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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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I think G’s point is Truss the probable winner does nothing for him. Which says a fair bit
It will be interesting how he approaches it if Truss does win. I feel pretty sure he'll defend her against any Labour MP, regardless of how bad she is. He's defended Johnson enough.

Also interesting that an attribute he put for Johnson was big visionary ideas, yet other big visionary ideas he pours scorn on as unrealistic. Yet a bridge between Scotland and Ireland...
 

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There are no attributes of liz truss

Johnson has the ability to engage people, have big visionary ideas and oddly win elections - you may not believe that but that’s my view. Not a career politician but a maverick one who can engage people

Donald trump I have and never have had interest in

This isn’t the point though. I ask what engages people to Mr Starmer

I have also stated if Rayner was labour leader against Truss I’d vote labour
Btw you criticise Biden a lot but never did Trump. Why is that?

I am not a fan of Biden by any means but he is still immeasurably better than Trump. But barring maybe some psychopath languishing in a jail somewhere anyone on the planet would have been better than Trump.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Yes that green party - i liked their views on animal welfare - I was always disappointed that in the Cameron era the monster raving loonies weren’t in my constituency as I’d have voted for them
Fair enough, though it's pretty odd to have chosen them for that single issue when you seem to fundamentally disagree with pretty much everything else they say. I seem to remember you've not been a fan of either Lucas or Bartley.

Even more weird is that I've chosen them a few times in locals and in a GE. If both of us can end up voting for them how come they're not winning GE's by a landslide!?
 

Grendel

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What three things convinve you of Sunak and Truss if either win? What three things convinced you about Johnson? And May before that?
EDIT: just seen you've sort of answered it, though unconvincingly.

Again why deflect and not just answer for yourself
 

Grendel

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Btw you criticise Biden a lot but never did Trump. Why is that?

I am not a fan of Biden by any means but he is still immeasurably better than Trump. But barring maybe some psychopath languishing in a jail somewhere anyone on the planet would have been better than Trump.

We live in the U.K.

and it seems you have no good points about Mr Starmer at all
 
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There are no attributes of liz truss

Johnson has the ability to engage people, have big visionary ideas and oddly win elections - you may not believe that but that’s my view. Not a career politician but a maverick one who can engage people

Donald trump I have and never have had interest in

This isn’t the point though. I ask what engages people to Mr Starmer

I have also stated if Rayner was labour leader against Truss I’d vote labour
Vision is obviously a good thing in a leader, in fact it's a prerequisite, especially for a Prime Minister. But that vision has to be practical and in the country's benefit. So what was Johnsin's big vision, other than getting power and privilege for himself? Any of the small scale impractical visionary things like the bridge between Scotland and Ireland or the Garden Bridge were disastrous wastes of money. Basically he had no grand vision at all, and that was part of the problem.
 

Ian1779

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Vision is obviously a good thing in a leader, in fact it's a prerequisite, especially for a Prime Minister. But that vision has to be practical and in the country's benefit. So what was Johnsin's big vision, other than getting power and privilege for himself? Any of the small scale impractical visionary things like the bridge between Scotland and Ireland or the Garden Bridge were disastrous wastes of money. Basically he had no grand vision at all, and that was part of the problem.
There is little vision left in politicians anymore, because that requires thinking beyond yourself and the immediate and about the next generation. Cost of living, climate emergency - pretty much all of them have nothing to offer us.

Likewise you can say the same about education be it SoS, DfE, Multi Academy Trust and even Headteachers - no vision for what the future needs, just short termism.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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It will be interesting how he approaches it if Truss does win. I feel pretty sure he'll defend her against any Labour MP, regardless of how bad she is. He's defended Johnson enough.

Also interesting that an attribute he put for Johnson was big visionary ideas, yet other big visionary ideas he pours scorn on as unrealistic. Yet a bridge between Scotland and Ireland...

The Tories I know have also said they're not voting if Truss wins. Though when faced with the ballot paper I'm not sure they all will stay away.

Enough people bought in to the idea of Boris pledging to do the un-Conservative thing and actually spend money outside of London and the Home Counties. I mean Labour have run on that since the year dot but something about a clown with silly hair and saying words like 'tomjapery' and 'supine invertebrate jellies' meant it was immediately believed.

That's the interesting thing for me-the ideas they really shout about most as vote winners are centre left ones. So why doesn't Starmer seize the narrative and upstage them?
 

SkyBlueCharlie9

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Yes that green party - i liked their views on animal welfare - I was always disappointed that in the Cameron era the monster raving loonies weren’t in my constituency as I’d have voted for them
Ha, ha Greendull once voted to stop fox hunting and save the lickle lambs.
 

CCFCSteve

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Not sure what Prescott is trying to prove with this, Labour didn’t get into power for 11 years after that picture ?! ie it didn’t help with public support

Whether people agree with his stance or not, it’s obvious that Starmers trying to take an impartial position as probably half of the country are against the strikes and a governments job is to try to represent the country as a whole. He’s trying to demonstrate Labour would do this if in government

A shadow transport minister re-enforces that impartiality by going on the picket line…out of all the roles in shadow government you’d want to remain impartial on the subject 🤦‍♂️

I’m no great fan of Starmer but with the Tories imploding, this is what he gets from his own side ?! It’s bizarre. There’s often talk about the Tories being some kind of election winning machine…almost laughable (seen the state of half of them ??)…maybe it’s more the case of Labour/left being election losing machine ? It’s currently an open goal and yet they have manage to manufacture some unnecessary infighting when their focus should be on the mess the Tories are in
 

clint van damme

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Has anyone got a link to Keith doing another u turn on renationalisation as alluded to in that interview, I haven't seen it anywhere.
 

