Ashes 2023 (22 Viewers)

[David O'Day]

Yes and we should have given Ireland back to the Irish too.

 

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[Otis]

Banned wasn't it? Or certainly not played.

 

[David O'Day]

Banned wasn't it? Or certainly not played.

Much like Careys actions it wasn't against the law but folk thought it shouldn't of happened

 

[Otis]

I wonder ........

 

[tisza]

Context has to play apart in this. if england were 89 for 9 or 368 for 6 not sure there's so much uproar.

 

[Otis]

Context has to play apart in this. if england were 89 for 9 or 368 for 6 not sure there's so much uproar.

It's a fair point. It was a lot to do with the balance of the game at the time wasn't it.

 

[David O'Day]

It's a fair point. It was a lot to do with the balance of the game at the time wasn't it.

I don't think it does, not many think we had a chance when it happened and if anything we likely got closer than we would of powered by the anger it caused

 

[Macca]

It was Stokes’ with his bat when he was making a run and the throw hit it and went for a four in the World Cup final. A total freak accident not premeditated. Not sure many walk these days unless it’s an obvious edge

I agree that over the five days Aussies deserved to win that test, although I thought we deserved to win at edgbaston. JB needs to step up as 25+ byes in this test, drops in last test and not many runs in this has put him under pressure. I’d have been tempted to rest Pope if shoulders fucked, keep Bairstow as batsman and bring in Foakes

Yes completely right my memory changed a bat to a helmet however I stand by the point. Stokes doing fairy tales about not wanting to win in certain circumstances. He could have asked umpires to replay the ball if he felt so strongly that it was a crap way to win

 

[Macca]

Most stupid thing is they don’t need to cheat to beat us. Fragile batters, pie chucking attack and not great in the field

 

[Jonny Barton]

Have to add, I am always for fair play. Whichever team, theirs or ours. I don't even like the City shithousing to win a game.

I guess I am just old school like that.

Yeah , I'm the same and I've mankaded a batsman! I gave him a warning though and when I ran him out he was literally 3 metres down the pitch.

Bairstow was obviously out in the laws of the game but the subjective spirit of the game comes into play which is slowly but surely dieing out.

Ive yet to see a comparative argument that makes sense, Starcs supposed catch the day before, Bairstow doing it to Labaschange, Pope running out de Grondhomme last year, Broad edging to first slip and not walking. Seen all those mentioned in places but all different arguments and irrelevant to me.

For me , Carey should have passed Bairstow and warned him - "Jonny, stay in your f***ing crease mate". Does it again and he's fair game. Obvious that Bairstow thought it was over. Ball in keepers hands, umpires giving caps back, scratch of the foot at the crease.

But Im old school and people draw the spirit of the game line in different places.

Aussies didn't help themselves in the Long Room by walking through laughing and smirking.

 

[Otis]

Yeah , I'm the same and I've mankaded a batsman! I gave him a warning though and when I ran him out he was literally 3 metres down the pitch.

Bairstow was obviously out in the laws of the game but the subjective spirit of the game comes into play which is slowly but surely dieing out.

Ive yet to see a comparative argument that makes sense, Starcs supposed catch the day before, Bairstow doing it to Labaschange, Pope running out de Grondhomme last year, Broad edging to first slip and not walking. Seen all those mentioned in places but all different arguments and irrelevant to me.

For me , Carey should have passed Bairstow and warned him - "Jonny, stay in your f***ing crease mate". Does it again and he's fair game. Obvious that Bairstow thought it was over. Ball in keepers hands, umpires giving caps back, scratch of the foot at the crease.

But Im old school and people draw the spirit of the game line in different places.

Aussies didn't help themselves in the Long Room by walking through laughing and smirking.

You see it with accused in the dock at the Old Bailey all the time.

Once a convict, always a convict.

 

[David O'Day]

the comedy sandpaper is surely making an appearance in leeds on thursday

 

[SkyBlueSoul]

This needs to be someone's fancy dress and just yell at whoever's fielding nearest.

 

[hill83]

It's just caused a lot of bad blood now.

