Training wear sponsor (2 Viewers)

[Nick]

CBS sponsoring it. Glad to see we are trying to get more money in with things like that

 

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[MAFF]

That'll look good when we're warming up in St Andrews for our home games next season

 

[slowpoke]

The way things are going at Blues Birmingham won’t be doing that.

 

[Johhny Blue]

That'll look good when we're warming up in St Andrews for our home games next season

If there is a St Andrews

 

[alexccfc99]

Wonder if they are waiting in the wings to take the main kit deal if they ban gambling sponsorship

 

[itsabuzzard]

If there is a St Andrews

St Andrews, Fife.

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[Esoterica]

St Andrews, Fife.

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3 of the tee for Ben Wilson when he kicks it straight into Out of Bounds.

 

[slowpoke]

Wonder if they are waiting in the wings to take the main kit deal if they ban gambling sponsorship

I don’t think there will be an IF, I read somewhere recently that government are looking at the bad example & influence it has on youngsters, lot of bollox really but that’s the pc world we are now in.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I don’t think there will be an IF, I read somewhere recently that government are looking at the bad example & influence it has on youngsters, lot of bollox really but that’s the pc world we are now in.

Give it a rest, gambling addiction causes untold misery, nothing pc about it

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don’t think there will be an IF, I read somewhere recently that government are looking at the bad example & influence it has on youngsters, lot of bollox really but that’s the pc world we are now in.

Companies that are proven to rake in most of their profits from people with a problem or an addiction. A pity we dropped Allsopp and Allsopp for an identikit gambling company as soon as we got into this league.

Would be very pleased if CBS or something similar took it on next season

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Give it a rest, gambling addiction causes untold misery, nothing pc about it

Indeed, but would Frasers+ be that much different? Entice people to spend money they haven't got and then keep them in a cycle of debt

 

[shmmeee]

Indeed, but would Frasers+ be that much different? Entice people to spend money they haven't got and then keep them in a cycle of debt

Im not sure three month interest free credit is on the same level as gambling firms.

 

[AiS86]

Is there more money from this or is it a follow on from them asking media to call it the Coventry Building Society arena, not CBS? We've just agreed to put their name on the training gear to help with that and sweeten the relationship

 

[SkyBlueScottie]

I don’t think there will be an IF, I read somewhere recently that government are looking at the bad example & influence it has on youngsters, lot of bollox really but that’s the pc world we are now in.

It's not really. Tobacco sponsorship was banned years ago, Alcohol also...

 

[napolimp]

I don’t think there will be an IF, I read somewhere recently that government are looking at the bad example & influence it has on youngsters, lot of bollox really but that’s the pc world we are now in.

Candidate for dumbest post of the year? Well done, it's only February.

 

[AOM]

I don’t think there will be an IF, I read somewhere recently that government are looking at the bad example & influence it has on youngsters, lot of bollox really but that’s the pc world we are now in.

Isn't that part of Currys now?

 

[Yorkshire SB]

Companies that are proven to rake in most of their profits from people with a problem or an addiction. A pity we dropped Allsopp and Allsopp for an identikit gambling company as soon as we got into this league.

Would be very pleased if CBS or something similar took it on next season

Historically but not really true now. They don’t want problem gamblers. There’s a lot of work that goes into identifying problem gamblers and preventing them from playing. They want a lot of people who lose a modest amount and then wealthy people happy to lose a lot.

With gambling the genie is out the bottle. Take alcohol, people aren’t drinking less because they’ve taken it off shirts. People may disagree but it would be tokenism to do it. A proper measure would be to limit U25s to a £50 a week deposit limit. This would mitigate problem habit development at the time they’re most vulnerable and likely to do so.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Historically but not really true now. They don’t want problem gamblers. There’s a lot of work that goes into identifying problem gamblers and preventing them from playing. They want a lot of people who lose a modest amount and then wealthy people happy to lose a lot.

With gambling the genie is out the bottle. Take alcohol, people aren’t drinking less because they’ve taken it off shirts. People may disagree but it would be tokenism to do it. A proper measure would be to limit U25s to a £50 a week deposit limit. This would mitigate problem habit development at the time they’re most vulnerable and likely to do so.

That’s just bollocks sorry

 

[Wyken Sky Blue]

Historically but not really true now. They don’t want problem gamblers. There’s a lot of work that goes into identifying problem gamblers and preventing them from playing. They want a lot of people who lose a modest amount and then wealthy people happy to lose a lot.

