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Brighton Sky Blue

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I mean, just look at your reactions. I post something which shows there is corruption in the EU and all we get is Brexit, Tories, 'look how great they are for dealing with it efficiently', and as I said; sarcasm, denial, whataboutery, and emoji's. In reality, the only relevant brexit point here is that so many people voted to leave because of these kind of attitudes in the first place. A complete inability to critique (let alone acknowledge) any of the negatives of the EU sensibly.

If I had posted about a ring of Tories being corrupt (which frankly they can burn for as well), an interaction like this wouldn't be happening. It is just such a shame. There are some really intelligent people on here, but the inability to call out something shit because it's 'your side' is extremely frustrating and why no one else bothers to post in here any more. I'll leave it at that.
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What? Have you missed ‘the hard left’ laying into Labour MPs and Starmer just on the previous page?
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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clint van damme said:
Some good news

news.sky.com

Nuclear fusion - as it happened: Scientists reveal 'limitless clean energy' breakthrough

Follow updates as scientists announced a major breakthrough that could lead to "basically unlimited" carbon-free energy
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Looks like it’s still 20-30 years away from commercialisation reading that but still great news. Aside from anything else it’s progress that has been hard to come by and should increase fusion funding which has been pretty pitiful up to now.

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clint van damme

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shmmeee said:
Looks like it’s still 20-30 years away from commercialisation reading that but still great news. Aside from anything else it’s progress that has been hard to come by and should increase fusion funding which has been pretty pitiful up to now.

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they had some boffin on 5Live from Edinburgh University and she thought it could be as little as 10.
Not covered in the article but there's also a large project of a similar ilk in France which the UK is a big investor in.
 
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shmmeee

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clint van damme said:
they had some boffin on 5Live from Edinburgh University and she thought it could be as little as 10.
Not covered in the article but there's also a large project of a similar ilk in France which the UK is a big investor in.
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Everything I’ve seen says closer to 30, but who knows? My only worry is does it stop people taking action on clean energy production now.
 
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CCFCSteve said:
Ive just read the bbcs Sunak article (didn’t hear speech) and struggling to see the issue. clearing the backlog is good for everyone…the public and the claimants. At the moment we’re got a load of people who might have a valid/genuine claim who are stuck in limbo. we should also be trying to dissuade people who aren’t genuine asylum seekers from entering the country illegally not just because of the ridiculous holding costs involved but again, their claims are clogging up the system for genuine claimants.

What’s missing is an acknowledgment that there needs to be processing centres away from the U.K. where people can submit an asylum claim legally. Until the government has the balls to accept this we’ll continue with this mess

What’s all this anti immigration stuff being talked about though ?? It’s illegal immigration that Sunak was talking about. If it’s true that France, Germany etc are rejecting almost 100% of Albanian asylum seeker claims then no wonder so many are chancing their arm getting into the U.K. so we’ve got to look at our system. Net migration was 500k+ this year, that’s hardly anti immigration.
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Clearing a backlog is good, you can't set limits on refugees though, you just can't. Nor can you redefine it all just to suit your desires!
 
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shmmeee

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wingy said:
Japan big on it too.
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Global funding, private and government, was about $4.8bns this year, and that’s more than double what it was last year. As a species we spend absolute peanuts on it, have a look at that graph I posted, and those figures are for just the US. While there’ll be some crossover it won’t be equivalent to a single country funding that amount.

By comparison Pfizer alone spends $9.8pms a year on pharmaceutical research.
 
Philosoraptor

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shmmeee said:
What argument have I invented for you? You don’t think fission is safe despite the evidence and you’re bringing it up in a discussion on fusion.
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Did you see that nutter on Twitter who thought on the collapse of wasps that public money wasted wasn't from CCC then everything would supposedly be fine?
 
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clint van damme said:
they had some boffin on 5Live from Edinburgh University and she thought it could be as little as 10.
Not covered in the article but there's also a large project of a similar ilk in France which the UK is a big investor in.
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Has this not been affected by Brexit? I know a lot if our scientific initiatives with EU countries were negatively affected.
 
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Philosoraptor

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shmmeee said:
What argument have I invented for you? You don’t think fission is safe despite the evidence and you’re bringing it up in a discussion on fusion.
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Oh, and you are attributing stuff to me which I did not say.

Just a small thing.
 
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SBT

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JAM See said:
No transparency then?

#MichelleMonelikesthis.
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Well you’d need to tweak the roles of the Council and the Commission to allow for that, but my point is that the European Parliament doesn’t deliver value for money and doesn’t serve an obvious purpose in European democracy. In its current form it’s a bit of a talking shop/gravy train. If you only want it there to scrutinise the work of the Commission, surely there are more efficient ways to do that?
 
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shmmeee

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SBT said:
Well you’d need to tweak the roles of the Council and the Commission to allow for that, but my point is that the European Parliament doesn’t deliver value for money and doesn’t serve an obvious purpose in European democracy. In its current form it’s a bit of a talking shop/gravy train. If you only want it there to scrutinise the work of the Commission, surely there are more efficient ways to do that?
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Would you have no elected reps?
 
JAM See

JAM See

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SBT said:
Well you’d need to tweak the roles of the Council and the Commission to allow for that, but my point is that the European Parliament doesn’t deliver value for money and doesn’t serve an obvious purpose in European democracy. In its current form it’s a bit of a talking shop/gravy train. If you only want it there to scrutinise the work of the Commission, surely there are more efficient ways to do that?
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I don't think you get it.

We (the UK collectively) decided to leave the EU.

We can criticise the EU.
We can criticise the USA.
We can criticise India.
We can criticise China.
We can criticise whoever we fucking want.

What we can't do, is influence the second largest economy in the world anymore.

We are out of the EU.

Criticising the EU is like grandad shouting at a cloud.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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JAM See said:
Bit like the suffragettes. Keep plugging away and good things will happen.
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In science sometimes it’s a question of waiting for the technology to arrive to make the next step possible. Others it’s a question of who has the right vision.

In either case you also need a bit of luck
 
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