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[Sky Blue Pete]

sound mate, is it a strange POV to think city fans and the people who use this forum should be represented by someone who challenges poor decisions?

So if you are unwilling to call this ok at fans forum why shouldn't someone else have a go?

No point engaging you just ignore and keep swinging the blows

There’s way of challenging and ways you will be ignored

fill your boots

 

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[clint van damme]

That really wasn’t what I said come on play fair

You might want to edit your post if that's not what you meant because that's how it sounds.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Really?

Yep really

 

[David O'Day]

No point engaging you just ignore and keep swinging the blows

There’s way of challenging and ways you will be ignored

fill your boots

So they will ignore you if you ask them about it in a public forum?

How does that work? Yes they can try and deflect but you can follow up on it and push the point.

The way they will ignore you is email the HoM

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

You might want to edit your post if that's not what you meant because that's how it sounds.

Fair enough

I’ve challenged the decision and asked the club why

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So they will ignore you if you ask them about it in a public forum?

How does that work? Yes they can try and deflect but you can follow up on it and push the point.

The way they will ignore you is email the HoM

I think the decision is wrong
Well the decision has been taken in discussion with the safety advisory group and the police liaison officer
Well it’s wrong cause I’m annoyed and many fans are annoyed
Ok thanks but we will stick with the decision based on the advice we’ve received

Now what??
As I say I’ve asked the club let’s see what the reason is and debate that

 

[David O'Day]

Fair enough

I’ve challenged the decision and asked the club why

That wasn't a challenge Pete?

A challenge would be something like

"Hi Mark,

I hope you are well.

I was wondering if you could help answer a question that a number of disgruntled fans on our forum have. Why have the seats in blocks 2 and 3 been taken off sale? Was it a SAG instruction and if so what caused them to ask this as there has been no incidents that seem to justify these actions?

Many thanks.

 

[ccfc1234]

Ok let’s all calm down
Why do you think the decision is being taken?
it’s not to reduce atmosphere
It’s not to annoy you
It’s not to make the atmosphere worse
Why do you think it is?

I think (being charitable) it's because the club's or more specifically those who advise them are risk adverse to say the least. At worst it's because they are clueless about best practice in large stadia and authoritarian.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So they will ignore you if you ask them about it in a public forum?

How does that work? Yes they can try and deflect but you can follow up on it and push the point.

The way they will ignore you is email the HoM

Mark tends to reply very honestly and transparently to be fair

you sound like the trust reps who go and show how much they know and how much they should be listened to and then get completely ignored

 

[David O'Day]

I think the decision is wrong
Well the decision has been taken in discussion with the safety advisory group and the police liaison officer
Well it’s wrong cause I’m annoyed and many fans are annoyed
Ok thanks but we will stick with the decision based on the advice we’ve received

Now what??
As I say I’ve asked the club let’s see what the reason is and debate that

No, you ask what was the incident that led to the decision? Then you challenge why should a heavy handed action was taken over such a minor incident.

 

[David O'Day]

Mark tends to reply very honestly and transparently to be fair

you sound like the trust reps who go and show how much they know and how much they should be listened to and then get completely ignored

No, no i don't. Let's be truthful now.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

That wasn't a challenge Pete?

A challenge would be something like

"Hi Mark,

I hope you are well.

I was wondering if you could help answer a question that a number of disgruntled fans on our forum have. Why have the seats in blocks 2 and 3 been taken off sale? Was it a SAG instruction and if so what caused them to ask this as there has been no incidents that seem to justify these actions?

Many thanks.

What you want to do is not change anything you just want to shout and whinge

i want to find solutions and change decisions based on evidence and good working relationships

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

No, you ask what was the incident that led to the decision? Then you challenge why should a heavy handed action was taken over such a minor incident.

Why assume stuff you don’t know to be true?

 

[clint van damme]

I think (being charitable) it's because the club's or more specifically those who advise them are risk adverse to say the least. At worst it's because they are clueless about best practice in large stadia and authoritarian.

I'd add that the police seem averse to doing their job as well. Rather than challenging miscreants and misbehaviour they're happy to advise the cub to limit tickets and close blocks.

Saves them having to do what they're paid for and gives them more free time to spend playing with their drones.

 

[David O'Day]

What you want to do is not change anything you just want to shout and whinge

i want to find solutions and change decisions based on evidence and good working relationships

That's not shouting and whinging is it Pete.

It's politely asking a question that people on the forum that you are meant to represent think is important.

It seems you like the trust did with wasps want to be liked more than you want to represent

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

No, no i don't. Let's be truthful now.

I am, you do
I’m not having a go I accept my practice is a certain way of going about things that believes building relationship is the only way to influence

You feel tackling everything as a confrontation gets better results

That’s ok it’s not right and wrong I’m sure you’ve found that works well as I have found the way I work gets results too

 

[David O'Day]

Why assume stuff you don’t know to be true?

