covmark
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You're not alone mate. A lot of people I know have done the same, myself included.
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Brighton Sky Blue
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So ‘big science’ comes along with a potential solution to a long existing problem and you think the problem actually came first?
Brighton Sky Blue
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I will still wear a mask wherever I am asked to, got second jab yesterday and would get myself tested if I had symptoms. To me that is me doing what I reasonably can, not locking myself away for 10 days even if I give a negative PCR the next day
Nick
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How long did it take for them to get you out?
Sky Blue Pete
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I don’t blame you. The fundamental truth is the app saves lives. Statistically as it festers for a bit if we walk around infecting others not realising we are positive all that will happen is the virus will take hold. Whitty has warned today is restrictions back in 5 weeks. Oh well I just wish johnson would be honest. 100000 infections a day means many people in close contact with the virus. Moaning about the app is madness. They both knew what would happen why not plan for it. That was my point
Brighton Sky Blue
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The app has also caused carnage in school these past few months and is closing businesses already from making staff isolate. At least allow the isolation to stop if they test negative?
Sky Blue Pete
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That would require proper planning. No problem with testing after 3 days and if negative get back to normal for me. Why aren’t we? No point whinging at an app that is there to reduce infection and all that comes with that even if vaccinations have protected broad swathes of vulnerable adults
Sky Blue Pete
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You can still be contacted by track and trace and do you not understand how it works???
Nick
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How can I?
Sky Blue Pete
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Positive cases are phoned and a list is taken of their close contacts who are then contacted and asked to self isolate
Sky Blue Pete
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However with 100000 a day the perventage of people contacted will reduce dramatically
Brighton Sky Blue
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We had a lot of kids barred from coming back to school despite having a negative PCR. You tell me how that makes any sense, because I don’t see it. What really has playing by the rules got us this past 18 months, we are both at the point of saying sod it let’s put ourselves first in the window we’re allowed before Boris makes school hell for another year
Nick
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OK so in reality.....
Do you really think somebody is going to sit and think about everybody they have seen in the past week or so and send all of their numbers over?
Sky Blue Pete
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Not really at you but you are a member of society so it is as much at you as me.
The virus lies dormant for up to 7 days usually up to 3 in high percentages so if we can stop people mixing when positive and they don’t know jobs a goodun.
People far cleverer than me can explain the science and statistics but if we have 100000 infections a day and they are in close contact with 5 people each who don’t know they are you can see how quite easily taking away masks and social distancing we have a bloody problem
Like I say it shouldn’t be down to you and me and Nick to make this clear it should be sajid and Boris but they’ve given up I think
Sky Blue Pete
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That’s exactly what happens Nick and has been for a long time during this. It’s why places like Singapore were able to use track and trace initially. I’m not saying it’s the one thing it’s all things and we know so much now we didn’t. I’m not even saying we shouldn’t just scrap it but I am saying level with us. 100000 infections a day is 2.5m a month. It’s 5 times that many close contacts and it’s gonna mean we should be cautiously optimistic and wear masks and socially distance for a while longer.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The whole point of isolation is ‘well what if you have it and don’t realise’. If I am telling you that we know beyond reasonable doubt that someone doesn’t have it why are we forcing them to stay inside knowing that they will have to miss education or work as a consequence? The PCR test we accept for entrants to the country but not back into society.
I don’t blame you for deleting the app although from my understanding if you get contacted by track and trace team it’s a legal requirement to self isolate however the app is advisory. I think this has been left intentionally ambiguous by gov/nhs but feel free to have a look into it
From my perspective if I get pinged then I’ll do some LFs and/or get PCR (if I’ve got any symptoms) to give peace of mind that I’m not passing it onto someone high risk if actually positive and if clear after a few days will carry on with life
Just googled to double check and found these
NHS contact-tracing app's self-isolation requests 'not legal requirement'
The Health Secretary has confused things on the day the app launched
Britons contacted by NHS Covid app do not have to self-isolate by law
Anyone contacted by an NHS Test and Trace worker does have to self-isolate, but the laws do not apply to those with the app, which now has 14million users in the UK.
www.google.co.uk
Actual advice
Ps I don’t take any responsibility if people ignore app and get fined by the way !!! Just flagging what I read !
