If Callum O’Hare…….. (2 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Nonsense, stop making stuff up.

read the accounts page 2 which show £3.8m sales cited Chaplin Bayliss and McCallum as the main Contributors. You’ve said Bayliss was £2 million and Chaplin must be a million - there are clearly add ons spilling into this season and beyond (as with Bayliss) but I’m also sure the Norwich guy at the time said it was under a million initially and the accounts support that?

 

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[Grendel]

He’s exactly right. You can’t be that simple to think that Norwich paid us £3.75m in cash straight away can you?

Our total in that season was £3.8 million so clearly it’s nothing like that

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

read the accounts page 2 which show £3.8m sales cited Chaplin Bayliss and Chaplin as the main Contributors. You’ve said Bayliss was £2 million and Chaplin must be a million - there are clearly add ons spilling into this season and beyond (as with Bayliss) but I’m also sure the Norwich guy at the time said it was under a million initially and the accounts support that?

The sell on fees are what clubs are banking on

 

[Grendel]

Found it - sort of - laughs at the fee and says that includes clauses like playing for England

Norwich make revelation about McCallum transfer fee

Norwich's sporting director Stuart Webber has revealed the Premier League club did not pay £3m up front for Coventry City's Sam McCallum

www.coventrytelegraph.net

 

[Grendel]

The sell on fees are what clubs are banking on

Indeed. The Maddison sale kept us afloat

 

[theferret]

Id suspect it hasn’t, he’s played 1 game for them

Now who doesn't understand how transfers work . Some things are conditional based on performances, certain milestones, international performances and then there are sell on fees etc. But there is also a fixed transfer fee, they still have to pay for the player regardless of how often they play ffs.

The BASIC transfer fee was reported as £3.5 million by people far more in the know than you or I. Whether he plays or not is irrelevant, that fee is due. Usually payable in 3 installments over 18 months to 2 years. If those reports are wrong, fair enough, in which case everyone is guessing.

 

[SkyblueDad]

Indeed. The Maddison sale kept us afloat

Still some more to come from that apparently and he has been linked to Arsenal & Spurs.

 

[Grendel]

Now who doesn't understand how transfers work . Some things are conditional based on performances, certain milestones, international performances and then there are sell on fees etc. But there is also a fixed transfer fee, they still have to pay for the player regardless of how often they play ffs.

The BASIC transfer fee was reported as £3.5 million by people far more in the know than you or I. Whether he plays or not is irrelevant, that fee is due. Usually payable in 3 installments over 18 months to 2 years.

I’ve asked you to look at page 2 of the published accounts and also his comment regarding the fee including a huge amount of clauses which wouldn’t even reach you claimed “basic” figure

 

[Grendel]

Now who doesn't understand how transfers work . Some things are conditional based on performances, certain milestones, international performances and then there are sell on fees etc. But there is also a fixed transfer fee, they still have to pay for the player regardless of how often they play ffs.

The BASIC transfer fee was reported as £3.5 million by people far more in the know than you or I. Whether he plays or not is irrelevant, that fee is due. Usually payable in 3 installments over 18 months to 2 years. If those reports are wrong, fair enough, in which case everyone is guessing.

can you show me a link to this please? It suggests the Norwich spokesman is lying.

link please

 

[skyblu3sk]

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...ayerStatistics/England-Championship-2021-2022 great site for player stats worth looking through especially on players that you just don't "get"

 

[Grendel]

This years set of accounts show a sales positive of £1.8m and cite the sale of Callum Wilson as the main contributor - can’t see any mention of the McCallum second instalment

 

[theferret]

I’ve asked you to look at page 2 of the published accounts and also his comment regarding the fee including a huge amount of clauses which wouldn’t even reach you claimed “basic” figure

I've conceded this point in my edited post. It doesn't change the fact that within any transfer deal there is a basic transfer fee that is payable regardless. What that was in the McCallum transfer is not clear based on the link you have posted which contradicts the original reports. With young players of course conditions play a much bigger part of any deal.

That said, the truth is we've not sold anyone of note for 3 seasons, and the last 2 we did offload were decent deals.

