Do you want to discuss boring politics? (115 Viewers)

[Moff]

They will lose the next election but the problem is Labour will have to raise taxes and will not be able to fix this horrific mess in 4 years so everyone will be saying they can't be trusted on the economy and so we can look forward to another 12 years of the 'responsible' tories.

That’s why I hope people will have long memories…..surely it will take a long time for people to forget what Boris and Truss and the rest of them have done.

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

That’s why I hope people will have long memories…..surely it will take a long time for people to forget what Boris and Truss and the rest of them have done.

Have friends who are very happy about keeping more of their money

 

[PVA]

That’s why I hope people will have long memories…..surely it will take a long time for people to forget what Boris and Truss and the rest of them have done.

You'd like to think so.

But for many it's about the here and now.

In 4 years time the country will still be struggling and Labour will have raised taxes.

People will be struggling to pay the bills still and the Tories will simply say 'look how much Labour have raised taxes. We will cut them'. And that's all it'll need for people to switch back

 

[Grendel]

When?
Make some claims
inflation will top out at what % and when
Interest rates same question

Put your money where your intelligence suggests

Interest rates may climb to 7% (mortgage rates) but people also moan that housing is beyond first time buyers - that will be a good bit of levelling up of property values

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Interest rates may climb to 7% (mortgage rates) but people also moan that housing is beyond first time buyers - that will be a good bit of levelling up of property values

What makes you think it will be short lived? And limited?

 

[skybluetony176]

Interest rates may climb to 7% (mortgage rates) but people also moan that housing is beyond first time buyers - that will be a good bit of levelling up of property values

That’s levelling down you moron not levelling up.

 

[skybluetony176]

What makes you think it will be short lived? And limited?

I think he’s still living of the glory of being right about us holding all the cards in brexit negotiations.


No, wait. He was completely wrong on that one too.

 

[David O'Day]

That’s levelling down you moron not levelling up.

He's an economically illiterate clown, his big post brexit idea was that we should devalue the pound and well guess we are and it's as shit an idea as we told him it was.

It's also already been pointed out that the historical rates of interest are not good touching points as currently the repayment to wages ratio is much worse now meaning that the affordability levels are much much worse now and this means even lower interest rates will be devastating to ordinary working people.

This is before you take into account the skyrocketing gilts rates which makes borrowing much, much more expensive.

 

[Grendel]

He's an economically illiterate clown, his big post brexit idea was that we should devalue the pound and well guess we are and it's as shit an idea as we told him it was.

It's also already been pointed out that the historical rates of interest are not good touching points as currently the repayment to wages ratio is much worse now meaning that the affordability levels are much much worse now and this means even lower interest rates will be devastating to ordinary working people.

This is before you take into account the skyrocketing gilts rates which makes borrowing much, much more expensive.

Is your mortgage going up David?

 

[stupot07]

That’s levelling down you moron not levelling up.

Race to the bottom.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Remember when we were told Commie Corbyn would wreak havoc on the economy and would take us back to the 70s?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

That’s why I hope people will have long memories…..surely it will take a long time for people to forget what Boris and Truss and the rest of them have done.

They will though. Memories only seem to exist for what left wing parties have done. Labour still linked to 1970's. Lib Dems to the coalition. With the Tories shit that happened five minutes ago is forgotten because we've got to 'move on'.

Even as things are I wouldn't feel confident in saying the Tories would lose. Yet if it were Labour that has caused this they wouldn't be in power for a generation.

If the Tories did lose, it'd be blaming Labour for not having fixed the car crash yet and are putting up taxes, and how we'd be be some much better off under the Tories who know how to run an economy.

I've just accepted the fact we're fucked.

 

[RegTheDonk]

Lad and his wife just put an offer in on their first house. Shame they didn't get their fingers out a few months ago. Crystal ball time but they've been offered a 10 year fixed about 2% more than a 5 year deal. Is it worth them doing this? That currently works out about an extra £150 a month, but they're worried about it sky rocketing in the coming months/years.

 

[PVA]

Remember when we were told Commie Corbyn would wreak havoc on the economy and would take us back to the 70s?

A tanked pound and a interest rate rise is what we would get if Corbyn ever took office. The finance industry will start to devalue like no tomorrow.

 

[Grendel]

Remember when we were told Commie Corbyn would wreak havoc on the economy and would take us back to the 70s?

