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edgy
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2500 sold..... asked for more.
Sky Blue Harry H
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0 - SAG have asked for the game to be called off in case any snowball fights break out, apparently.
Brylowes
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Leeds is not bigger than Liverpool & Manchester, the contiguous urban area of Leeds is around 750.000 Liverpool 1.2 million & Manchester 2.8 million.
Of course Leeds is the main city in the West Yorkshire conurbation but this is very Far reaching & includes many other towns and cities such as Bradford, Bingley, Wakefield, Halifax, Whetherby, Keigley & even Huddersfield.
Out of Preston, Newport, Reading and Birkenhead the only one I’d concede would be Reading and that would be pushing it.
Preston you would have to include all the towns within 25 miles to reach the population of Coventry ‘but then of course you could do exactly the same with Coventry.
Newport, really!!!
Birkenhead, is the largest of a cluster of towns on the Wirral Peninsula which are all basically suburbs of Liverpool , and when included in the Liverpool conurbation take’s it’s population to 1.7 million.
The nearest comparison’s I can find to Coventry by population and with one club are Southampton, Derby, Wolverhampton and Bradford.
shmmeee
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The fact is if we got promoted we’d fill the ground every week. And a chunk of that would stick around because nothing breeds fans like success. Mid table Championship were looking at 20k ish, if we sustain top ten then I could see that rising to mid twenties over a couple of seasons. And that’s not terrible.
I am quoting conurbation sizes as these are a truer reflection of the size of a place than 'city' populations which are often meaningless as they are determined by artificial lines on a map drawn by civil servants. You acknowledge that but seem to have come up with your own system of determining the size of urban areas. I am simply using this definition: List of urban areas in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia when comparing Coventry to roughly equivalent urban areas by size.
Brylowes
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Well even going from that, where does it say Leeds & Newcastle are bigger than Liverpool & Manchester ?
That’s a strange list tbh, comparing municipal countries with cities.
LastGarrison
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In my local on Sunday you could have sworn you were in a pub in Toxteth!!!
There has been a great deal of apathy towards the club for many years because, 87 aside, we never won anything, or were even competing to win anything and we were just perennial relegation fighters…….and they were the good old days!!
Since Robins came back there has been a distinct change and it is a lot more noticeable how many Coventry shirts are being worn around the City and there is a real growing ‘youth’ following which will serve the club well for many years to come and will then grow a new era of Cov supporters when they become parents themselves!
I joked about Sunday in the boozer but pretty much to a man all of the plastic Scousers in there were 40+ year olds who had supported ‘their club’ for years.
That’s definitely changing now and that’s because we are on the up and because of the atmosphere and they’re having a good experience and not seeing us get beat most weeks with the odd win now and again over one of the ‘big sides’ which was pretty customary for a lot of us over a certain age!
There has been a great deal of apathy towards the club for many years because, 87 aside, we never won anything, or were even competing to win anything and we were just perennial relegation fighters…….and they were the good old days!!
Since Robins came back there has been a distinct change and it is a lot more noticeable how many Coventry shirts are being worn around the City and there is a real growing ‘youth’ following which will serve the club well for many years to come and will then grow a new era of Cov supporters when they become parents themselves!
I joked about Sunday in the boozer but pretty much to a man all of the plastic Scousers in there were 40+ year olds who had supported ‘their club’ for years.
That’s definitely changing now and that’s because we are on the up and because of the atmosphere and they’re having a good experience and not seeing us get beat most weeks with the odd win now and again over one of the ‘big sides’ which was pretty customary for a lot of us over a certain age!
Grendel
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Im not sure we’d fill it every week
rob9872
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A lot of migration to the city and not just from overseas but for car building in the 60s. It means we don't have as much of that father to kids passed on affinity or affiliation which I think is a factor against more established followings, coupled with a distinct lack of apathy built on years of relative failure. We've been on an upward trajectory in more recent times and the numbers steadily growing. Hopefully that continues and we don't lose another entire generation of local kids following the premiership successful sides.
shmmeee
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I think we would. Worst case we’d be looking very high twenties.
The Philosopher
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Comparing attendances from now to yesteryear should always be looked at objectively.
Up until relatively recently, the number of people actually in a ground was under declared more often than not.
Cash through turnstiles often went to Chairman who would pocket some, top up wages so players didn’t pay 40% tax, put some aside for bungs etc. (that’s if the turnstile operators actually handed all the cash). I recall reading about Stan Flashman at Barnet in the 80s90s. 7000 people in the ground, 3000 declared.
It would not surprise me if a declared attendance of 20000 meant 25000 actual people in the ground back then, particularly in the terrace days where capacities were often ignored (with terrible consequences indirectly here in Sheffield).
Now it’s the other way around. Every season ticket is counted even if they don’t turn up - even kids tickets given. Underdeclaration of cash is not possible. Also, many other complimentary tickets counted and so on.
(Wasps were worse, their declared attendances were massively overinflated)
20000 declared attendance might mean 15-17000 actually in ground.
Can any of the senior posters on here add any thoughts on this? Did it seem to them that “20000” at HR look to be substantially more than 20000 at CBS?
