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Grendel

Grendel

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Skybluefaz said:
That is just someone being a contrarian silly sausage for the sake of it. If it was pay rises driving inflation then maybe there would be a point to it. Not what's happening here and now though.
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In the 1970’s industrial workers received something like 18% - good or bad?
 
Sky Blue Pete

Sky Blue Pete

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rob9872 said:
Ooh threats now. Grow up.
At nearly 50 I'm ok thanks I don't want to fight you. You might even win, I don't care, but thankfully I've long grown past the playground.

What I would happily tell you is I disagree with your stance you are wrong to hold the council to ransom just because you all think as a Labour council they should be a soft touch. I'll even tell you I disagree with unions, but you carry on.
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What makes you think the industrial dispute is ransom? What do you know of what’s going on?
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Sky Blue Pete said:
What makes you think the industrial dispute is ransom? What do you know of what’s going on?
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Its a relevance to withdrawal of labour I assume
 
shmmeee

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rob9872 said:
They would and probably should when they can't get anyone to do it for the money on offer. If other jobs of the same nature pay more and they lose or are in danger of losing them then pay will organically increase without the need to hold people to ransom or at the expense of residents.

As NW pointed out we don't know what WDC pay, but if this goes through I'd be amazed if we weren't next if Coventry suddenly get more and where does it end? All has to be paid for.

We're also told that the NHS need more, armed forces need more, the police and other frontline workers need more. BSB was on here last week saying teachers going for 8% more too.

At the same time bills are going up, we didn't get a payrise here last year or this year, but are thankful to still be going after the pandemic as many more have suffered. It all has to be paid for and all from the private sector and smacks of greed.

This strike in particular is not because they were badly paid, but because Fred up the road got more in Brum so now they want it too.
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What makes you think an economy where no one has money to spend is a good thing for anyone?

I dont get why people are scared of others being paid appropriately.
 
Skybluefaz

Skybluefaz

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Grendel said:
In the 1970’s industrial workers received something like 18% - good or bad?
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No idea, wasn't alive and am not really aware of the context. Not really what I'm talking about. I can tell you that rising fuel and food costs made me leave my last job. Looks like a lot of other people might end up in the same position unless they recieve a wage increase to keep them on a level.
 
rob9872

rob9872

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shmmeee said:
What makes you think an economy where no one has money to spend is a good thing for anyone?

I dont get why people are scared of others being paid appropriately.
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And where do you think all of the public sector money comes from?

We're still in a pandemic, many business haven't survived there are already many people relying on hand outs of one form or another because of it and everyone has those same increasing costs to deal with. Tax increase will be required to provide for all of those mentioned and will kill off even more businesses, which will drain more resources and on the cycle goes. If they increase costs to cover it, then inflation will be high and then whatever they've receive won't be enough. It's a constant cycle of one catching the other up.

It's difficult, I know from personal experience at present, as I said my costs are rising too without a pay increase, but I still have a job, we all need to weather the storm at least until the economy has begun to repair from furlough.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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rob9872 said:
And where do you think all of the public sector money comes from?

We're still in a pandemic, many business haven't survived there are already many people relying on hand outs of one form or another because of it and everyone has those same increasing costs to deal with. Tax increase will be required to provide for all of those mentioned and will kill off even more businesses, which will drain more resources and on the cycle goes. If they increase costs to cover it, then inflation will be high and then whatever they've receive won't be enough. It's a constant cycle of one catching the other up.

It's difficult, I know from personal experience at present, as I said my costs are rising too without a pay increase, but I still have a job, we all need to weather the storm at least until the economy has begun to repair from furlough.
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Probably won’t like what the teaching unions are about to do then
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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rob9872 said:
And where do you think all of the public sector money comes from?

We're still in a pandemic, many business haven't survived there are already many people relying on hand outs of one form or another because of it and everyone has those same increasing costs to deal with. Tax increase will be required to provide for all of those mentioned and will kill off even more businesses, which will drain more resources and on the cycle goes. If they increase costs to cover it, then inflation will be high and then whatever they've receive won't be enough. It's a constant cycle of one catching the other up.

It's difficult, I know from personal experience at present, as I said my costs are rising too without a pay increase, but I still have a job, we all need to weather the storm at least until the economy has begun to repair from furlough.
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Where does all public sector money go to?
 
chiefdave

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rob9872 said:
we all need to weather the storm at least until the economy has begun to repair
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That's great in theory but as someone put it on the radio the other day the current working generation are on their 4th 'once in a lifetime' situation in under 15 years that they're being expected to weather. We had the global financial crisis, followed by austerity, brexit and covid.

The upshot of that is that we're going into the latest crisis off the back of a decade of wage stagnation with a lot of people struggling and living month to month. For an increasing number of people a cost of living crisis will be the final straw, they just don't have the financial capacity to wait on the promise of an improvement a few years down the line.
 
