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Brighton Sky Blue
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skybluetony176
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Interesting comparison
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Boris Johnson Called “Conservative Corbyn” As Partygate Scandal Clouds People’s View Of Cost Of Living Response
Partygate has caused so much damage to Boris Johnson’s reputation that new cost of living measures seem to be falling flat among the general public...
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fernandopartridge
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The same Times that backed Johnson to be prime minister, was it fake news then?
David O'Day
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Wow
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Alan Dugdales Moustache
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The people who cheered were cheering the people who were booing.
David O'Day
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If you are an environmentally minded tory they are a good bet
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skybluetony176
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I think it’s probably not surprising Labour are likely to take Wakefield back. If the margin is correct that is surprising.
I think the real shockwave will be the Tories losing Tiverton which is looking like a possibility.
David O'Day
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Deffo, if they lose that seat more letters will come in. But Wakefield may worry a few red wall tories
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fernandopartridge
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Assuming it's Tories switching of course, chance it could be Labour voters going Green offset by a mix of possibly Brexit and Tory going Labour.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Hadn’t considered that actually, just the percentages matched up nicely. Sample size just 500 too
shmmeee
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skybluetony176
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The excellent Dan Hodges reporting the same. Although he’s also reporting that rebels will go on a vote strike if he wins a vote of no confidence then refuse’s to resign. The most surprising thing is that it’s got to this point as Dominic Raab was on the TV in the week saying it wouldn’t.
Tory plotters in ‘vote strike’ threat unless Boris agrees to quit No10
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Fair point, but I think the stench of Partygate and the fact he can't go out in public without being booed is bigger than a by election defeat now.
Terry Gibson's perm
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Nice to wake up to a vote of no confidence.
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He's going to win it though, isn't he. And he won't resign after that.
Still, it's reassuring that the Conservative Party isn't totally gone in its morals I suppose. Let's hope enough vote against him to at least show the folly of him carrying on.
duffer
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The worst thing for the Tories now, is if he wins it!
If I was Labour, I'd make hay of the fact that a substantial majority of the party of law and order sat on the fence and vacillated, even though most of the country knew what needed to be done immediately the facts came out.
Ministers who publicly supported him can wear it around their necks like a millstone, come campaign time.
If I was Labour, I'd make hay of the fact that a substantial majority of the party of law and order sat on the fence and vacillated, even though most of the country knew what needed to be done immediately the facts came out.
Ministers who publicly supported him can wear it around their necks like a millstone, come campaign time.
duffer
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Politely disagree, NW. If they had morals, he would have been gone weeks ago. Look at how long it's taken to get here and all of the other ministers who've defended him.
For most MPs, this is about electoral calculus, not morals - that ship has sailed, I'm afraid.
BodicoteSkyBlue
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Part of me wants him to win, just so that he can drag the Conservative party even further down into the mire.
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The 'tradition' is that you win, but lose enough support to be damaged enough you resign. I'm not convinced he has it in him to resign, however, even if a large number vote against him.
Yeah agree
"Now is not the time for a change of leadership, don't you know there's a war on!?"
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"What's that, he got booed? I might lose my job at the next election? Where's my headed letter paper!"
I park a lot of the noise and just look at whether this cabinet has got the ideas and capability to deliver policy to get us through what will undoubtedly be a tricky time. I think we all know that answer at the moment
One of biggest mistakes Johnson has made is surrounding himself by second rate supporters in cabinet. No challenge and little intellect (other than Sunak and Gove). He’s had the chances to change it and change his ways but chosen not to
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It's not unreasonable to wait until the jubilee is over, tbh.
It's also not unreasonable to wait until Sue Grey's report was published.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'd have never voted him in in the first place, but then I'm not of a Tory mindset anyway. What is true is that he's never been particularly popular among MPs, they just begrudgingly went for his popularity in the country during a time of chaos. Some of those MPs may have been purged, but there's still enough old-school ones among them who would never have him there. Some of those, of course, will still back him under the logic you always back your leader.
Exactly. I was reading about ‘vote against’ numbers/etiquette in previous votes that would lead to resignation. All bets are off here
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Sajid Javid seems capable if idologically appalling from my POV.
That's the danger of being careful what you wish for, mind. We'll undoubtedly get a more competent leader if he goes (is it possible to be less?!?) but expect a more Cameron-style approach to the public sector etc - and that could be very worrying.
