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Mary_Mungo_Midge
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That could have happened. But recent history shows us it's SISU who change negotiations / contracts; so it's a case of making a call based on recent evidence
lordsummerisle
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I've been against Sisu from the start as you know, always been disingenuous to say the least whoever the spokesman has been.
Ranson,Elliott, Dulieu,Fisher all have their agendas, not an awful lot of truth from anybody, but doesn't necessarily mean that everything anybody says is a lie, that's self-defeating to anybody who wants to make a serious argument against them.
To the same extent that they haven't yet refuted the "rumour"(I don't know possibly busy installing a new manager or something), a rumour with no substance or reference shouldn't automatically be assumed to be the truth because it fits in with your world-view.
usskyblue
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In reality it's a guess that's bereft of fact.
lordsummerisle
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Grendel
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How about the evidence that suggests Waggott did a good job at Charlton? Also how about an assumption on how Ince may negotiate based on his charecter?
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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I have no faith in this current regime, and my belief in the sanctity of this story stems from it being symbolic of recent events, as much as it's lack of denial. That stated, I do think they'd have found time for denial should it have reflected well on them to do so
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skyblueman
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The evidence that matters, and is most current, is the job he is doing here at Cov - and that ain't too great so far
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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What he did at Charlton is of no interest to me. A long time ago, I used to like Gary Glitter....
Since being at Coventry, he failed in bringing in targets in January and the loan window, and failed to pick up our summer transfer targets due to the employer he's now cosying-up against leaving us in an embargo situation. Now he's complicit on the farce of sacking the manager 3 games into the season without successor. When the local paper runs a story that he's missed out - yet again - I can see substance in it as this bloke's like Ray Charles in a darts match
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usskyblue
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MMM...Your incessant questioning of situations based purely on guess work rather than fact is lowering your stock.
Whilst some would forgive your wariness given the boards track record, it doesn't necessarily give credence to the theory that everything that happens is SISU's fault
Whilst some would forgive your wariness given the boards track record, it doesn't necessarily give credence to the theory that everything that happens is SISU's fault
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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It's not guesswork. It's a story run in the most widely circulated newspaper in the City it appertains to. By all means pour scorn on the journalism of the CET, but guesswork on my behalf, it's not
ashbyjan
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Think we dodged a bullet missing out on the walking ego that is Ince, don't really care if its because he didn't like the length of contract, size of wages or whatever Robbins is a far better choice and we have to give him a chance. He has enough on his plate with a board that won't back him as they allegedly have no money for unimportant things like strengthening the team, a team that has the backbone of a jellyfish and supporters so starved of success that huge numbers just don't care any more.
usskyblue
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With respect, while you're entitled to believe what you wish, I choose not to believe everything I read in the papers.
The facts may never be known, and we are all entitled to our opinions. I'm just wary of stating opinion as fact until the facts are known.
Not everything that happens is SISU's fault. It's a novel concept to some, but one I'm prepared to believe without fact but the law of averages on my side.
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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Besides, Grenduffy, I know I said I wasn't interested, but I'm now piqued by your comments. Can you enlighten me as to what it was that Waggott did at Charlton that was so befitting of the adoration you now coronate him with?
He was appointed in April 2008, and in his first full season (2008-09) as Chief Executive, they were relegated from The Championship, finishing rock bottom. Oops!
In January '09, this guru of ours told featured in The Times as follows: 'CHARLTON chief executive Steve Waggott has told the Times he never envisaged the Addicks would struggle so much in their second season outside of the top flight. The SE7 club find themselves rock bottom of the Championship, trailing Watford - who sit one place above the relegation places - by a daunting eight points. And Waggott acknowledges that relegation-threatened Charlton, who also announced a £11.5m loss earlier this month, are struggling'
Heading into that season, there appeared to be a touch of disharmony among the fans that Waggott hadn't signed enough players (sound a bit like January of this season here), anyway, as follows:
http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/18464/are-you-watching-steve-waggott
They subsequently missed out on promotion in the 09/10 season
Then, in June 2010, Waggott left Charlton in a 'cost cutting measure'. Richard Murray - Chairman - stated "the board of directors and I have agreed that Steve will leave his role as CEO at the end of the month, but he will continue to assist me during the transfer window on reshaping the first-team squad for the forthcoming season".
With all Mr Waggot's 'help' and eye for a keen player, Charlton then went on to drop even further down the league, finishing 13th in League One. Double oops!
And this being how Charlton fans greeted the news that - yet again - Mr Waggott had an association with a relegated club:
http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/48558/steve-waggott-gone-down-with-coventry-coincidence
Okay, some people think he's a nice bloke, but just as many think - seemingly - he's an overpaid nobody. What makes you conclude he's the Martin Luther King of lower league football? A revolutionary beyond compare?
He was appointed in April 2008, and in his first full season (2008-09) as Chief Executive, they were relegated from The Championship, finishing rock bottom. Oops!
In January '09, this guru of ours told featured in The Times as follows: 'CHARLTON chief executive Steve Waggott has told the Times he never envisaged the Addicks would struggle so much in their second season outside of the top flight. The SE7 club find themselves rock bottom of the Championship, trailing Watford - who sit one place above the relegation places - by a daunting eight points. And Waggott acknowledges that relegation-threatened Charlton, who also announced a £11.5m loss earlier this month, are struggling'
Heading into that season, there appeared to be a touch of disharmony among the fans that Waggott hadn't signed enough players (sound a bit like January of this season here), anyway, as follows:
http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/18464/are-you-watching-steve-waggott
They subsequently missed out on promotion in the 09/10 season
Then, in June 2010, Waggott left Charlton in a 'cost cutting measure'. Richard Murray - Chairman - stated "the board of directors and I have agreed that Steve will leave his role as CEO at the end of the month, but he will continue to assist me during the transfer window on reshaping the first-team squad for the forthcoming season".