With gambling the genie is out the bottle. Take alcohol, people aren’t drinking less because they’ve taken it off shirts. People may disagree but it would be tokenism to do it. A proper measure would be to limit U25s to a £50 a week deposit limit. This would mitigate problem habit development at the time they’re most vulnerable and likely to do so.

It's bad PR having a gambling sponsor on a shirt or any association with a football club, so much rather we didn't have any at all.

You're right though that removing it or disassociating with gambling frims doesn't solve the problem in wider society

If you haven't seen it I recommend the Paul Merson documentary which may still be on BBC iPlayer, eye opening!

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[skyblu3sk]

Historically but not really true now. They don’t want problem gamblers. There’s a lot of work that goes into identifying problem gamblers and preventing them from playing. They want a lot of people who lose a modest amount and then wealthy people happy to lose a lot.

With gambling the genie is out the bottle. Take alcohol, people aren’t drinking less because they’ve taken it off shirts. People may disagree but it would be tokenism to do it. A proper measure would be to limit U25s to a £50 a week deposit limit. This would mitigate problem habit development at the time they’re most vulnerable and likely to do so.

Statistically a lot less young people drink heavily or at all. Not saying its all down to no advertisement but I'm sure it's a part of it. Just because you can't break the cycle for some doesn't mean you shouldn't for the next generation.

 

[The Philosopher]

It’s a tricky one gambling.

A cigarette is a cigarette. Alcohol is alcohol. Gambling is a bit more linear. Where do you draw the line?

Unlimited credit gambling where you can borrow straight away and gloop your money away on your phone in 5 mins (hold with me)
Having a cheeky tenner at the bookies
Casino gambling
Fruit machines
Scratch cards
The National Lottery
Stocks and shares
Property investment
Bingo (Remember we were sponsored by Granada Bingo?!)

All are a form of gambling.

I mean, the government makes TV and radio advertisers for financial products add that speeded up bit at the end “the value of your investment can either rise or fall. 18 or over etc…”

Now, this week I had to report one of the managers who worked for me to the police for theft. Few grand. She had a big online gambling problem and kept asking for a sub. I was in India for a few weeks and during that time she stole a fuel card and was filling up people’s cars for cash. Didn’t realise that forecourts have CCTV. Anyway. Online gambling has cost her a decent job and she’ll be nicked (if the OB get their act together). She’s stacked it basically (no salary this month for a start).

What’s the solution? Who knows but it’s far too easy to get on your phone and stick a load of money on something and then get carried away chasing your losses.

Perhaps the return of the licensed betting shops to the disappearing high street is the key.

Like selling cigs or alcohol : must prove age and like a pub the betting shop must ensure not drunk. Maybe betting must be in cash so that the spending of money is more real. Maybe only allow a gambling account if your credit score is above 800 or whatever (or is that a bit nanny state?). I don’t know.

Anyway, waffling aside, if gambling advertising is banned on shirts will it make a huge difference unless it’s banned everywhere?

Cigarette advertising used to fund formula 1, Golf, Snooker etc.

Those sports haven’t died.

 

[Yorkshire SB]

That’s just bollocks sorry

It’s not

 

[shmmeee]

Historically but not really true now. They don’t want problem gamblers. There’s a lot of work that goes into identifying problem gamblers and preventing them from playing. They want a lot of people who lose a modest amount and then wealthy people happy to lose a lot.

With gambling the genie is out the bottle. Take alcohol, people aren’t drinking less because they’ve taken it off shirts. People may disagree but it would be tokenism to do it. A proper measure would be to limit U25s to a £50 a week deposit limit. This would mitigate problem habit development at the time they’re most vulnerable and likely to do so.

I hear you, but then I also recently turned down a job offer at an online casino where my entire role would be supporting getting people gambling more.

 

[Yorkshire SB]

Statistically a lot less young people drink heavily or at all. Not saying its all down to no advertisement but I'm sure it's a part of it. Just because you can't break the cycle for some doesn't mean you shouldn't for the next generation.