Good

 

[Grendel]

Regarding spirit of the game I remember one game in the one day knockout tournament where 3 teams were fighting for two places

Somerset were at home. Peter Roebuck - a very strange man all round - had worked out that the rules didn’t say you can’t declare and he calculated if Somerset batted and declared after one over it was impossible for the opposition to beat them on run rate

So Somerset batted and they did it. They declared after 6 balls and the game was over in 10 minutes. Crowd had to be refunded

As I say strange guy Peter Roebuck

The Roebuck tragedy: a tale of love, beatings and blackmail

The 'sons' of the late cricket identity claim he had a dark side, writes Adam Shand in South Africa.

amp.smh.com.au

 

[MusicDating]

Regarding spirit of the game I remember one game in the one day knockout tournament where 3 teams were fighting for two places

Somerset were at home. Peter Roebuck - a very strange man all round - had worked out that the rules didn’t say you can’t declare and he calculated if Somerset batted and declared after one over it was impossible for the opposition to beat them on run rate

So Somerset batted and they did it. They declared after 6 balls and the game was over in 10 minutes. Crowd had to be refunded

As I say strange guy Peter Roebuck

The Roebuck tragedy: a tale of love, beatings and blackmail

The 'sons' of the late cricket identity claim he had a dark side, writes Adam Shand in South Africa.

amp.smh.com.au

Agree that Peter Roebuck was a very strange chap (not least sacking Viv!), but it was Brian Rose who triggered the Somerset declaration -

I do declare

Few incidents have been as cynical as Somerset's declaration after one over of their Benson & Hedges Cup one-dayer against Worcestershire

www.espncricinfo.com

 

[SkyBlueSoul]

 

[Grendel]

Agree that Peter Roebuck was a very strange chap (not least sacking Viv!), but it was Brian Rose who triggered the Somerset declaration -

I do declare

Few incidents have been as cynical as Somerset's declaration after one over of their Benson & Hedges Cup one-dayer against Worcestershire

www.espncricinfo.com

Briam rose was the captain and took all the flak as he should I guess but in his biography Roebuck admitted it was he whose cunning plan it was and pushed for it to happen

 

[CCFCSteve]

Nice response by stokes. I’d have highlighted Warner and Smith crying like babies after being caught cheating myself

 

[tisza]

Briam rose was the captain and took all the flak as he should I guess but in his biography Roebuck admitted it was he whose cunning plan it was and pushed for it to happen

Botham outed Roebuck as the "mastermind" as well in one of his biographies.

 

[David O'Day]

This the chance to get Foakes back in the team?

 

[SkyBlueSoul]

Pope out with a dislocated shoulder, how the hell did he carry on?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/66098368

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

This the chance to get Foakes back in the team?

Will be Lawrence as he has signed for Surrey for next season

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Duckett
walking wicket Crawley
Lawrence
Root
Stokes
Brook
Bairstow
Ali
Broad
Wood
Robinson

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Duckett
walking wicket Crawley
Lawrence
Root
Stokes
Brook
Bairstow
Ali
Broad
Wood
Robinson

To be fair to Crawley I think he’s not been that bad this series

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

To be fair to Crawley I think he’s not been that bad this series

He doesn’t go on and make really big scores looks great for half an hour and then gone.

 

[David O'Day]

He doesn’t go on and make really big scores looks great for half an hour and then gone.

That's how they want him to play though

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

He doesn’t go on and make really big scores looks great for half an hour and then gone.

I’m not a fan of Crawley but I think he’s been unlucky with this wickets - he’s been out to good balls

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

That's how they want him to play though

That’s why they will keep losing he exposes the middle order to quickly, so it wouldn’t surprise me to see them all out for 60 but equally they could get 600 (although stokes would declare to prove a point). I would rather see just one dasher at the top

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

He averages 28 in test cricket for reference Chris Woakes a bowling all rounder averages 27 (if the figures I just scanned are correct)

 

[Jonny Barton]

Gone for batting so the tail doesnt start at 8.

I think theyd pick me before Foakes rather than admit they were wrong

 

[David O'Day]

Ben Duckett, Zak Crawley, Harry Brook, Joe Root, Ben Stokes, Jonny Bairstow (wk), Chris Woakes, Moeen Ali, Stuart Broad, Mark Wood, Ollie Robinson

They have replaced a batsman and a bowler with 2 allrounders and a bowler with a faster bowler

 

[tisza]

Not sure about Brook at 3 with his short ball playing but still better than Lawrence. Bairstow at 6 makes more sense but longish tail if they are going to keep up the aggressive lower order batting.

 

[David O'Day]

Not sure about Brook at 3 with his short ball playing but still better than Lawrence. Bairstow at 6 makes more sense but longish tail if they are going to keep up the aggressive lower order batting.

That is just the annouced line upand can change on the day, it makes more sense to just bump everyone up a notch and root bat at 3

 

[SkyBlueSoul]

"Yorkshire's Brook has not batted higher than number five in his nine Tests to date. He has batted at three 13 times for his county, most recently in 2018."

Be interesting to see how that works out.