You have to be incredibly naive to think we've not had offers for players in the last 3 years, but evidently all offers have been turned down, so we're not desperate to offload at basement prices as was being suggested (the usual Joy needs a new handbag bollocks) . If we sell in the summer, I think we will btw, I'm expecting there to be some pretty hefty transfer fees involved.

 

[Grendel]

I've conceded this point in my edited post. It doesn't change the fact that within any transfer deal there is a basic transfer fee that is payable regardless. What that was in the McCallum transfer is not clear based on the link you have posted which contradicts the original reports. With young players of course conditions play a much bigger part of any deal.

That said, the truth is we've not sold anyone of note for 3 seasons, and the last 2 we did offload were decent deals.

You have to be incredibly naive to think we've not had offers for players in the last 3 years, but evidently all offers have been turned down, so we're not desperate to offload at basement prices as was being suggested (the usual Joy needs a new handbag bollocks) . If we sell in the summer, I think we will btw, I'm expecting there to be some pretty hefty transfer fees involved.

Out net transfer ins vs ours is huge over the years - it’s done to keep the club afloat

Theres been no actual investment in for years.

The club has zero budget to transact next season unless it sells as we are now in a league with far greater demand on fees and wages

We have to sell first to buy.

 

[SBT]

Dennis wise for one

Dennis Wise more influential for us than O’Hare…..the education crisis in this country is truly dire.

 

[theferret]

Out net transfer ins vs ours is huge over the years - it’s done to keep the club afloat

Theres been no actual investment in for years.

The club has zero budget to transact next season unless it sells as we are now in a league with far greater demand on fees and wages

We have to sell first to buy.

Absolutely, no doubting that. There is no magic money tree. Living within our means is not what many fans want, but it is the reality.

I was merely addressing the accusation that we're a club that always sells below market value. I think we've been shrewd in the transfer market. Selling Bayliss and McCallum generated decent income, as has Wilson and Maddison over time.

On the flip side we've bought in Gyok for 1 million, Hamer for 1.5 million and O'Hare for nowt. We only paid 750K for Godden. All great bits of business.

So, the point being, if you're going to survive on transfer dealings and without net investment, then make sure you're good at it. We've been good at it. We're comfortably mid table in the Championship after all.

 

[fatso]

You just have to watch the pre match shooting Shipleys shots are going in O'Hares are hit and miss...no pun intended

I've got to be honest, when that pass fell to O'hare, who was a yard out, unmarked and infront of an open goal, I wasn't overly confident.

 

[Grendel]

Absolutely, no doubting that. There is no magic money tree. Living within our means is not what many fans want, but it is the reality.

I was merely addressing the accusation that we're a club that always sells below market value. I think we've been shrewd in the transfer market. Selling Bayliss and McCallum generated decent income, as has Wilson and Maddison over time.

On the flip side we've bought in Gyok for 1 million, Hamer for 1.5 million and O'Hare for nowt. We only paid 750K for Godden. All great bits of business.

So, the point being, if you're going to survive on transfer dealings and without net investment, then make sure you're good at it. We've been good at it. We comfortably mid table in the Championship after all.

i don’t see why it has to be the reality

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

If Callum O'Hare drank Carlsberg.

 

[theferret]

i don’t see why it has to be the reality

I get that some feel we should borrow and have a punt. I don't think it is time though.

There are clubs in this division on a cliff edge, many are about to implode. We're not, so let's not panic.

The parachute payment clubs, well we just can't get near them, so why even try.

A period of stability is fine with me. I'm comfortable with a more long termist view at this point, and I just don't buy 'we'll never get a better chance' stuff, that's just nonsense imo.

 

[Grendel]

I get that some feel we should borrow and have a punt. I don't think it is time though.

There are clubs in this division on a cliff edge, many are about to implode. We're not, so let's not panic.

The parachute payment clubs, well we just can't get near them, so why even try.

A period of stability is fine with me. I'm comfortable with a more long termist view at this point, and I just don't buy 'we'll never get a better chance' stuff, that's just nonsense imo.

why borrow? Sisu claim to be high risk investors and experts at attracting this type of investment? Some clubs are very near to Sheffield United - Luton as an example. Millwall? Huddersfield who were below us last season?

 

[Frankly_Mr_Shankly]

COH was brilliant today, fu*k the Villa, that is all.