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chiefdave
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We've got Birmingham, West Brom, Stoke and Millwall coming up soon. I don't share your confidence that there is little chance of a repeat. Agreed there's not usually trouble in the stadium but then for years the away supporters are miles away as numbers have been low. What is the threshold at which you think its actually worth trying to stop?
It may only be the 2nd time in 5 years (inside the stadium, certainly not outside where there is now trouble at the end of that fence on a regular basis) but 2 of those were spent in Brum, one shortened season & one behind closed doors, its been much longer since we were in the Championship and even longer since we were getting 20K plus crowds on a regular basis - must be about 15 years.
As I mentioned earlier in the thread its not only our games that have had issues at the stadium & exhibition hall. Personally if I were in charge I'd be asking why we struggle to stage events that go off without a hitch around the country.
Sky Blue Pete
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I think they may disagree with your conclusion and may want to dispassionately take a look a what happened and why and what could be done differently in the future. Lol
Liquid Gold
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I'm sure there will be a thorough investigation that comes to the conclusion that they did nothing wrong. Then they will get told unofficially to get up there quicker next time.
No accountability in the police at all.
Sky Blue Pete
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Well they are accountable and responsible along with the club for safety on the site and safety outside of the site.
Liquid Gold
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I admire your optimism
eastwoodsdustman
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My concern is that this has been put all over social media now by Derby and Cov 'fans'. Other teams will now come in numbers looking for nd expecting trouble, especially Stoke, Blues, Baggies and possibly Millwall as well.
Derby fans have been bleating that someone pulled a machete out at the Cherry Tree on Saturday which was the reason for them running. There was no evidence to support this and was more than likely just chinese whispers but other clubs fans see it and it could end pretty badly with teams thinking Cov are up for it every week.
Derby fans have been bleating that someone pulled a machete out at the Cherry Tree on Saturday which was the reason for them running. There was no evidence to support this and was more than likely just chinese whispers but other clubs fans see it and it could end pretty badly with teams thinking Cov are up for it every week.
Porkchophill
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Police seem to have taken a stance of they would rather film the trouble , and retrospectively arrest and ban rather than charge in and stop the disorder or defuse it . I think this is a dangerous action because people coked or pissed don’t think rationally ., I think it’s a dangerous tactic myself because waiting for stewards to do the job puts more people in harms way lazy policing
Sick Boy
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It's no different to how it used to be 20 years and those looking to cause trouble would hear about it anyway with social media.
pusbccfc
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Let's be honest though, it was a low category game Saturday and the police got it wrong. Same with Sunderland. It was a Cat B game when it should have been the highest.
Birmingham and Millwall will be the highest category and there will be simply too many officers for any trouble to occur.
It's also worth noting, bar the two Cov fans that broke through the stewards (both will be banned for many years now), no Derby fans got close to the Coventry end. That to me suggests that they did their job in stopping them.
It's the same 6/7 years ago when Port Vale came. There were about 40 of them who tried to 'storm' the Coventry end when all that really happened was they moved a block across and were stopped by police.
pusbccfc
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But did they though? Not one Derby fan got close to the Coventry end? Their job was to stop that happening and it worked.
David O'Day
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loads of them got a way across and it was only after did the police reinforce. Any stopping was mostly done by the stewards
pusbccfc
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But this is my point, they were still miles off.
Evo1883
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Really can't cost anymore to keep away fans In for 10 minutes ..I imagine it costs a hell of alot more to police fighting for an hour or so after the match , with arrests etc
Evo1883
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Another solution , make the 2 or 3 rows infront of it unavailable
SlowerThanPlatt
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Tuesday night and Sky should tone that down a bit. I think it was the 1-0 when Scott Dann scored was running battles outside
Bugsy
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Should of just put it in the west stand least it wouldn't get smash in and we would look after it and make the away end see when we're winning .... PUSB
Langers70
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The sensible thing to do would definitely keep them in for 10-15 minutes.Hopefully after Saturday theyve realised this.
Evo1883
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It was like this in league 2 , there were scuffles around by the away fans almost every few weeks tbh
Liquid Gold
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If the police we're up there earlier stopping the bottle throwing from both sides then there wouldn't have been any charging andit wouldn't have escalated in the way it did.
They may have prevented a full scale brawl but their lack of action contributed to it becoming a possibility one might happen.
Liquid Gold
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I think they are netted off but there is nobody up there to stop them jumping over the netting.
Langers70
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I remember a 4 all draw on a Sunday...absolute warfare afterwards.Jesus.
oakey
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For those suggesting keeping away fans in just be aware that the car parks are still pretty full of cars queueing to leave and there are still hundreds of people around at 5.30 plus the roads and shopping centre are rammed until at least an hour post match.
Unless coaches are placed outside the away end and there is a police escort for other fans it can all kick off again.
Unless coaches are placed outside the away end and there is a police escort for other fans it can all kick off again.
Moff
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Its the clubs call inside the stadium. First response is meant to be stewards, if they can’t deal with it Police come in.
As for saying the police did nothing, it didn’t look that way outside as they drew batons and faced the oncoming Derby fans.
The mistake was letting them get round on the road in the first place.
Langers70
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Fearsome bunch,always have been tbf
pusbccfc
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Most of the Derby fans who headed towards Cherry Tree were there because they couldn't access the station.
Liquid Gold
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You'd be mad if you had to live in Birmingham.
I enjoyed a bit of Digbeth but wander down the wrong road and it gets pretty dicey pretty quickly.
pusbccfc
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I certainly think they should have stepped in earlier but once they were there, they stopped any real trouble. It was mostly goading really.
I also think they would have been more than happy to allow the Coventry fan to throw the punches because they know they can throw the book at him later on.
Langers70
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Fair points....thats probably the best idea,when certain clubs visit.Its all about cost though i expect? Shouldnt be a factor though when it be comes to peoples safety ffs.
clint van damme
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Was there. Think it may have been 11.30 kick off as well. It was carnage.
WestEndAgro
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I've heard Blue's are coming down in large numbers 6,000 regardless of having tickets or not.
Think people are going to have their wits about them.
Think people are going to have their wits about them.