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[Grendel]

I dunno. He actually does OK in PMQs... but then he has been against Johnson. He also did well in the Brexit debates, tied them up in that, even though nobody listened.

The key will be as he can't necessarily go for the 'not Boris Johnson' shtick anymore, and how much such a thing would fly with Truss. Although she's thoroughly inept, she doesn't do the appalling joking etc, and I'd be fairly sure she wouldn't end up in a party mess etc, so if we assume she's 'serious' the not Liz Truss would probably fly a bit, but not enough.

So then we're down to policy and presentation... which I do think will come, come an election but... we'll see, won't we!

Starmer is hopelessly inept as a politician it’s May style of robotics. He will be hopeless at an election - he’s just not a PM

 

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[David O'Day]

It wasn’t selective - just the latest one on their account. Yesterdays had a 4pt Labour lead

Yeah with about a 4 point MoE

It is selective if you were posting the polls that were on there in last few days that give Labour a double digit lead.

It's textbook confirmation bias.

 

[David O'Day]

Where’s those 14 points gone? Is Kevin Keegan in charge?

Different poll, are you trying to mislead people again?

 

[David O'Day]

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Different poll fella

 

[David O'Day]

well seemingly not

Labour facing ‘breakdown in discipline’ as Nandy visits picket line | Lisa Nandy | The Guardian

Shadow ministers say Keir Starmer’s ban on visiting picket lines has ‘effectively broken down’ as frontbencher visits CWU members

amp.theguardian.com

That is an out of date and wrong article.

 

[Grendel]

Different poll, are you trying to mislead people again?

PVA and you refer to a 14 point poll lead. When was that taken?

 

[Grendel]

That is an out of date and wrong article.

It was yesterday

 

[PVA]

Different poll, are you trying to mislead people again?

Do people think there is one poll or something?

 

[David O'Day]

PVA and you refer to a 14 point poll lead. When was that taken?

That has absolutely nothing to do with the point i am making, can you kindly stop changing the point of the conversation.

The point I have made is you are pretending labour have lost a 14 point lead in that poll when they have not.

Anyway polling on both polls closed within 1 day of each other.

 

[David O'Day]

Do people think there is one poll or something?

He knows there are multiple polls run by differing polling companies. He's just being him

 

[Ian1779]

Different poll fella

I know

 

[Grendel]

That has absolutely nothing to do with the point i am making, can you kindly stop changing the point of the conversation.

The point I have made is you are pretending labour have lost a 14 point lead in that poll when they have not.

Anyway polling on both polls closed within 1 day of each other.

I’m not pretending anything but it seems an incredibly extreme variation - where was the poll with the huge lead from?

 

[David O'Day]

I know

So why act like it is?

 

[Grendel]

He knows there are multiple polls run by differing polling companies. He's just being him

Was this the Ipsos Poll?

 

[David O'Day]

I’m not pretending anything but it seems an incredibly extreme variation - where was the poll with the huge lead from?

The 27th, and the other poll is from the 27th to 28th.

The difference will be methodology so let's keep this truthful.

Comparing movement against different polls run by different polls is disingenuous at best

 

[Grendel]

Do people think there is one poll or something?

Was the 14 point variation the Ipsos poll?

 

[David O'Day]

Was the 14 point variation the Ipsos poll?

Yes and you are trying to compare it to a yougov poll

The dates mean fuck all to fair and as I said to say otherwise is disingenuous

 

[Ian1779]

Yeah with about a 4 point MoE

It is selective if you were posting the polls that were on there in last few days that give Labour a double digit lead.

It's textbook confirmation bias.

Not really….. we have had a lack of action from Labour in regards to the strikes and I merely posed the question.

From Britain Elects over the last 14 days we’ve had: +1 Lab, +4 Lab, +14 Lab, +7 Lab, +8 Lab, +6 Lab, +4 Lab

 

[Grendel]

The 27th, and the other poll is from the 27th to 28th.

The difference will be methodology so let's keep this truthful.

Comparing movement against different polls run by different polls is disingenuous at best

Was it the Ipsos poll? What did it say about Tory voters likely to say “don’t know” versus labour voters?

It may not be the Ipsos poll - which was it can you show me the source?

 

[Grendel]

Yes and you are trying to compare it to a yougov poll

The dates mean fuck all to fair and as I said to say otherwise is disingenuous

Why are you swearing and getting angry?

 

[PVA]

There were two polls from two different companies that showed a 14 point lead (Ipsos) and a 13 point lead (Savanta) .

You can't say they've lost that 14 point lead until you see the next Ipsos poll.

 

[David O'Day]

Before grenners posts his next nonsense post let be clarify

I have not called any polls accurate, I said it was disingenuous to compare to another and claim that is movement in the polls.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Was the 14 point variation the Ipsos poll?

Opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Ian1779]

So why act like it is?

I didn’t - I spent 10 seconds of my life making a meme I thought was amusing.

Are you going to report me to the Labour compliance and discipline department for besmirching the chosen one?

 

[Grendel]

Anyway we’ve got there @David O'Day . When asked in this poll who’d be the best prime minister - Sunak v Starmer who won?

 

[David O'Day]

There were two polls from two different companies that showed a 14 point lead (Ipsos) and a 13 point lead (Savanta) .

You can't say they've lost that 14 point lead until you see the next Ipsos poll.

This really, It's simply nonsense to take the result of a yougov poll and say it shows labour have lost a lead that another companies poll showed

 

[Grendel]

Opinion polling for the next United Kingdom general election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

David has answered mate it’s the Ipsos poll

 

[David O'Day]

I didn’t - I spent 10 seconds of my life making a meme I thought was amusing.

Are you going to report me to the Labour compliance and discipline department for besmirching the chosen one?

No, why the fuck would I do that?

 

[Ian1779]

Before grenners posts his next nonsense post let be clarify

I have not called any polls accurate, I said it was disingenuous to compare to another and claim that is movement in the polls.

And as I said - I posed the hypothesis that perhaps the movement could be down to a perceived lack of action in regards to strikes. If you don’t think it is then just say so.

 

[Grendel]

No, why the fuck would I do that?

sunak vs Starmer in the poll. Who won?

 

[Ian1779]

No, why the fuck would I do that?

Cheers - I am worried they won’t let me vote for Keith’s eventual replacement.

 

[David O'Day]

And as I said - I posed the hypothesis that perhaps the movement could be down to a perceived lack of action in regards to strikes. If you don’t think it is then just say so.

what I am talking about is Grenners implying something that is incorrect.

I've already said the poll you were quoting seems to be bumping around with the MoE for that poll.

 

[Grendel]

@PVA you laughed when I said truss was close to Starmer in a poll as when asked who’d be best PM. Why?

 

[Grendel]

what I am talking about is Grenners implying something that is incorrect.

I've already said the poll you were quoting seems to be bumping around with the MoE for that poll.

why do you get angry when asked to sensibly debate?

 

[PVA]

@PVA you laughed when I said truss was close to Starmer in a poll as when asked who’d be best PM. Why?

Because his hair is much nicer than hers.