Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (23 Viewers)

[jordan210]

What is not following the narrative? Not being able to process that there’s a global pandemic that has killed millions of people?

The MSM narrative is fear. Fear sells. feel good stories to not make front page news. Do you remember when deaths and cases dropped that dint make front page news

Lets look at yesterday. papers pushing news that we need to close pubs and hospitality again.

 

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[Sick Boy]

The MSM narrative is fear. Fear sells. feel good stories to not make front page news.

And nothing to do with the millions around the world who’ve died over the last 18 months.

 

[Nick]

The MSM narrative is fear. Fear sells. feel good stories to not make front page news. Do you remember when deaths and cases dropped that dint make front page news

Lets look at yesterday. papers pushing news that we need to close pubs and hospitality again.

Piers Morgan Special.

 

[Marty]

Only yesterday the Australian prime minister referred to his countrymen as sheep.

 

[Nick]

And nothing to do with the millions around the world who’ve died over the last 18 months.

Doesn't excuse things being made up or purposely misleading though does it?

 

[PVA]

I posted examples in this very thread yesterday as it was obvious that's how it would be spun.

You can't see things you don't want to. It's very strange.

As far as I can see you posted two.

One of which was the DM. The other was an unnamed source.

As I said, every semi decent source says died with, not of

 

[jordan210]

And nothing to do with the millions around the world who’ve died over the last 18 months.

So that gives media and gov figures the OK to lie ?

 

[Nick]

So that gives media and gov figures the OK to lie ?

Apparently so, there are a couple of people which have justified it in this thread.

 

[Nick]

As far as I can see you posted two.

One of which was the DM. The other was an unnamed source.

As I said, every semi decent source says died with, not of

Keep looking on the t'internet at news outlets to see how scary they could spin things.

 

[Marty]

The MSM narrative is fear. Fear sells. feel good stories to not make front page news. Do you remember when deaths and cases dropped that dint make front page news

Lets look at yesterday. papers pushing news that we need to close pubs and hospitality again.

Its an engineered crisis, that serves the media only, they put out this shit and then the simpletons panic, empty shelves, more stories and the cycle repeats.

 

[Nick]

I pointed out the same about the fuel crisis which was whipped up by the media as well.

Only thing with this is that it's amazingly good timing just as there was some pressure on the government.

 

[jordan210]

I pointed out the same about the fuel crisis which was whipped up by the media as well.

Only thing with this is that it's amazingly good timing just as there was some pressure on the government.

And the toilet roll shortage

 

[Saddlebrains]

So

Any thoughts on Omicron being 30% milder than the initial virus of which the vast vast majority of us are protected from?

Seems to have been swerved

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Very alarming is that.....its going to get increasingly difficult to argue against some of the anti-vax movements by suggesting they're being fed mis-information while all the MSM are pedalling it too.....its quickly becoming a fucking alarmist panic driven farce

It's been an alarmist panic driven farce the entire time, with anyone questioning it being labelled as a conspiracy theorist.

It isn't anything unreasonable to ask questions regarding things that don't quite add up. I think more people are doing that now.

 

[jordan210]

What ever became of the video footage early on from China of people collapsing in the street

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

So

Any thoughts on Omicron being 30% milder than the initial virus of which the vast vast majority of us are protected from?

Seems to have been swerved

It could* be the beginning of the end of the pandemic.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

What ever became of the video footage early on from China of people collapsing in the street

Everything from China has gone silent. That in itself is just creepy. I genuinely have no idea what the situation is there.

 

[Nick]

Apparently, Twitter will and can ban people for saying Vaccinated people can spread the virus.

It's very strange because of the amount of racism and misinformation on there is shocking.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Everything from China has gone silent. That in itself is just creepy. I genuinely have no idea what the situation is there.

Ive thought this. Last i saw they've basically completely eradicated it.

But this is China and we know how they spin things

 

[PVA]

Keep looking on the t'internet at news outlets to see how scary they could spin things.

I don't doubt that there are some outlets spinning it as 'died of Omicron' and not from. The Daily Mail being one, and potentially others too.

What I'm saying is that any half decent media outlet is reporting it correctly. That's the vast majority.

You're actually doing some spin yourself! You've picked out a couple of sources, a very small minority, and spun it as 'the media are lying to us and spinning the narrative!'