With all Mr Waggot's 'help' and eye for a keen player, Charlton then went on to drop even further down the league, finishing 13th in League One. Double oops!
And this being how Charlton fans greeted the news that - yet again - Mr Waggott had an association with a relegated club:
http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/48558/steve-waggott-gone-down-with-coventry-coincidence
Okay, some people think he's a nice bloke, but just as many think - seemingly - he's an overpaid nobody. What makes you conclude he's the Martin Luther King of lower league football? A revolutionary beyond compare?
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WhiteyBFC
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Hammill was first brought to Oakwell by Simon Davey, not Mark Robins.
And Adam le Fondre wasn't 'found' by Robins either, he was already prolific and sought after, after his spell with Rochdale and Keith Hill.
Evans020
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To be fair it sounds like you just have a small issue with mark Robins..you sound like most fans do about ex managers
WhiteyBFC
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Wrong.
I'm merely being honest, trying to give you an insight into your new gaffer - a guy I've seen week in week out for 2 years as BFC manager.
I don't think it's fair that a post suggests he found two gems in Hammill and le Fondre, when that's untrue. It will give some of you the impression that he's got a good eye for a player, and one or two signings apart, that couldn't be further from the truth.
I liked him as a man, I met him and spoke with him often. However, I won't lie to you by claiming he's some sort of genius.
As I said on my thread, he's decent. And, he should stabilise you. He's potentially a good manager.
Nothing there suggests I have any bitterness.
Why would I be bitter? We're a far better team/club since he left and Keith Hill took the job on. Far better.
Evans020
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Mark robins 38% win ratio
Kieth hill 28% win ratio.
Even if the footballs better the results arent
sky blue zam
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theyll be the only gritters seen in coventry this year
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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Okay - fair point. I have little time for Waggott as he joined ahead of the January window and signed less players than our relegation candidates who went on to pull away from us in the league, then missed out on our summer transfer targets since we were straight-jacketed by embargo, stated he'd give Thorn chance to put things right conceding that 'there were off-the-field matters that affected team affairs and felt it was right and proper to give Andy the chance to put that right' then sacked him after 3 league games unbeaten, left us manager less for 4 successive league defeats, and then I read reports in local papers that stated that he'd offered the job to his Number One target who'd turned him down.
Now, that's much better. Even I concede
harvey098
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Okay - fair point. I have little time for Waggott as he joined ahead of the January window and signed less players than our relegation candidates who went on to pull away from us in the league, then missed out on our summer transfer targets since we were straight-jacketed by embargo, stated he'd give Thorn chance to put things right conceding that 'there were off-the-field matters that affected team affairs and felt it was right and proper to give Andy the chance to put that right' then sacked him after 3 league games unbeaten, left us manager less for 4 successive league defeats, and then I read reports in local papers that stated that he'd offered the job to his Number One target who'd turned him down.
Now, that's much better. Even I concede
Can I vote for poster of the year yet? I agree with almost every post you have made. Actually, I could just be wrong as well :-/
skyblueman
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What's the delay?????
Nothing to do with Terry Brown's sacking just I trust ....
Nothing to do with Terry Brown's sacking just I trust ....
harvey098
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You cant blame all of this on Gary Glitter.
WhiteyBFC
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Many attributing factors though, to take into consideration.
Mark was given a bigger budget, and had the owner paying wages out of his own pocket.
The majority of his signings were Premier League loanees, or 750k signings such as Jason Shackell.
We had made over £2m the previous year from our FA Cup exploits.
Keith has had no such luxuries.
Keith has had to contend with injuries on an epic scale.
His most expensive recruit was signing both Scott Wiseman and Matty Done for a combined 200k from Rochdale.
And, win ratio is not how I judge my managers.
I prefer to judge them on the job they are doing, the football they're serving up, their attitude in interviews, the strategy they are using.
Keith Hill is thus doing a far better job than Mark Robins.
Obviously, as he's your new boss, you're going to try defend him, or find the good bits, and I understand that.
But I wouldn't be as slack as to try telling you how or why Aidy Boothroyd was better/worse than Chris Coleman.
Because I wouldn't have a clue, seen as I don't support Coventry, and can only go on stats such as win ratios.........
LJC_CCFC
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You should pay more attention to win ratio, despite thorny playing the some of the best football we had seen in recent years, he left with the worst win ratio of any manager. Football in the end is about winning, as thorny found out after three games this season
We'll_live_and_die
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Are SSN still outside the Ricoh?
lordsummerisle
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Just waiting for the white smoke to appear.
Grendel
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He played awful predictable football. The only people we thought it was the best football in recent years was the opposition who sussed it out time and time again.
stringyb92
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Yes they are
Skybluestu82
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Pretty sure 'Shawsy' has the worst win ratio record title!
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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The totality of his name rhymes with 'shitter'. Oh, why didn't we see the writing on the wall?
LJC_CCFC
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I'll admit that in parts it was awful especially this year, but it was so much better than the boring 442 football we got from booth, Coleman and dowie. The inability to keep a lead in the end killed of thorn
lordsummerisle
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We could definitely do with a Leader, but nobody wants to be in our Gang.