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rob9872 said:
And where do you think all of the public sector money comes from?
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Of course, the old 'I pay my taxes, I demand a service' is fine, but misses that maybe, to get a first rate service, we need to pay more in taxes to receive it and, if we don't, this is the consequence.
 
rob9872

rob9872

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Deleted member 5849 said:
Of course, the old 'I pay my taxes, I demand a service' is fine, but misses that maybe, to get a first rate service, we need to pay more in taxes to receive it and, if we don't, this is the consequence.
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I get that, but the impact on businesses in the private sector already struggling after the last two years, who have increasing material costs in addition to utilities that we all have at home, now need have to pay their staff more. At present they're just keeping heads above water, impose more costs and they'll likely sink.
 
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Grendel

Grendel

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
How is the economy of now comparable to the economy of 50 years ago?
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Its to do with wage inflation - you have yourself said your profession has asked for an inflation busting payrise - if every sector took that attitude it would bust the private sector
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Grendel said:
Its to do with wage inflation - you have yourself said your profession has asked for an inflation busting payrise - if every sector took that attitude it would bust the private sector
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The unions want to, not necessarily those in it. I don’t think that being paid the same as our Scottish counterparts is an unreasonable request, about a 7% rise. The unions want 16% over 2 years which personally I don’t really agree with although it’s in the context of a 17% real terms cut.

Wages staying behind inflation indefinitely is surely something you see as a problem?
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
The unions want to, not necessarily those in it. I don’t think that being paid the same as our Scottish counterparts is an unreasonable request, about a 7% rise. The unions want 16% over 2 years which personally I don’t really agree with although it’s in the context of a 17% real terms cut.

Wages staying behind inflation indefinitely is surely something you see as a problem?
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My wages at JLR were behind inflation. It wasn't a problem no. Its reality as oddly companies margins are squeezed as they also pay more on production materials and utilities and fuel
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Grendel said:
My wages at JLR were behind inflation. It wasn't a problem no. Its reality as oddly companies margins are squeezed as they also pay more on production materials and utilities and fuel
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So why are we still not earning several pound a year like in the good old days?
 
Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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rob9872 said:
Totally, yes. But then I get pissed here when someone starts on silly money and I've been here 20+ years. It happens everywhere. The test is are you happy with what you get paid for what you do regardless of others? If you're not move. I know I say it like it's easy, but in the private sector that's our only choice and don't see why it should be different. I've seen loads come and go here who earn more than me for doing far less, but many have gone and I've stayed employed and thankful to be so. I've never asked for a pay rise, it's always been rewarded for doing a good job or an annual basis across the board.
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Seems more to me the questions you should be asking are about yourself.

If public sector is better paid and an easier job than private sector, why do you work in the private sector? If you've never asked for a payrise when others have earned more than you for doing less ask why you're so willing to allow that?

Given that you said you've been in the same place for 20+ years, never asked for a payrise and are thankful for a job tells me that you have an inferiority complex and live in fear. You've got cap doffer written through you like a stick of rock.
 
rob9872

rob9872

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Seems more to me the questions you should be asking are about yourself.

If public sector is better paid and an easier job than private sector, why do you work in the private sector? If you've never asked for a payrise when others have earned more than you for doing less ask why you're so willing to allow that?

Given that you said you've been in the same place for 20+ years, never asked for a payrise and are thankful for a job tells me that you have an inferiority complex and live in fear. You've got cap doffer written through you like a stick of rock.
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Never suggested public sector better paid. It's robotic and less room to show yourself, I did originally work in the public sector before here.

Those who earn more for doing less are usually sales type people who promise the world and don't deliver, hence my longevity and their short sharp rewards.

I've never asked for a payrise because it's been given as a reward for doing a good job. Massive difference.

No inferiority complex, but thanks for your concern lol
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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rob9872 said:
Never suggested public sector better paid. It's robotic and less room to show yourself, I did originally work in the public sector before here.

Those who earn more for doing less are usually sales type people who promise the world and don't deliver, hence my longevity and their short sharp rewards.

I've never asked for a payrise because it's been given as a reward for doing a good job. Massive difference.

No inferiority complex, but thanks for your concern lol
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Pretty gaping contradiction there my friend
 
rob9872

rob9872

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
You say you got pay rises because you earned them but above that it’s about people who don’t do much but get paid loads
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I perhaps should have numbered them or inserted into the quoted text so they made more sense, but they were unrelated points, isolated what you say reads correct. I was responding to a few different issues mentioned on the SB Dreamer post.

My point about others earning loads and doing less, refers to sales guys (often but not always) who arrive new on big salaries promising the world, who then don't live up to expectations or able to deliver what they promised. Those have moved on to other pastures. Conversely I'm still here and whilst I may not earn those megabucks, I'm happy with what I get for the job I do and I get rewarded when it's due. It can be annoying when someone new has the red carpet rolled out for them, but when I reflect I'd rather have my security, knowledge base, job satisfaction and respect that has been earned and trusted over a period of longevity.
 
Grendel

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Nick

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"put them out today as they won't be emptied for months"

Yeah, didn't get emptied anyway and haven't been since before Christmas. Nice one.
 
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