Now its potentially a reality , Will mark Robins be Coventrys greatest manager if we get promoted (36 Viewers)

[robbiethemole]

Thank you- long time lurker overseas, and for what it’s worth you are an excellent poster, especially in the match threads which can be a total cesspit

Geez don’t big him up too much hahaha

 

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[croatskyblue]

Fair enough, but that comment wasnt aimed solely at your post but was harking back to the last time this debate blew up!There were some quite disparaging remarks made.

if we’re talking ‘favourite’ manager then Sillett is mine. No disparaging here, as I said I have him above Hill. Taking all emotion out of it I just see as Robins would have achieved more with less.

 

[croatskyblue]

Ah city were fantastic that season ... at home , so good to watch , if Strachan was a decent manager we would have made Europe, we couldn't get results away

97/98 was a brilliant season, felt like we really were on the verge of something, especially with the 7 wins on the trot. We looked like we’d beat anyone in front of us.

 

[croatskyblue]

And Robins wouldn't have done what Hill did so there we are, apples and oranges, circles without an ending.

robins would have achieved 3 promotions in 5 years with all kinds of shit going on

hill achieved 2 promotions in 6 years with big backing and a highly supportive owner

Hill also never had to contend with teams coming down with parachute payments.

Hill was an absolute icon, but Robins’ achievements would eclipse his, in a more challenging era.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

robins would have achieved 3 promotions in 5 years with all kinds of shit going on

hill achieved 2 promotions in 6 years with big backing and a highly supportive owner

Hill also never had to contend with teams coming down with parachute payments.

Hill was an absolute icon, but Robins’ achievements would eclipse his, in a more challenging era.

And Hill changed an entire culture, not just of us but football.

 

[croatskyblue]

And Hill changed an entire culture, not just of us but football.

Agreed but we are talking about the best football manager.

As I said, Hill was an icon of the game and changed many things.

but in terms of on field achievements, the clear facts are that if we beat Luton than Hill can’t compete with what Robins would have done.

I mean- Hill was able to spend a world record fee for a goalkeeper, Robins has us on the verge of the Premier League with Ben Wilson.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Agreed but we are talking about the best football manager

And that's not just results, it's impact and legacy.

 

[croatskyblue]

And that's not just results, it's impact and legacy.

if we’re including things like legacies, then Hill’s legacy includes almost bankrupting the place in the 1980s, selling off players to fund things like the Washington Diplomats, and getting to the point where enraged fans were storming onto the pitch wishing him dead.

it also includes resigning on the eve of the new season in a huff because he wasn’t given the 10 year contract he wanted. Something which he himself admitted was a crazy request.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

If it's just results, then Tim Fisher's our most successful chairman. Two Wembley appearances, a League championship, and setting in place the foundations for this - chairman through half this season... his working relationship with Robins persuading Robins to come back here in the first place...

 

[Deleted member 5849]

if we’re including things like legacies, then Hill’s legacy includes almost bankrupting the place in the 1980s, selling off players to fund things like the Washington Diplomats, and getting to the point where enraged fans were storming onto the pitch wishing him dead

Not as manager it doesn't.

 

[croatskyblue]

If it's just results, then Tim Fisher's our most successful chairman. Two Wembley appearances, a League championship, and setting in place the foundations for this - chairman through half this season.

mentioning Tim Fisher really just reinforces what an incredible job Robins has done having to deal with all that.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

mentioning Tim Fisher really just reinforces what an incredible job Robins has done having to deal with all that.

Dealing with our most successful chairman? Guess there is pressure to live up to that.

 

[croatskyblue]

Not as manager it doesn't.

correct- if you want to only talk as manager, then his legacy is 2 promotions in 6 years, and rebuilding a club with the aid of possibly our best ever owner.

robins’ legacy as manager would be 3 promotions in 5 years, and rebuilding a club with the aid of probably our worst ever owner.

