Do you want to discuss boring politics? (44 Viewers)

[Grendel]

So you think our protesting is similar to that of the French?

So you think our protesting is similar to that of the French?

you said people don’t protest

If you want people looting and smashing things up good for you

 

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[PVA]

Well it seems Lineker was pretty spot on doesn't it?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Well it seems Lineker was pretty spot on doesn't it?

He said there wasn't an influx, surely given this it just proves he's completely wrong?

 

[shmmeee]

He said there wasn't an influx, surely given this it just proves he's completely wrong?

How so? This is just moving them out of hotels because people have been protesting about them being in hotels.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

He did but on the flip side, he said he planned to raise the pension age during the presidential election campaign and was re-elected

I’m no fan of Macron or the presidential system but he’s not doing this for his own benefit. Difficult decisions are rarely popular. Many people prefer for the can to be kicked down the road, leave the problem for someone else to deal with and that’s when you end up with the Johnson’s of this world promising the Earth and delivering very little

I'm not arguing the decision to raise it, I'm arguing the bypassing of a democratic prrocess to do it.

 

[Grendel]

I'm not arguing the decision to raise it, I'm arguing the bypassing of a democratic prrocess to do it.

I assume he has powers to do it in their republican constitution surely?

 

[CCFCSteve]

I'm not arguing the decision to raise it, I'm arguing the bypassing of a democratic prrocess to do it.

Yeah, mine was a general point about the French really. They chose to have a republic, they re-elected a president who said he planned to reform pensions/raise pension age…and now they’re rioting when their elected president uses his presidential powers to implement the changes he forewarned them about

Also general point that unfortunately as we all live longer there’s going to have to be more tough calls to be made surrounding pension age, higher taxes for social care and health etc, the sooner politicians are honest with the public about this, the better

 

[Ian1779]

How so? This is just moving them out of hotels because people have been protesting about them being in hotels.

I’m sure people will be protesting about the hotels going out of business now…… any minute.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

As a small aside, I read the headline and thought yes, it was ridiculous she was doing a list.

Liz Truss resignation honours list criticised by ex-aides

The former PM, who spent 49 days in office, has reportedly nominated four people for peerages.

www.bbc.co.uk

Then I read the list and it's... four people. OK, I don't like them, but would I like anybody Liz Truss nominated? And at least it's not her Mum - it's not exactly on a Johnson level, is it?

 

[SBT]

As a small aside, I read the headline and thought yes, it was ridiculous she was doing a list.

Liz Truss resignation honours list criticised by ex-aides

The former PM, who spent 49 days in office, has reportedly nominated four people for peerages.

www.bbc.co.uk

Then I read the list and it's... four people. OK, I don't like them, but would I like anybody Liz Truss nominated? And at least it's not her Mum - it's not exactly on a Johnson level, is it?

Littlewood getting a nod after bigging up the mini-budget is pretty funny.

 

[Northants Sky Blue]

Thing is those 4 were architects of a catastrophic budget which will cost us taxpayers billions and billions

Instead of becoming law-making Lords they should be doing a long stretch in Broadmoor

As a small aside, I read the headline and thought yes, it was ridiculous she was doing a list.

Liz Truss resignation honours list criticised by ex-aides

The former PM, who spent 49 days in office, has reportedly nominated four people for peerages.

www.bbc.co.uk

Then I read the list and it's... four people. OK, I don't like them, but would I like anybody Liz Truss nominated? And at least it's not her Mum - it's not exactly on a Johnson level, is it?

 

[PVA]

I thought this was a decent summary of it!

 

[Grendel]

Used to deal with one of his companies where I worked.
. He had cash flow problems, got special payment terms but eventually we took the work of him.
We took half the process in house and out sourced the other half to a firm down south. The fella that owned that company made very serious money out of it.
God knows how Godfrey fucked it up, I think he maynot be quite as shrewd as he thinks, not sure why anyone would listen to him about anything!

Tony probably stopped voting for ukip when they removed the whip from him

 

[JAM See]

I thought this was a decent summary of it!

@shmmeee approves of the HoL, with its unelected, partisan membership (Clergy and Cronies basically).

Go figure.

 

[Grendel]

@shmmeee approves of the HoL, with its unelected, partisan membership (Clergy and Cronies basically).

Go figure.

As you approve one assumes of a republic where a little napoleon can do what he likes

 

[JAM See]

As you approve one assumes of a republic where a little napoleon can do what he likes

Yawn.

 

[shmmeee]

@shmmeee approves of the HoL, with its unelected, partisan membership (Clergy and Cronies basically).

Go figure.

I do. I just want better nomination processes and no peerages for life.

 

[Ian1779]

I thought this was a decent summary of it!

Tom Peck has facilitated shit like this his entire journalistic career - he can get fucked.

 

[shmmeee]

When did “unelected” become the worst possible thing in the world? The vast majority of people in any democracy aren’t elected and never have been. We hear it about the civil service, the EU, the HoL.

Where does it end? Elections for teachers and bin men?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Tom Peck has facilitated shit like this his entire journalistic career - he can get fucked.

Yep, the smug c**t

 

[JAM See]

When did “unelected” become the worst possible thing in the world? The vast majority of people in any democracy aren’t elected and never have been. We hear it about the civil service, the EU, the HoL.

Where does it end? Elections for teachers and bin men?

Nobody has a 'job for life', except the lawmakers in the HoL.

It's a crony riddled gravy train that has actual embedded political power.

