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PVA

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Astute said:
What a load of bullshit from yourself as usual.

I asked if it was or not. You know..... as debate. Are we only allowed to say it about white people? Have you ever said yourself that two people look similar? We all have. The context needs to be looked at.

Then something else comes up. That's different. But the comment I first replied to was just two people looking similar. Is it allowed?
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Are you allowed to say two people look alike? Of course.

But he didn't say that.

It's not my fault you didn't read the story properly.
 
Astute

Astute

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PVA said:
You're all missing the crux of the matter.
The fact is Jack Straw shook Robert Mugabes hand almost 20 years ago and that's the real issue of the day.
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PVA said:
NO ONE SAID A HANDSHAKE MAKES UP FOR ANY COMMENT MADE
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Liquid Gold said:
Point out where someone said a handshake made up for a comment made.

Idiots paradise coming on here from the Sunderland board.
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You were both saying......
 
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PVA

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Astute said:
You were both saying......
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Saying what? You're not making any sense.

Look I'm not trying to suggest you're a racist or anything, I just think you must have got the wrong end of the stick here because your argument is very strange and you're not making much sense.
 
Astute

Astute

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Liquid Gold said:
That literally isn't excusing it at all. Is your brain cavity filled with marshmallows?
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It doesn't matter that he said he couldn't see him in a room without much light because the handshake was of more importance.

No. The comment was also made.
 
Astute

Astute

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PVA said:
Saying what? You're not making any sense.

Look I'm not trying to suggest you're a racist or anything, I just think you must have got the wrong end of the stick here because your argument is very strange and you're not making much sense.
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You said nobody put on here that two people look alike. Yet it was you who put it up. You said nobody put more importance on a handshake than a racist comment. But it was also you that said it.

Yet I am supposed to be the one who doesn't make sense. OK.
 
Liquid Gold

Liquid Gold

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Astute said:
It doesn't matter that he said he couldn't see him in a room without much light because the handshake was of more importance.

No. The comment was also made.
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Oh my fucking christ mate.

It was a post pointing out the insanity of somebody else posting something, that nobody agrees is a good thing, that happened 17 years ago to deflect from something, that people are deflecting away from, that's happened today.

If you don't get it you are either incredibly thick or just trolling.
 
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David O'Day

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Liquid Gold said:
Oh my fucking christ mate.

It was a post pointing out the insanity of somebody else posting something, that nobody agrees is a good thing, that happened 17 years ago to deflect from something, that people are deflecting away from, that's happened today.

If you don't get it you are either incredibly thick or just trolling.
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He's thick
 
Liquid Gold

Liquid Gold

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"Hey guys I know there was a racism today but if we don't now sit through every bit of recorded racism since Cecil Rhodes set off and condemn that too then you're a a hypocrite.

I'm very smart"
 
Astute

Astute

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PVA said:
Fucking hell 😂
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Exactly.

A little secret for you. Racists and racism isn't just the Tories and UKIP. It is everywhere you look. I didn't know the rest of the story. But saying two people look similar isn't racist in itself.

At least we all agree that he shouldn't be in politics.
 
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PVA

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Astute said:
Exactly.

A little secret for you. Racists and racism isn't just the Tories and UKIP. It is everywhere you look. I didn't know the rest of the story. But saying two people look similar isn't racist in itself.
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Astute

Astute

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Liquid Gold said:
"Hey guys I know there was a racism today but if we don't now sit through every bit of recorded racism since Cecil Rhodes set off and condemn that too then you're a a hypocrite.

I'm very smart"
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So are you saying we shouldn't look back at historical racism? Do we have a time cut off? Should statues of racists continue to exist? Should we keep them to help with education? Is a football player OK to have made comments years ago? Or does it depend on your political agenda?
 
Liquid Gold

Liquid Gold

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Astute said:
So are you saying we shouldn't look back at historical racism? Do we have a time cut off? Should statues of racists continue to exist? Should we keep them to help with education? Is a football player OK to have made comments years ago? Or does it depend on your political agenda?
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How are you missing the point so spectacularly.