 

[JulianDarbyFTW]

I started supporting the club during the Sillett era. I can only judge based on the managers and teams I've seen since then, and I'd say he's already head and shoulders above the others, including Sillett. Look at the players we had when he took over. They were barely better than Sunday league. Look at the trials and tribulations we've had. Look at the attendances, the laughable traning ground, the homeless years, the sword of damacles constantly hanging over his and the club's head. Yet he's turned adversity into strength, and managed to do it year in, year out. He's our Alex Ferguson, a one-off who gets far more right than wrong.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

correct- if you want to only talk as manager, then his legacy is 2 promotions in 6 years, and rebuilding a club with the aid of possibly our best ever owner.

robins’ legacy as manager would be 3 promotions in 5 years, and rebuilding a club with the aid of probably our worst ever owner.

Managing is not just results.

As I said, apples and oranges.

 

[croatskyblue]

Dealing with our most successful chairman? Guess there is pressure to live up to that.

Lol, if you say so

 

[croatskyblue]

I started supporting the club during the Sillett era. I can only judge based on the managers and teams I've seen since then, and I'd say he's already head and shoulders above the others, including Sillett. Look at the players we had when he took over. They were barely better than Sunday league. Look at the trials and tribulations we've had. Look at the attendances, the laughable traning ground, the homeless years, the sword of damacles constantly hanging over his and the club's head. Yet he's turned adversity into strength, and managed to do it year in, year out. He's our Alex Ferguson, a one-off who gets far more right than wrong.

robins has also done it in this era where everyone is an expert, every week loads of people saying he’s clueless with subs or complaining he’s getting something badly wrong- there has never been more scrutiny on everything a manager does.

 

[croatskyblue]

Managing is not just results.

As I said, apples and oranges.

i agree again.

And Robins has presided over home attendances increasing by over 100%, and away attendances by much more than that. We are known as loud and great fans, that’s down to him.

you’re right, it’s about more than just results (although without results you’re screwed), and Robins has utterly transformed the supported base from a cynical, small band of fed up individuals to a big, loud, loyal army of fans. Our away support used to be a joke, look at it now. “That’s on Robins”.

that’s also some legacy right there

Jimmy Hill is a god of this club. But I can’t really see any metric where Robins wouldn’t be higher if we got promoted, unless he rocks up hosting Soccer AM and starts campaigning for wage increases

 

[PVA]

Managing is not just results.

As I said, apples and oranges.

Correct, and look at the player-fan relationship when he took over then, compared to now. He made a big deal of that in his first season and look at it now.

And not just the player-fan relationship, but the general feeling of the fans to the club as a whole. It's absolutely night and day and Robins deserves as much credit for that as the on field results (of course the two go nicely hand in hand).

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Correct, and look at the player-fan relationship when he took over then, compared to now. He made a big deal of that in his first season and look at it now.

And not just the player-fan relationship, but the general feeling of the fans to the club as a whole. It's absolutely night and day and Robins deserves as much credit for that as the on field results (of course the two go nicely hand in hand).

Bit I'm not running down what Robins has achieved, or denying it.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Using this argument will only ever end up looking bad for Jimmy Hill who as a manager , achieved as many promotions as Robins.. and will be 1 behind him should we win promotion .. he never managed us in the top flight as a manager

He did for a while

 

[PVA]

Bit I'm not running down what Robins has achieved, or denying it.

Just ignoring it then

 

[Grendel]

Correct, and look at the player-fan relationship when he took over then, compared to now. He made a big deal of that in his first season and look at it now.

And not just the player-fan relationship, but the general feeling of the fans to the club as a whole. It's absolutely night and day and Robins deserves as much credit for that as the on field results (of course the two go nicely hand in hand).

how does it compare in your opinion to when Sillett took over from Don Mackay

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Just ignoring it then

Not really no. Stating the qualities of others is not ignoring it, stating the inability to compare circumstance is not ignoring it. Stating repeatedly throughout however many seasons that Robins has succeeded despite the owners us but ignoring it. I know people like things in a box, a well defined list, but it's not really as simplistic as that.