It's not fit for purpose. It was a temporary solution enabled by the Parliament Act 1911, and the fact that it's still bumbling along today is a disgrace.

 

[shmmeee]

Nobody has a 'job for life', except the lawmakers in the HoL.

It's a crony riddled gravy train that has actual embedded political power.

It's not fit for purpose. It was a temporary solution enabled by the Parliament Act 1911, and the fact that it's still bumbling along today is a disgrace.

Yeah jobs for life shouldn’t exist but that wasn’t your main complaint it was that they were unelected.

Its far more fit for purpose than an elected second chamber which would be an absolute joke as well as a serious weakening of the law making process IMO.

Frankly anyone anti Brexit should be glad the Lords exists.

 

[JAM See]

Yeah jobs for life shouldn’t exist but that wasn’t your main complaint it was that they were unelected.

Its far more fit for purpose than an elected second chamber which would be an absolute joke as well as a serious weakening of the law making process IMO.

Frankly anyone anti Brexit should be glad the Lords exists.

If I wanted your opinion, I'd give it to you.

 

[PVA]

The worst thing about this is not the obscene amounts of cash they're asking for, but the fact they're so easily duped into talking to a fake company. Seemingly no vetting process, just whoring themselves out to anyone with the money.

 

[skybluetony176]

The worst thing about this is not the obscene amounts of cash they're asking for, but the fact they're so easily duped into talking to a fake company. Seemingly no vetting process, just whoring themselves out to anyone with the money.

£10K. Talk about having an over inflated opinion of yourself.

 

[chiefdave]

£10K. Talk about having an over inflated opinion of yourself.

You can see why Kwarteng with his brilliant grasp of the difference between dollars and pounds

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Yeah jobs for life shouldn’t exist but that wasn’t your main complaint it was that they were unelected.

Its far more fit for purpose than an elected second chamber which would be an absolute joke as well as a serious weakening of the law making process IMO.

Frankly anyone anti Brexit should be glad the Lords exists.

How can it be a weakening of the law-making process when it can be effectively controlled by the party in government with new appointments. Just gets bigger and bigger and costs more? Plus the government can overrule them and push legislation through anyway, using the excuse they have no mandate as they're unelected.

At least an elected chamber might better reflect the overall mood of the population and thus have a mandate.

Obviously it would depend on how it was implemented but I can't see how having an unelected upper chamber chosen by the parties in power is better. Why not just go back to making it controlled by the crown and landowners?

 

[CCFCSteve]

I

When did “unelected” become the worst possible thing in the world? The vast majority of people in any democracy aren’t elected and never have been. We hear it about the civil service, the EU, the HoL.

Where does it end? Elections for teachers and bin men?

yeah, would rather have some more ‘normal’ people in the HofL…rather than just packed with politicians.

ps

Yeah, mine was a general point about the French really. They chose to have a republic, they re-elected a president who said he planned to reform pensions/raise pension age…and now they’re rioting when their elected president uses his presidential powers to implement the changes he forewarned them about

Also general point that unfortunately as we all live longer there’s going to have to be more tough calls to be made surrounding pension age, higher taxes for social care and health etc, the sooner politicians are honest with the public about this, the better

Bizarre timing but an interesting article below kind of covering some of this stuff. It’s not really about Johnson so much as how as a voting public we and most of the West, want things without the cost/consequence so end up with people like Johnson

The Times & The Sunday Times

News and opinion from The Times & The Sunday Times

www.thetimes.co.uk

 

[Grendel]

How can it be a weakening of the law-making process when it can be effectively controlled by the party in government with new appointments. Just gets bigger and bigger and costs more? Plus the government can overrule them and push legislation through anyway, using the excuse they have no mandate as they're unelected.

At least an elected chamber might better reflect the overall mood of the population and thus have a mandate.

Obviously it would depend on how it was implemented but I can't see how having an unelected upper chamber chosen by the parties in power is better. Why not just go back to making it controlled by the crown and landowners?

lol

 

[fernandopartridge]

How can it be a weakening of the law-making process when it can be effectively controlled by the party in government with new appointments. Just gets bigger and bigger and costs more? Plus the government can overrule them and push legislation through anyway, using the excuse they have no mandate as they're unelected.

At least an elected chamber might better reflect the overall mood of the population and thus have a mandate.

Obviously it would depend on how it was implemented but I can't see how having an unelected upper chamber chosen by the parties in power is better. Why not just go back to making it controlled by the crown and landowners?

But the elected chamber would just be a reflection of the other elected chamber, so completely pointless?

 

[Grendel]

But the elected chamber would just be a reflection of the other elected chamber, so completely pointless?

it seems he wants President Johnson

 

[skybluetony176]

But the elected chamber would just be a reflection of the other elected chamber, so completely pointless?

Depends on what system we’d use to vote them in. If it’s FPTP then it would be pointless. If it was a different system that represented vote share then it would have a better bearing on what people voted and therefore a legitimacy.

 

[Grendel]

Depends on what system we’d use to vote them in. If it’s FPTP then it would be pointless. If it was a different system that represented vote share then it would have a better bearing on what people voted and therefore a legitimacy.

Ah so would want a stalemate system where no legislation gets past a second chamber

 

[skybluetony176]

Ah so would want a stalemate system where no legislation gets past a second chamber

You seem to be suggesting that doesn’t happen already. Only now it happens through an unelected system.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Ah so would want a stalemate system where no legislation gets past a second chamber

Maybe King Charles could get off his arse and write some legislation himself. Of course he might have to lift his own pen to do it