why is Scotland lost for good? You’re bound to know an awful lot more than me on this, but I think it’s probably where they could make the most inroads (aside from flipping back the ‘red wall’).
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Because Labour in Scotland is trying to appeal to left wing unionists, which is always going to be a small chunk of the electorate. By and large most Scottish lefties are for independence while most unionists are inclined to be Conservative. It's pretty much just Rangers fans left voting Labour up there, with some leafy Edinburgh surbubanites thrown in
 
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