Jubilee (16 Viewers)

[Deleted member 5849]

I don’t think Charles needs the civil list pay cheque somehow

Givven he owns half the country thanks to inheritances then no, probably not. He only owns half of it because of his position, however.

The theoretical power argument is pretty pointless as the institution only survives due to impartiality

Not really pointless as otherwise we're paying somebody who holds no power, and no infuence. And the efficiency saving is not to pay them if we're trimming government paid roles.

 

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[skybluetony176]

I don't understand what Charles has done that's so wrong, and what makes him a bad symbol anyway.

Notwithstanding, it's the people who choose to make it without power. the monarch, after all, has to give Royal Assent to all bills, and has to ask somebody to form the government. They also get consulted regularly by the Prime Minister. Theoretically, they can only give assent to bills they like, or advise on their changing, and they can ask anybody to form the government.

None of that is great.

As it happens the Queen, Charles, and William all recognise that flexing power means the end of their pay cheque. They're probably lucky that Harry was second son, however.

Compared to a lot of the options Charles is about as good as it gets. In many ways he’s been ahead of the curve. When I was a kid I remember him being ridiculed in the media for his opinions on climate change, turned out he was right all along.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Compared to a lot of the options Charles is about as good as it gets. In many ways he’s been ahead of the curve. When I was a kid I remember him being ridiculed in the media for his opinions on climate change, turned out he was right all along.

He did also awkwardly try to interfere in the Blair government, as the Guardian publishing his letters was showing until the Cameron government shut it down.

Oh and that unfortunate lasting friendship with Mr Savile

 

[Grendel]

He did also awkwardly try to interfere in the Blair government, as the Guardian publishing his letters was showing until the Cameron government shut it down.

Oh and that unfortunate lasting friendship with Mr Savile

The same Mr Saville a certain Director of public prosecutions decided not to prosecute

 

[skybluetony176]

The same Mr Saville a certain Director of public prosecutions decided not to prosecute

The same Mr Savile the Tories put in charge of hospitals, used to have spend Christmas’ at Chequers, campaigned for his nighthood etc etc etc. could do this all day.

 

[Terry_dactyl]

I was interested to see/hear Johnson getting booed quite as much as he did.
In my mind at least, the crowds at a Royal occasion would be made up of predominantly dyed in the wool Tories.

 

[shmmeee]

The same Mr Saville a certain Director of public prosecutions decided not to prosecute

No, learn how the CPS works and stop trying to use child sexual abuse victims as political tools, they don’t like it and frankly their feelings are more important than your weird terror of Labour

Jimmy Savile's victims call on Boris Johnson to withdraw Sir Keir Starmer accusations

The prime minister's spokesman has said he stands by what he said in the Commons on Monday - that the Labour leader failed to prosecute Jimmy Savile.

news.sky.com

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The same Mr Saville a certain Director of public prosecutions decided not to prosecute

Not actually true is that. The royal fondness of Savile, especially from Charles, is a bit unfortunate

Keir Starmer led the CPS when it did not charge Jimmy Savile, but he wasn’t the reviewing lawyer - Full Fact

 

[Grendel]

I was interested to see/hear Johnson getting booed quite as much as he did.
In my mind at least, the crowds at a Royal occasion would be made up of predominantly dyed in the wool Tories.

Doubt it. The red wall labour voters will be by and large royalists

 

[PVA]

The same Mr Saville a certain Director of public prosecutions decided not to prosecute

You really are a fucking idiot sometimes.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Doubt it. The red wall labour voters will be by and large royalists

Hmmm

 

[skybluetony176]

You really are a fucking idiot sometimes.

Sometimes?

 

[Grendel]

Not actually true is that. The royal fondness of Savile, especially from Charles, is a bit unfortunate

Keir Starmer led the CPS when it did not charge Jimmy Savile, but he wasn’t the reviewing lawyer - Full Fact

why is it unfortunate? Is this picture unfortunate?

On Jimmy Savile, Tony Blair, and turning a blind eye to serious crimes

The terrible thing about Jimmy Savile’s serious crimes involving young girls is how many people in senior and influential positions knew about his behaviour and chose to do nothing about it, …

www.leftfutures.org

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Sometimes?

The problem is cosmopolitan hand wringing elites in leafy Leamington and not literal elites living in palaces.

 

[Grendel]

Hmmm

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So you believe voters in the north who voted labour normally are republicans

 

[Grendel]

You really are a fucking idiot sometimes.

Well maybe I am but you are all the time

What’s it like?

 

[PVA]

Well maybe I am but you are all the time

What’s it like?

Wow what a zinger.

I know you are but what am I.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

why is it unfortunate? Is this picture unfortunate?