 

[gruffskyblue]

Agreed but we are talking about the best football manager.

As I said, Hill was an icon of the game and changed many things.

but in terms of on field achievements, the clear facts are that if we beat Luton than Hill can’t compete with what Robins would have done.

I mean- Hill was able to spend a world record fee for a goalkeeper, Robins has us on the verge of the Premier League with Ben Wilson.

What a fabulous post! Perfect. Well said.

 

[croatskyblue]

how does it compare in your opinion to when Sillett took over from Don Mackay

I can’t remember who it was that said it (Regis maybe) but the feeling was Mackay wasn’t good enough to be coaching players, they didn’t like the way he wanted to play, and he didn’t have their respect.

Sillett coming in was seen as a breath of fresh air as he had the ability to see how players wanted to play- the prime example being Regis who wanted ball to feet, and that accompanied by his man management skills meant he was able to get them playing the way he did, and the team spirit was brilliant.

I don’t think Sillett inherited a bunch of donkeys by any means, after all most of them went on to lift the cup, but Sillett in my humble opinion had the best man management skills we ever had. He’s my favourite manager of all, and if we don’t get promoted then he retains my number one spot as greatest manager

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Look at how things unfolded after each manager left. The club stayed up and pushed on after Hill went, it struggled after Sillett went and if Robins went on each of the occasions Grendel wanted him to or hinted at it, we certainly wouldn’t be in this position.

For me he has overcome problems that none of his predecessors have barring Steven Pressley, and has dragged the club up to its highest finish in 22 years to be 90 minutes away from his third promotion. Ben Wilson the goalkeeper of the year for the division, something not even Paxman predicted.

 

[croatskyblue]

Look at how things unfolded after each manager left. The club stayed up and pushed on after Hill went, it struggled after Sillett went and if Robins went on each of the occasions Grendel wanted him to or hinted at it, we certainly wouldn’t be in this position.

For me he has overcome problems that none of his predecessors have barring Steven Pressley, and has dragged the club up to its highest finish in 22 years to be 90 minutes away from his third promotion. Ben Wilson the goalkeeper of the year for the division, something not even Paxman predicted.

so is that a yes or a no?

 

[procdoc]

No

I’m genuinely curious to know why you call for Robins’ head every season. I don’t expect a straight answer but I’m very interested to know why you start threads about it.

 

[croatskyblue]

I’m genuinely curious to know why you call for Robins’ head every season. I don’t expect a straight answer but I’m very interested to know why you start threads about it.

he called for Robins’ head?
On what basis?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

so is that a yes or a no?

I voted yes

 

[David O'Day]

he called for Robins’ head?
On what basis?

Wanted to replace him with Kenny Jackett, hence the Kenny Jackett comments you may see about the place.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

robins would have achieved 3 promotions in 5 years with all kinds of shit going on

hill achieved 2 promotions in 6 years with big backing and a highly supportive owner

Hill also never had to contend with teams coming down with parachute payments.

Hill was an absolute icon, but Robins’ achievements would eclipse his, in a more challenging era.

It wasn’t just the promotions with Hill he turned city from a nothing club to national recognition. He brought excitement to the club and he brought us first division football for the first time the football world was shocked when we had 10000 to a reserve match.MR even if we don’t go up this season has brought excitement to the club people are beginning to talk about us again if we go up they will be talking about us even more just like when we won the cup.
I go into town regularly you don’t see kids or adults walking round in other clubs shirts plenty of city ones though.
so in my opinion I’d put hill sillett and mr on one level

 

[croatskyblue]

Wanted to replace him with Kenny Jackett, hence the Kenny Jackett comments you may see about the place.

What- seriously or as a wind up? Kenny Jackett that was fired by Orient?

 

[David O'Day]

What- seriously or as a wind up?

That is a question you could ask about Grenners whole existence.