Do you think with alcohol it’s more to do with increased information about health impacts, e.g. alcohol’s impact on mental health? Not saying it is but there’s other variables.
I agree that if they removed it from everything to do with footy then it may have an impact. However gambling and football culture are entrenched, and through advertising and sponsorship it’s pouring millions into the sport. That won’t and can’t just pull the plug on that. Shirt sponsorship is the golden goose but won’t have the impact. Football not the only sport either, horse racing would cease to exist, so it’s a complex issue.

As much as people don’t believe this, UK gambling companies are trying to get ahead of the legislation regarding safer gambling (as much as anything to mitigate government intervention). The more negative PR they have, the more restrictions they’ll have put in place.

UK operators should be working towards a single user profile, shared database for gambling protection, which prevents problem gamblers from jumping between different sites. Not to mention my previous point about capping U25 spend.
Advertising should also be more explicit about the risks, and with online gaming make the return to player % explicit.

 

[Yorkshire SB]

I hear you, but then I also recently turned down a job offer at an online casino where my entire role would be supporting getting people gambling more.

Yep and they’re businesses. There’s a difference and admittedly fine line between that and actively encouraging problem gambling and targeting problem gamblers.

 

[SBT]

Study’s quite old at this point but there’s a good roundup of studies into how alcohol advertising affects people (especially kids) here: https://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/191370/10-The-impact-of-alcohol-marketing.pdf

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s not

Then explain why I still get harrassed by the same companies who happily took thousands of pounds from me 10 years ago. Or why 60% of profits come from 5% of customers? Or the suicides of people who were getting targeted right up to the end.

It's a scumbag industry.

 

[Kilclines curly mullet]

I might be old school but for me personally I don’t see a gambling site on a shirt or on a Sky advert and suddenly feel the need to place a bet.

Same as I don’t see a McDonalds advert and feel the need to eat a burger.

At the same time I understand that I don’t have an addiction to either gambling or eating.

Either way, football and all sports will need to compensate for the loss of income of gambling adverts are banned

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I might be old school but for me personally I don’t see a gambling site on a shirt or on a Sky advert and suddenly feel the need to place a bet.

Same as I don’t see a McDonalds advert and feel the need to eat a burger.

At the same time I understand that I don’t have an addiction to either gambling or eating.

Either way, football and all sports will need to compensate for the loss of income of gambling adverts are banned

I don't think we'll find it hard to attract different sponsors for the most popular sport on the planet.

 

[Yorkshire SB]

Then explain why I still get harrassed by the same companies who happily took thousands of pounds from me 10 years ago. Or why 60% of profits come from 5% of customers? Or the suicides of people who were getting targeted right up to the end.

It's a scumbag industry.

What have you done in the first instance?
Second example is true of every business, and not per se linked to targeting problem gamblers.
Thirdly, horrific and definitely true of the past, but not what is being done now (albeit they could never truly know the welfare of the customer).

 

[MAFF]

I might be old school but for me personally I don’t see a gambling site on a shirt or on a Sky advert and suddenly feel the need to place a bet.

Christ. That's not the fucking point. Clearly you don't understand addiction at all.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What have you done in the first instance?
Second example is true of every business, and not per se linked to targeting problem gamblers.
Thirdly, horrific and definitely true of the past, but not what is being done now (albeit they could never truly know the welfare of the customer).

It's an industry that gets most of its profit from people with a problem. According to you that seems to be just fine because it's comparable to a shop or a restaurant. Just watch

BBC Three - Gambling: A Game of Life and Death

How Harri and Jack’s online betting devastated their lives after teen gambling took hold.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Nick]

Cov Building Society not taking people's houses when they have debt issues?

 

[Sick Boy]

I might be old school but for me personally I don’t see a gambling site on a shirt or on a Sky advert and suddenly feel the need to place a bet.

Same as I don’t see a McDonalds advert and feel the need to eat a burger.

At the same time I understand that I don’t have an addiction to either gambling or eating.

Either way, football and all sports will need to compensate for the loss of income of gambling adverts are banned

Unless you were born in the 14th century I’m not sure how you can claim to be old school when it comes to advertising.

 

[shmmeee]

I might be old school but for me personally I don’t see a gambling site on a shirt or on a Sky advert and suddenly feel the need to place a bet.

Same as I don’t see a McDonalds advert and feel the need to eat a burger.

At the same time I understand that I don’t have an addiction to either gambling or eating.

Either way, football and all sports will need to compensate for the loss of income of gambling adverts are banned

That’s not how advertising works at all. And it does work or companies wouldn’t pay for it.