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Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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Honestly. No. I didn't think we would have gone 6 games without a victory. But, I believe we should be good for top half of the table - realistically. It's still early doors but the start of the season has been a bit of a body blow.
Maaaaaardy
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I'll admit me either. It's very odd to even think about now.
RichieGunns
New Member
No i didn't...
Do i believe we can turn it around?.......Yes i do!
How?....No idea but im confident a solution will be found!
Do i believe we can turn it around?.......Yes i do!
How?....No idea but im confident a solution will be found!
RichieGunns
New Member
I wont write them off just yet.
I have to believe they are better than what they've shown us so far!
I want to see what the new manager does with them before i write them off...
RichieGunns
New Member
True, i think we'll have to get rid of some and bring in others to replace them if a miricle were to happen and we got promoted.
I think this is a very good league 1 side who just aren't playing to their full potential. We've seen a fraction of what they can do and i know im not alone when i say that we want to see a lot more of them, very very soon!
stupot07
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I think ion paper they look a good league one side, but in reality I just don't think we have the right balance and types of players to be a good league one side. The qualities we missed last season are still missing - pace, width, goals, physicality, leaders
Black6Osprey
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I expected about 8th at this point but how wrong I was. Yes this team is under performing but I don't believe even if it hits form that it is good enough. Certainly automatic is well beyond them. The loan market is the only realistic chance I can see for a dramatic turn around. It shows what top level research was done on this group of new players that we already need a 3 or 4 new players from the loan market.
Nonleagueherewecome
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Nutshell, spot on!
Nonleagueherewecome
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Add fitness to that list of shame too I'd say. We are so sluggish in the second half, obviously not helped by Elliott, Jennings and Barton missing pre-season, but it seems to take our players forever to get fully fit (if ever at all..).
upforthecupin87
New Member
It's apparent that a far too cosy atmosphere has existed at the club for years. Unfortunately it's not a culture that can be changed overnight and any one who thinks that someone can come in as a manager and start acting like a strict disciplinarian from day one is sadly mistaken. There would be a reaction ,of course, but probably not the right one.Unfortunately there seems not be good man management structure in lots of clubs.How often have you heard a player say when handed the armband on a temporary or sometimes permanent basis. "it's not a problem for me and anyway there are 11 captains on the pitch". That is utter rubbish, there is only one captain and he has to be someone who leads by example, is respected by other players and is vocal in encouraging other players.George Curtis and Brian Kilkline are prime examples for the sky blues.
As far as managers are concerned, Brian Clough may have come across as something of a maverick, but I do happen to know that he attended a man-management course at Ruskin college (which is where mocst people of a socialist persuasion go).To manage people effectively you have to get to know them as people and individuals.Some require a light touch and other need a heavy one. A comment that may encourage one person may make another withdraw into their shell or even break them.
As far as managers are concerned, Brian Clough may have come across as something of a maverick, but I do happen to know that he attended a man-management course at Ruskin college (which is where mocst people of a socialist persuasion go).To manage people effectively you have to get to know them as people and individuals.Some require a light touch and other need a heavy one. A comment that may encourage one person may make another withdraw into their shell or even break them.
Otis
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I had a feeling we might struggle and predicted a slow start to the campaign.
Also thought we could possibly end up in a relegation scrap, but after hearing such glowing terms for our new recruits from AT when we signed the 9 players I put the thoughts of a struggle out of the window and then felt we would be midtable and quite comfortable.
Wasn't expecting bottom 3 this early on at all.
What this side needs is pace, width and much better crossing, because thus far it has been shockingly bad.
Also thought we could possibly end up in a relegation scrap, but after hearing such glowing terms for our new recruits from AT when we signed the 9 players I put the thoughts of a struggle out of the window and then felt we would be midtable and quite comfortable.
Wasn't expecting bottom 3 this early on at all.
What this side needs is pace, width and much better crossing, because thus far it has been shockingly bad.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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I don't think anyone thought it would be this bad so far
Perryccfc
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Thing is there have been periods in games where the standard of teams in this division haven't been able to live with us. There's currently 3 issues that immediately need addressing in my opinion:
- Defence has looked very nervy and leaked soft goals
- Finishing at times has been very poor, needs to be worked on
- Consistency, we need to smash teams for 90 mins, no 20-45
- Defence has looked very nervy and leaked soft goals
- Finishing at times has been very poor, needs to be worked on
- Consistency, we need to smash teams for 90 mins, no 20-45
stupot07
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Perry - everything you put there also relate to last season. We played teams off the park in patches, we conceded soft goals, we were blunt in attack and lacked consistency
SkyblueBazza
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We have to turn it around - I think the club is run by ruthless people. Promotion by some means is the only acceptable outcome - I sense from the forum that it's a "failure is not an option" scenario...so it will be interesting to see what happens if we are not promoted (i.e. There are instantly two options...fold or carry on the following season).
Sick Boy
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They didn't seem too bad when Dowie & Boothroyd were in charge! They didn't look properly fit playing for Coleman half the time.