I don’t think the IMF are knocking on the door yet

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don’t think the IMF are knocking on the door yet

Even during the worst phases of the 70s the dollar never threatened to gain parity with the pound. It's a monumental economic failure in almost record time

 

[Grendel]

Even during the worst phases of the 70s the dollar never threatened to gain parity with the pound. It's a monumental economic failure in almost record time

Doesn’t feel like it from where I’m sitting

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Doesn’t feel like it from where I’m sitting

Pound to sink below dollar after UK's mini-Budget, US experts predict, as analysts warn of 'currency crisis' (inews.co.uk)

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Doesn’t feel like it from where I’m sitting

Me neither, loving the USD/GBP rate.

 

[Grendel]

Pound to sink below dollar after UK's mini-Budget, US experts predict, as analysts warn of 'currency crisis' (inews.co.uk)

So the pound versus the dollar is of greater interest to you than interest rates

I’m genuinely surprised

 

[Grendel]

Me neither, loving the USD/GBP rate.

Net exporter?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So the pound versus the dollar is of greater interest to you than interest rates

I’m genuinely surprised

We have a fixed rate mortgage so it doesn't affect us. But I do feel for those who will be hit by this-people are capable of caring about more than one thing at the same time.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

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I remember in the ERM when interest rates were escalating every hour getting to 16% in the end

This is tame. It will stabilise soon enough

My concern is a bit like 2008. The problem then wasn't the banks as such - they were a problem, but not insurmountable. The problem was everyone queuing up to take their money out exacerbated the issues already at hand.

 

[Grendel]

We have a fixed rate mortgage so it doesn't affect us. But I do feel for those who will be hit by this-people are capable of caring about more than one thing at the same time.

How does the pound vs dollar impact you owesimslky

 

[David O'Day]

How does the pound vs dollar impact you owesimslky

Because it will push up supply chain prices which lead to higher goods prices and inflation. The BoE will need to raise rates again which makes current mortgages even more unaffordable to people.

It's been explained to you manty times.

 

[Grendel]

Because it will push up supply chain prices which lead to higher goods prices and inflation. The BoE will need to raise rates again which makes current mortgages even more unaffordable to people.

It's been explained to you manty times.

do you have a mortgage David?

 

[robbiekeane]

Practical question. Interest rates going up, and we currently have the mortgage in place to buy a property. But, surely, prices will go down as interest rates go up?

So... better to sit tight as we are, or bail? A new mortgage would mean paying more for the same amount, but surely, *surely* house prices will dip at least a little?!?

Personally I would lock that shit in but that’s just me. Any fall in house price value (which I personally, and only my opinion, is overstated and will be short lived - yes higher rates make it more expensive to borrow money but fundamentally demand for houses is still growing as the population grows) will be more than paid for by compound interest over 5-10 years.

Are you planning on moving again any time soon? If so that might change things but I’d not, that would be my advice.

To put some numbers behind it - an incremental/additional 2% interest on a £100,000 loan would cost £22,000 over a ten year period. So the question on my mind would be do I think the value of that property will drop by 22% over the next ten years…my thinking is no.


But what the fuck do I know - I rated Ruben Lameiras

 

[David O'Day]

It's basic GCSE level economics and I would of thought someone with such a successful pretend career in marketing would be all over this stuff.

 

[skybluetony176]

Because it will push up supply chain prices which lead to higher goods prices and inflation. The BoE will need to raise rates again which makes current mortgages even more unaffordable to people.

It's been explained to you manty times.

His only line of defence is to pretend to be stupid.

 

[David O'Day]

His only line of defence is to pretend to be stupid.

He's not pretending

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

How does the pound vs dollar impact you owesimslky

How does a weak pound affect the country?

 

[skybluetony176]

I don’t think the IMF are knocking on the door yet

Rishi Sunak has predicted that they will be by November. So far he’s been 100% right about Truss’ economic plans. You could be heading to another we hold all the cards moment.

 

[Grendel]

How does a weak pound affect the country?

I thought we were talking about personal positions here? I was saying that if you had a mortgage in 1975 under the Wilson government when rates were at 22% you may have been whining about it more than the Sterling vs pound issue? No?

 

[Grendel]

He's not pretending

I think you rent Dave

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I thought we were talking about personal positions here? I was saying that if you had a mortgage in 1975 under the Wilson government when rates were at 22% you may have been whining about it more than the Sterling vs pound issue? No?

Were we? I thought you predicted Corbyn would cause rising interest rates and a weak pound?