CCFCSteve

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Shame nobody told the current lot that.

You say that, appreciate half in jest, but ‘levelling up’ captured public imagination which helped Johnson at the last election. If they don’t deliver anything tangible in certain areas by the next election it will be another nail in the coffin

I’m talking about how parties present themselves to the public to get their support
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Not sure what Prescott is trying to prove with this, Labour didn’t get into power for 11 years after that picture ?! ie it didn’t help with public support

Whether people agree with his stance or not, it’s obvious that Starmers trying to take an impartial position as probably half of the country are against the strikes and a governments job is to try to represent the country as a whole. He’s trying to demonstrate Labour would do this if in government

A shadow transport minister re-enforces that impartiality by going on the picket line…out of all the roles in shadow government you’d want to remain impartial on the subject 🤦‍♂️

I’m no great fan of Starmer but with the Tories imploding, this is what he gets from his own side ?! It’s bizarre. There’s often talk about the Tories being some kind of election winning machine…almost laughable (seen the state of half of them ??)…maybe it’s more the case of Labour/left being election losing machine ? It’s currently an open goal and yet they have manage to manufacture some unnecessary infighting when their focus should be on the mess the Tories are in

I’m sorry Steve but if the leader of the Labour Party is too embarrassed for his MPs to appear publicly in support of working people that’s the worse look. The clue’s in the name.

Meanwhile Truss can talk about banning the right to strike altogether and that isn’t seen as an extreme position? Shows how far to the right the country has lurched
 

Ian1779

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it can be used to help people pay the bills

no one said it was the only policy needed including the labour party

but you know this and still post this shit
A windfall tax or a VAT reduction is a drop on the ocean comparatively yet your man makes more noise about NOT renationalising this sector than any of these.
 

Ian1779

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You say that, appreciate half in jest, but ‘levelling up’ captured public imagination which helped Johnson at the last election. If they don’t deliver anything tangible in certain areas by the next election it will be another nail in the coffin

I’m talking about how parties present themselves to the public to get their support
Did it fuck - Brexit was the only policy in town in 2019.
 

David O'Day

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I’m sorry Steve but if the leader of the Labour Party is too embarrassed for his MPs to appear publicly in support of working people that’s the worse look. The clue’s in the name.

Meanwhile Truss can talk about banning the right to strike altogether and that isn’t seen as an extreme position? Shows how far to the right the country has lurched
I genuinely have no idea what that is

Cool story grenners. Almost as bigger lie as when you told everyone I had made loads of pro IRA posts and you were going to dig them outone day. Still waiting for that, I guess like most things you say it was a lie.

Still i'd get help mate, drunk before 9am isn't a good look.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Cool story grenners. Almost as bigger lie as when you told everyone I had made loads of pro IRA posts and you were going to dig them outone day. Still waiting for that, I guess like most things you say it was a lie.

Still i'd get help mate, drunk before 9am isn't a good look.

Don’t bring me into the latest round of Drunk and Drunker
 

David O'Day

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Did it fuck - Brexit was the only policy in town in 2019.

it really wasn't, people in the north believed that Johnson was going to spend more money in their communities.

Brexit played a massive part but so did pie in the sky spending plans.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Raking it in while insisting that prices must go up. Nobody gets arsey about that but instead focuses on workers wanting a decent pay rise for the first time since 2010.

 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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You say that, appreciate half in jest, but ‘levelling up’ captured public imagination which helped Johnson at the last election. If they don’t deliver anything tangible in certain areas by the next election it will be another nail in the coffin

I’m talking about how parties present themselves to the public to get their support
That's the thing though - I don't think it was genuine. It was a slogan that would sell well. When you hear some of the people that know Johnson privately it'd come as no surprise to find out he doesn't want to level things up. He looks upon the working class with contempt.

Now you can say that if nothing tangible happens it'll be another nail in the coffin but how many empty promises have the Tories made over the years yet still get elected. It'll be a different leader with another slogan and people will fall for that instead.
 

Grendel

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Cool story grenners. Almost as bigger lie as when you told everyone I had made loads of pro IRA posts and you were going to dig them outone day. Still waiting for that, I guess like most things you say it was a lie.

Still i'd get help mate, drunk before 9am isn't a good look.

David as you are aware it all centred on your avatar use and protracted defence of Mr Adams and a futile attempt to class him as an innocent

The thread in question is this one.

I’ve started at the point you ask Tony to tell me to have a charity boxing match. Within the next three pages you accuse adm of being a racist, Churchill of being a racist, defend Gerry Adams as a political innocent, claim putting his avatar on was for “a laugh” - truly hilarious for those families of people murdered by his “army” friends - and end up in a couple pages saying you will kick my head in.

it’s clear you are backtracking and have significant regrets for you staunch defence of Mr Adams so why not admit it was an error - as was putting that dumb Sinn Fein leader on to replace him - and then it can all be forgiven

 

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