What do I assume? I said you establish why the decision was taken i.e. the actual incident. Is it an assumption now to say that something must of caused this decision?

 

[theferret]

What you want to do is not change anything you just want to shout and whinge

i want to find solutions and change decisions based on evidence and good working relationships

There is no example I am aware of where a decision has been changed though. Why are tickets sales still restricted in 14-16, there is no reason for it. When will that change come?

All we see are more restrictions, more closed blocks, more netting, more steel fencing outside, more stewards, more police. Where does this end? This is lunacy and needs to be challenged. It is harming our football club. The police bill alone must be enormous.

 

[David O'Day]

I am, you do
I’m not having a go I accept my practice is a certain way of going about things that believes building relationship is the only way to influence

You feel tackling everything as a confrontation gets better results

That’s ok it’s not right and wrong I’m sure you’ve found that works well as I have found the way I work gets results too

What results have you got? There's been nearly a season of awful decisions and nothing has changed

 

[David O'Day]

There is no example I am aware of where a decision has been changed though. Why are tickets sales still restricted in 14-16, there is no reason for it. When will that change come?

All we see are more restrictions, more closed blocks, more netting, more steel fencing outside, more stewards, more police. Where does this end? This is lunacy and needs to be challenged. It is harming our football club. The police bill alone must be enormous.

This exactly, there is no evidence the please like me method has worked. In fact there's plenty of evidence that it's not working.

 

[SkyblueDad]

If fans behave I’m sure in time they will re-open block 13, then 12

The North Stand is fine…..at night….but during the day you’re often looking straight into the sun - hopeless.

That needs sorting can’t do a lot when the sun is high but once it reflects through the glass window it blinds you, the windows need blacking out.

 

[Evo1883]

It doesn’t so why do you think the decisions has been made?

Not sure why you are supporting this Pete

 

[Evo1883]

Never realised we had so many lunatics in block 2 and 3 ..

 

[SBT]

Hi xxxx
Great to see you yesterday
Lots of questions being asked about why tickets have been taken off sale for blocks 2 and 3.
Was it a safety decision and one the club had any say over?
The feeling is that this and extending the segregation from the blocks in the corner is having a negative impact on the atmosphere in the stadium

Anyway would be useful to know why the decision has been made?

Thanks
Pete

Feels like the kisses at the start of this message are unnecessarily cozy, sort it out ffs

 

[Evo1883]

We already have 2000 police and 1300 stewards in singers corner .. do the safety group and authorities think coventry fans are 1990s galatasary ?

 

[David O'Day]

We already have 2000 police and 1300 stewards in singers corner .. do the safety group and authorities think coventry fans are 1990s galatasary ?

i want to know what trouble they are expecting in that tunnel as there's usually half of WMP and 90 stewards just standing there

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Feels like the kisses at the start of this message are unnecessarily cozy, sort it out ffs

Good point

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Not sure why you are supporting this Pete

I’m not

 

[SkyblueDad]

We already have 2000 police and 1300 stewards in singers corner .. do the safety group and authorities think coventry fans are 1990s galatasary ?

Trouble is there are quite a number of our fans not all youngsters either who love to face the away fans and do the goading and hand gesture bit, pathetic really and that encourages a response. While that continues blocks 11,12 & 13 will remain closed.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What results have you got? There's been nearly a season of awful decisions and nothing has changed

There is no example I am aware of where a decision has been changed though. Why are tickets sales still restricted in 14-16, there is no reason for it. When will that change come?

All we see are more restrictions, more closed blocks, more netting, more steel fencing outside, more stewards, more police. Where does this end? This is lunacy and needs to be challenged. It is harming our football club. The police bill alone must be enormous.

Are we talking about the fence
Singers corner
Blocks 2 and 3
Or lots of other things
No results whatsoever mate none at all ffs

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

i want to know what trouble they are expecting in that tunnel as there's usually half of WMP and 90 stewards just standing there

Why haven’t you sorted it

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

We already have 2000 police and 1300 stewards in singers corner .. do the safety group and authorities think coventry fans are 1990s galatasary ?

No wonder it's bloody crowded up there - almost as many cops and stewards as fans!

 

[JAM See]

Just been idly googling one of the best ever atmospheres I can remember from away fans at the Ricoh ("She said no Marlon...").

Have a look at 6.25ish.

Make your own mind up about segregation.

 

[clint van damme]

Trouble is there are quite a number of our fans not all youngsters either who love to face the away fans and do the goading and hand gesture bit, pathetic really and that encourages a response. While that continues blocks 11,12 & 13 will remain closed.

And that doesn't happen anywhere else?

 

[David O'Day]

Are we talking about the fence
Singers corner
Blocks 2 and 3
Or lots of other things
No results whatsoever mate none at all ffs

What results have you had Pete? No one seems to know.