All racism should be condemned. Nobody has defended what Jack Straw said (fair play Grendal this has worked brilliantly).

To bring up historical racism when talking about something that is happening today is deflecting.

Do you get that very simple point?
 
Astute

Astute

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Liquid Gold said:
How are you missing the point so spectacularly.

All racism should be condemned. Nobody has defended what Jack Straw said (fair play Grendal this has worked brilliantly).

To bring up historical racism when talking about something that is happening today is deflecting.

Do you get that very simple point?
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Ah so I don't understand your last stupid message.

OK.
 
Astute

Astute

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Liquid Gold said:
I am saying that you don't allow a racist to get away with things they've done today by talking about something another racist did in the past.

Pretty easy really.
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And what a racist said in the past shouldn't be ignored because more recent racism has happened. It should all be called out.
 
Liquid Gold

Liquid Gold

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Astute said:
And what a racist said in the past shouldn't be ignored because more recent racism has happened. It should all be called out.
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But when you're talking about a serving politician being racist then bringing up everything else lets them off the hook.

Do you want us to just say all racism from every politician ever is bad no matter what the colour of the rosette then we can go back and discuss the government of today being racist?
 
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Astute

Astute

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Liquid Gold said:
But when you're talking about a serving politician being racist then bringing up everything else lets them off the hook.

Do you want us to just say all racism from every politician ever is bad no matter what the colour of the rosette then we can go back and discuss the government of today being racist?
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Are you trying to get me to agree with what I already agree with?

It wasn't me who tried to say a handshake was more important than the colour of someone's skin.

Not all Tories are racist. Not all Labour are racist. Not all white people are racist. Not all black people are non racist. Anyone who says differently has an agenda.

But saying that the Tory government is racist is saying all Tories are racist. Does this include all black Tory MP's?

They are not fit to govern. But that is a different matter.
 
Liquid Gold

Liquid Gold

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Astute said:
Are you trying to get me to agree with what I already agree with?

It wasn't me who tried to say a handshake was more important than the colour of someone's skin.

Not all Tories are racist. Not all Labour are racist. Not all white people are racist. Not all black people are non racist. Anyone who says differently has an agenda.

But saying that the Tory government is racist is saying all Tories are racist. Does this include all black Tory MP's?

They are not fit to govern. But that is a different matter.
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One Conservative MP has today been racist.

Why are you doing this?
 
Astute

Astute

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Liquid Gold said:
One Conservative MP has today been racist.

Why are you doing this?
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And I have agreed with this. Try looking back. But it doesn't make everyone involved in the Tory government a racist.

Why are you doing this?
 
Skybluefaz

Skybluefaz

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Astute said:
Are you trying to get me to agree with what I already agree with?

It wasn't me who tried to say a handshake was more important than the colour of someone's skin.

Not all Tories are racist. Not all Labour are racist. Not all white people are racist. Not all black people are non racist. Anyone who says differently has an agenda.

But saying that the Tory government is racist is saying all Tories are racist. Does this include all black Tory MP's?

They are not fit to govern. But that is a different matter.
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The sudden switch to non-racist is an interesting thing to do. If I were you I'd stop digging.
 
Liquid Gold

Liquid Gold

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Astute said:
And I have agreed with this. Try looking back. But it doesn't make everyone involved in the Tory government a racist.

Why are you doing this?
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You've said it's point scoring, it isn't racist, that it hadn't been proven he said it then went on a mad tangent about something else.
 
Astute

Astute

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Liquid Gold said:
You've said it's point scoring, it isn't racist, that it hadn't been proven he said it then went on a mad tangent about something else.
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Tory. Racist comment most important.

Labour. Handshake most important.

Both racist. Doesn't make either party racist. If it did then if racist comments were made at a game we would all be racist for supporting the same side.
 
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PVA

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Astute said:
It is considering you had been saying what you said nobody had said 🤔 🤣🤣🤣
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Can you please point out where anyone on here has said the Jack Straw incident is either:

A) perfectly fine because he's Labour
B) perfectly fine because of a handshake
 
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