Up until relatively recently, the number of people actually in a ground was under declared more often than not.
Cash through turnstiles often went to Chairman who would pocket some, top up wages so players didn’t pay 40% tax, put some aside for bungs etc. (that’s if the turnstile operators actually handed all the cash). I recall reading about Stan Flashman at Barnet in the 80s90s. 7000 people in the ground, 3000 declared.
It would not surprise me if a declared attendance of 20000 meant 25000 actual people in the ground back then, particularly in the terrace days where capacities were often ignored (with terrible consequences indirectly here in Sheffield).
Now it’s the other way around. Every season ticket is counted even if they don’t turn up - even kids tickets given. Underdeclaration of cash is not possible. Also, many other complimentary tickets counted and so on.
(Wasps were worse, their declared attendances were massively overinflated)
20000 declared attendance might mean 15-17000 actually in ground.
Can any of the senior posters on here add any thoughts on this? Did it seem to them that “20000” at HR look to be substantially more than 20000 at CBS?
Old Warwickshire lad
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Think Grendel is right, 4 or 5 k of so called fans, would only turn up for the glamour teams.
matesx
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20,000 at HR looked sardines
20,000 at CBS always looks more that it should... 20,000 is only 62% of ground capacity but always looks more like 75% to me.... hmmm
Old Warwickshire lad
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Don’t know about that, but 8 or 9 k on a cold winters night at highfield rd. seemed worse than 8 or 9 k at CBS.
pusbccfc
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Course we would.
Look at other clubs at this level and compare their average attendance in the season they were promoted with the average in their first Premier League season.
Hull
Championship 17,000
Premier League 24,000
Cardiff
Championship 20,000
Premier League 31,000
Stoke
Championship 16,000
Premier League 26,000
Leicester
Championship 24,000
Premier League 31,000
Middlesbrough
Championship 24,000
Premier League 31,000
The list goes on. Huddersfield, Swansea, Wigan and Reading all similar.
We'd sell at least 24,000 season tickets. Everyone would want points so they could go to Chelsea and Liverpool away as well. Without a season ticket you'd not come close to doing the away trips.
Brylowes
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This is spot on
A good example being Ipswich Town.
Only a small town ( 170.000 pop ) but even in League
This is absolutely spot on.
A good example being Ipswich Town.
Only a small town ( 170.000 pop ) but even in League
pusbccfc
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That's because Ipswich is a one club region. It has the whole of Suffolk.
fernandopartridge
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TBF assuming you're on about the Dev, most people in there are City fans aren't they?
Grendel
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24,000 season tickets? Regardless of price?
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Do we want fans who only turn up for the big games to just not turn up, then? Would that be... better?
DazzleTommyDazzle
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The forecast says that despite being cold, it'll be sunny on Friday afternoon and Saturday morning.
Maybe that will inspire a few more to head to the CBS????
Maybe that will inspire a few more to head to the CBS????
skybluelee
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I just think they've forgotten to update that from the Sunderland game. Sales so far point to there being more than 18k City fans come ko. I could be talking bollocks though.
Brylowes
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For some reason only the first few lines of my reply came up, so for the record.
Ipswich had a great side throughout the 1960s, 70s, 80s they produced two of the best England managers, World Cup Winner Sir Alf Ramsey and the ever popular Sir Bobby Robson.
They qualified for European football 12 times including an eleven year period where they qualified eight times.
They won.
1 x 1st Division League Title.
1 x FA Cup.
1 x UEFA Cup.
It also has to be said they were very unlucky not to win a good few more.
This I firmly believe is the reason for their popularity today, they attracted the support during that long period of success and it’s been passed down from generation to generation.
Suffolk is a very sparsely populated county and Ipswich is at its southern most point, closest to London and all it’s teams.
letsallsingtogether
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Really that would mean we will only get 3000 to 4000 extra supporters.
With a points system those glamour supporters would struggle to get a ticket.
Leicester as I've mentioned before had a lower average crowd then us sold out most weeks in the prem their average has now overtook us, mind you 2 stints away from home hasnt helped.
LastGarrison
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You'd be surprised!
Loads of us are Cov but I'd say there was only about 30 or so in the bar Sunday and at least half of them were cheering on the Mickey's.
Even their Insta was celebrating Liverpool's win!
Johhny Blue
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Both
Brylowes
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A lot of those were probably people who just like to see Man Utd being humiliated
I know I do.Yeah but even I started to cheer Liverpools last 3 goals , nowt like watching the United panelist’s like Keane and Neville squirm
shmmeee
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We got about a 30% bump L1 to Champ, I’d expect at least that if not higher. We get around 17k home fans, I’d expect that to be 23/24k minimum in the Prem plus up to 6k away fans isn’t it? That’s about as close to a sell out as you’ll get.
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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Have they fuck
pusbccfc
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Absolutely. To see the likes of Harry Kane, Salah and Haaland every week.
Every other club sells it out.
It's very easy to sell a season ticket when you can guarantee a big club up there fortnightly.
pusbccfc
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I'm not sure to be honest, looks about right currently. A real shame.
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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Why would we sell 24k season tickets ? Based on what ?