The lost fan
Banned
I knew we would struggle ! not saying some of the players are nt any good , but all we have brought to the club is un employed players , the ones that everybody else has let go . Why because we pay a little more in wages does that give us the right to succeed ? As the muppets said Thursday they believe our budget should buy promotion ? what a ludicrous statement that was . Nobody has a right to win any game . Sisu and there puppets are clueless , they have dropped themselves in the shit and dont know how to get us out of it . So yes thanks to Sisu we are where we belong !
Sick Boy
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It goes back to the days of Coleman, IMO. He never seemed to take the job seriously and I have heard that a drinking culture developed at the club, not sure if it true but it wouldn't surprise me. Boothroyd was a disciplinarian, but the players probably didn't like it though.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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It is unrealistic to smash teams for 90 minutes unless the difference in quality is very large
What we need to do is when we are not playing well, we need to defend properly, find a way to create chances and start playing well again.
When we are playing badly in a game, I never think we can turn around and start to play well again. All our heads drop and confidence vanishes, we need to be able to turn it around and regain the ascendency when we go through a bad patch in a game
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
...so before SISU came along we were a well run club, never under transfer embargoes? There have been numerous posts on here over the last day or two about HR & Richardson. To lay the blame only at SISU is laughable.
What should they do? Borrow money that they don't have and risk the future of the club? There have been a lot on here getting on their high horses about Pompey doing it, yet it is exactly what we should be doing is it?
Nonleagueherewecome
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Essentially, we need to start doing the basics well, like 90% of clubs do. Then quality can start to come into it. At the moment we're beaten by organisation, focus, work-rate and determination. All are things we lack.
And the key thing you point out-we might be a top 6 side on qulaity; we might even have a potential "best starting XI on paper" in the division: but we're not as far ahead of anyone in the division as much as the likes of Man C, Man U and Chelsea are ahead of some teams in the Premiership. We can't just turn up and win (or even draw) simply by having the best side on footballing ability on display (and that in itself is very very debatable IMO). Playing badly and winning won't be an option, we just aren't good enough to get away with it.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Yep, at the moment I get the feeling if we go through a tough spell in game and have some pressure put on us we just fall to pieces and can't get to grips with the game for the rest of the match. Instead of doing the basics allowing us to get a foothold in the game once again
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
Thought we would struggle at least to begin with so not surprised we have although i didnt expect it to be this bad. I could handle the results if there were 90 minute performances and we lost by bad luck but it isnt that though is it. We are losing because in so many departments and aspects we are just not up to the task. There is however plenty of time to turn things around although it might not be to the degree demanded by fans & SISU alike.
The writing was on the wall the end of last season there was a lack of fight through out the club and nothing since then has made me believe that has changed. The players brought in havent gelled but equally do not seem to be fighters, players that roll their sleeves up and dig in when the going gets tough. The whole squad seems that way. We still have all the same problems we had last year, no pace, leadership, width etc etc and i hesitate to say it but I have to query what the hell were Thorn, Waggott, Fisher, Shaw etc thinking during the close season. The problems were many and obvious they remain largely unaddressed.
Things can get better but the stench of failure runs through out the club and it is proving extremely hard to shift ....... it has grown over a decade and wont be gone in 6 matches.
The frustration I feel is largely fuelled by the feebleness and fragility of the side and the lack of clear thought and leadership off the pitch.
It has to get better surely .............. (can remamber saying that last season though)
The writing was on the wall the end of last season there was a lack of fight through out the club and nothing since then has made me believe that has changed. The players brought in havent gelled but equally do not seem to be fighters, players that roll their sleeves up and dig in when the going gets tough. The whole squad seems that way. We still have all the same problems we had last year, no pace, leadership, width etc etc and i hesitate to say it but I have to query what the hell were Thorn, Waggott, Fisher, Shaw etc thinking during the close season. The problems were many and obvious they remain largely unaddressed.
Things can get better but the stench of failure runs through out the club and it is proving extremely hard to shift ....... it has grown over a decade and wont be gone in 6 matches.
The frustration I feel is largely fuelled by the feebleness and fragility of the side and the lack of clear thought and leadership off the pitch.
It has to get better surely .............. (can remamber saying that last season though)
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sky blue john
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Unless we get a change of ownership even with a new manager i don't expect things to change much.
The new manager will need at least four or five loan signings. He will be lucky if Sisu support him with two.
The new manager will need at least four or five loan signings. He will be lucky if Sisu support him with two.
sky blue john
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Being in the embargo so long cost us first choice signings which we are now suffering for.
Whose fault for the embargo ?
Whose fault for the embargo ?
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Assuming you are on about me, did you even read or understand my post? I meant a tough spell within a match, not a tough spell as in a period of our history
kdrinkell
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Well no I meant a tough spell as in this moment in time
neilyboy67
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dont surprise me in the least tbh, this clubs in freefall, my prediction for the season though is still 12th