On Jimmy Savile, Tony Blair, and turning a blind eye to serious crimes

The terrible thing about Jimmy Savile’s serious crimes involving young girls is how many people in senior and influential positions knew about his behaviour and chose to do nothing about it, …

www.leftfutures.org

The royals saw him as a popular figure who could help increase their own popularity with the public. Charles more than the rest though as that pile of correspondence confirms

 

[Johnnythespider]

When Liz pops her clogs they should just have one of the life size cardboard cutouts of her on the throne, people can bow and scrape for all eternity to her then, every few years the country can have a jubilee and tell the rest of the world they don't know how to put on a ceremonial party like what we do. It would make as much sense as the other options, i use the word sense in its loosest form.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So you believe voters in the north who voted labour normally are republicans

My grandad's family, miners in Co. Durham, were mostly republicans. Skinner was elected for nearly 50 years despite being a vocal anti monarchist too. Ironically only voted out at the Brexit election despite actually supporting Brexit himself.

Most of the country support the monarchy, and the % is similar across England. Ignoring that support for the monarchy is markedly lower in Scotland which was also a Labour hotbed for decades

 

[Grendel]

The royals saw him as a popular figure who could help increase their own popularity with the public. Charles more than the rest though as that pile of correspondence confirms

So did politicians old Tone loved to be seen with him he was often at chequers with him

Scots pop guru Alan McGee on being introduced to Jimmy Savile by Tony Blair

The evening has been re-enacted for a film on McGee’s life which premieres at <a href="https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/simon-ferry-believes-celtic-puppet-23546611">Glasgow</a> Film Festival tomorrow.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So did politicians old Tone loved to be seen with him he was often at chequers with him

Scots pop guru Alan McGee on being introduced to Jimmy Savile by Tony Blair

The evening has been re-enacted for a film on McGee’s life which premieres at <a href="https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/simon-ferry-believes-celtic-puppet-23546611">Glasgow</a> Film Festival tomorrow.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk

Which is fine, but old Tone isn't in contention for the throne

 

[Grendel]

My grandad's family, miners in Co. Durham, were mostly republicans. Skinner was elected for nearly 50 years despite being a vocal anti monarchist too. Ironically only voted out at the Brexit election despite actually supporting Brexit himself.

Most of the country support the monarchy, and the % is similar across England. Ignoring that support for the monarchy is markedly lower in Scotland which was also a Labour hotbed for decades

So what?

From what I see it’s just a load of white privelege middle class people who think it’s edgy and cool to say a few anti royal things on a football forum

 

[Grendel]

Which is fine, but old Tone isn't in contention for the throne

So are you saying Charles new about Saville? Any evidence?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

As a counter point I will add, what a hypocrite this woman is. We want to break the union but keep its head of state? Though at a Republic event an SNP politician in attendance did let the veil slip by saying this stance is just to get more unionists on side with the plan to ditch the Queen when independent.

Nicola Sturgeon speaks of her deep respect for the Queen - BBC News

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So what?

From what I see it’s just a load of white privelege middle class people who think it’s edgy and cool to say a few anti royal things on a football forum

Well not quite I've been opposed to them from an early age and have physically gone to protests. Skinner wasn't middle class last time I checked

So are you saying Charles new about Saville? Any evidence?

About the crimes, who knows. But he certainly knew the man well and sought his advice for many years.

 

[Terry_dactyl]

Doubt it. The red wall labour voters will be by and large royalists

Yeah, probably a simplification on my part.

 

[Grendel]

Well not quite I've been opposed to them from an early age and have physically gone to protests. Skinner wasn't middle class last time I checked



About the crimes, who knows. But he certainly knew the man well and sought his advice for many years.

“about the crimes who knows”

Dear me

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

“about the crimes who knows”

Dear me

Well if he had that much time near the man and didn't suspect a thing he's even more dense than I thought

 

[PVA]

So are you saying Charles new about Saville? Any evidence?

Well you're saying Starmer decided not to prosecute Savile. Any evidence?

 

[Grendel]

Well if he had that much time near the man and didn't suspect a thing he's even more dense than I thought

So you can make a significant allegation that the future king and yet a factually accurate reference to Starmer is called out as being unacceptable

 

[Terry_dactyl]

As a counter point I will add, what a hypocrite this woman is. We want to break the union but keep its head of state? Though at a Republic event an SNP politician in attendance did let the veil slip by saying this stance is just to get more unionists on side with the plan to ditch the Queen when independent.

Nicola Sturgeon speaks of her deep respect for the Queen - BBC News

Mark Drakeford made gave a very diplomatic/respectful interview about it all…what else is he going to do I guess.
I still interpreted as “we all know I don’t really give a shit”.

 

[Terry_dactyl]

Well if he had that much time near the man and didn't suspect a thing he's even more dense than I thought

Sorry, but a lot of people didn’t know/chose not to know. Louis Theroux had heard the rumours…he addressed them in that documentary…and yet I think remained ‘friends’ with him after it. I think he even went and stayed with Savile.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The same Mr Saville a certain Director of public prosecutions decided not to prosecute

But but but but but but but labour

 

[Grendel]

Well you're saying Starmer decided not to prosecute Savile. Any evidence?

The CPS chose not to the statement I made is factually accurate no evidence required - also it’s factual he used to toady up to America and tried to throw McKinnon to the states and was outraged when May blocked him

he liked to extradite British citizens of the states one of whom was never charged but was tortured including a razor blade across his genitals

Nice