Sky Blue Pete
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I agree with you!
That should be the plan. Isolate and take test after how ever many days the medics say is sensible and if negative get yourself back out
Nick
Administrator
Like I said, in reality.
I can categorically tell you that really doesn't happen if people don't have the app.
If I play football tonight with a few of my mates who are self employed and next week it turns out I have COVID. Do you think I'm going to sit and list them all and make them lose 10 days pay? Yeah I'd tell them to go and get a test and make their own minds up.
As I said there's 2 different worlds. Some people are sat at home, maybe been on furlough or WFH for the past couple of years and will analyze graphs and worry about infection rates.
Others have had to work all the way through and business as usual as much as possible, else they don't eat.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I don’t blame you for deleting the app although from my understanding if you get contacted by track and trace team it’s a legal requirement to self isolate however the app is advisory. I think this has been left intentionally ambiguous by gov/nhs but feel free to have a look into it
From my perspective if I get pinged then I’ll do some LFs and/or get PCR (if I’ve got any symptoms) to give peace of mind that I’m not passing it onto someone high risk if actually positive and if clear after a few days will carry on with life
Just googled to double check and found these
NHS contact-tracing app's self-isolation requests 'not legal requirement'
The Health Secretary has confused things on the day the app launchedwww.google.co.uk
Britons contacted by NHS Covid app do not have to self-isolate by law
Anyone contacted by an NHS Test and Trace worker does have to self-isolate, but the laws do not apply to those with the app, which now has 14million users in the UK.www.google.co.uk
Actual advice
Ps I don’t take any responsibility if people ignore app and get fined by the way !!! Just flagging what I read !
Tough question that, if I was told to isolate on the eve of my wedding and had a negative LFT would I risk the fine? Hmmm
Marty
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With modern farming techniques, and a global world there should be no shortages, it won't massively effect us due to our climate, once we see panic set in like we did with 2020 toilet rolls, it'll be a shit show, be prepared, is all I'm saying.
Nick
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Im not really sure what you are on about but panic has set in in South Africa.
Marty
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That's nothing to do with food shortages, worst thing to happen to SA was the ending of apartheid (not my words, btw).
Brighton Sky Blue
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I must say the first two posts I thought you were joking and I kind of hope you still are
Nick
Administrator
South Africa Zuma riots: Looting and unrest leaves 72 dead
At least 72 people die in days of rioting sparked by the jailing of ex-president Jacob Zuma.
www.bbc.com
Sky Blue Pete
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I know you aren’t but sounds awfully patronising and if I’m honest a little removed from the seriousness of this.
Ive not been furloughed at all but I have worked from home however even in complete lockdown I was volunteering as an nhs responder.
Of course you wouldn’t list the 5 a side lot but would you ask people you lived with????
There’s degrees of risk and close contact is close contact not passing people in the street.
As I say those personally affected with friend or family deaths or serious illness see things differently to those that haven’t
Sky Blue Pete
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Wtf
Skybluefaz
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And it's only 9:10am, wtf have people had on their cornflakes this morning?
shmmeee
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Hope so.
Marty
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South Africa Zuma riots: Looting and unrest leaves 72 dead
At least 72 people die in days of rioting sparked by the jailing of ex-president Jacob Zuma.
Again, nothing to do with food shortages, SA has had a rise in tensions for years and this has pushed it over the edge.
skybluetony176
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So long as they don’t bring in Johnny Foreigner so the food rotting in the ground remains in the ground. Which is exactly why that’s bollocks. We have food rotting in the ground, If we had GMO crops they’d still be rotting in the ground. Food shortages could be cured tomorrow by simply going plant based. Instead of growing crops to feed animals to eat those animals we can cut out the middleman and just grow crops to feed ourselves, developing countries with food shortages would stop growing animal feed for developed countries and start growing crops to feed their own people. Deforestation could be stopped in it’s tracks and be reversed as the 2 biggest reasons for deforestation are to clear land for growing animal feed and create pasture land. It doesn’t need a fake pandemic to cure food shortages it needs education and a wholesale change of culture and lifestyle choices when it comes to what we eat.
Marty
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Marty
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Why are you being racist?
Sky Blue Pete
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Irony meter has just broken