 

[Sick Boy]

The power of Google is amazing - China faces new COVID outbreak as first Omicron case is reported

 

[Nick]

I don't doubt that there are some outlets spinning it as 'died of Omicron' and not from. The Daily Mail being one, and potentially others too.

What I'm saying is that any half decent media outlet is reporting it correctly. That's the vast majority.

You're actually doing some spin yourself! You've picked out a couple of sources, a very small minority, and spun it as 'the media are lying to us and spinning the narrative!'

I picked out some of the main ones in the UK. They will spin it with headlines and bury in small print in paragraph 72 that it was "with".

Now it's gone from:

They have reported this one Omicron death in the same way that all Covid deaths are reported which is 'deaths within 28 days of a positive Covid test'. They never say died of Covid.

I can't read what I can't see. I haven't seen any that say that.

to

What I'm saying is that any half decent media outlet is reporting it correctly

So it's gone from none to half decent... Nice Swerve.

 

[Nick]

It will be interesting to see the spread, America reported yesterday that 80% of cases were vaccinated and a third of that boosted.

How is a vaccine pass going to make much difference IF that trend carries on?

 

[Evo1883]

So we're all at panic stations for something that's 30% less severe than what we're all at least double jabbed against.


this reaction at the minute stinks

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Which was milder than delta too ? The original varient that is ? Or is that not correct

 

[Nick]

Raab has himself said on Live TV

"1 death FROM Omicron"

It's as if they don't really have a clue themselves.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

It will be interesting to see the spread, America reported yesterday that 80% of cases were vaccinated and a third of that boosted.

How is a vaccine pass going to make much difference IF that trend carries on?

Looking at France.....I'd say they'll probably make jack shit of difference....

 

[chiefdave]

Any thoughts on Omicron being 30% milder than the initial virus of which the vast vast majority of us are protected from?

Seems to have been swerved

The issue I've seen mentioned by people who seem to check out as knowing what they are on about and not people trying to whip up a frenzy is that the increased transmission more than offsets the reduced severity. That potentially means that overall the number of hospitalisations increases.

 

[Evo1883]

If there's 100 people and 95 have the jab , and 12 go into hospital there more vaccinated in hospital .. that will always be the case because of the sheer volume of people vaccinated .. it's deaths isn't it that's important ..

It's besides the point though , I definitely think we have been whipped into meltdown over this varient and its not on really , knowing full well its far less severe

 

[Nick]

The issue I've seen mentioned by people who seem to check out as knowing what they are on about and not people trying to whip up a frenzy is that the increased transmission more than offsets the reduced severity. That potentially means that overall the number of hospitalisations increases.

Shit loads of people going into hospital every day
If more people get infected with something they have no clue they have and then find out on entry to hospital, it's likely that there will be more people in hospital with it

All depends how figures want to be spun and how vague they are. It's common sense.

The key thing is, how many are seriously ill BECAUSE of Omicron and how many die BECAUSE of Omicron.

 

[Sick Boy]

Looking at France.....I'd say they'll probably make jack shit of difference....

To be honest I find the situation in Italy much better compared to the UK.

 

[jordan210]

To be honest I find the situation in Italy much better compared to the UK.

The countries that got his the hardest in the first wave have a greater natural immunity going forward. So add on to that a successful vaccine program and it makes things even better

Science is wonderful.

 

[Sick Boy]

The countries that got his the hardest in the first wave have a greater natural immunity going forward. So add on to that a successful vaccine program and it makes things even better

Science is wonderful.

The UK was one of the hardest hit in the first wave.

 

[chiefdave]

The key thing is, how many are seriously ill BECAUSE of Omicron and how many die BECAUSE of Omicron.

I'm talking specifically about hospitalisation from covid in this instance.

If you take 100 people and variant A infects say 10 people with 1 hospitalised but variant b infects 50 people with 2 hospitalised it could be said to be milder but because its more infectious that equates to twice as many people being hospitalised.

Obviously completely made up numbers but you get the idea, it can be milder but lead to an increase in the number of people ending up in hospital, doesn't have to be one or the other.

 

[jordan210]

The UK was one of the hardest hit in the first wave.

Hence why are death figure now is pretty stable and hasn't matched the curve of cases. Breaking the link

 

[Blind-Faith]

So from what I understand , it’s more transmissible so more people can catch it, but the percentage of people who could die from it is lower.

however with the chances of getting it being a lot higher that means, even that smaller percentage of people who could die from it, could in fact end up being a larger number than people who died from the previous strains???