CET: Richard shaw sacked (3 Viewers)

[Gaz]

I don't watch the city players training so I couldn't say if Oggy should stay or not.
That's best left with the manager.

 

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[ricohman]

Shaw will prob not get full 3 years pay, they will compromise and he will leave with a year's salery, hopefullyl

 

[skyblueman]

Clear them all out - no time for sentiment - this is Robins time and it needs a fresh start in all areas

 

[rob9872]

Personally I don't feel we owe Oggy a living and if he was anybody else he'd have been sacked from the coaching staff a long time ago. He may not be a bad coach but the entire club needs a complete overhaul and a shift in culture, and it must be difficult to do that with Oggy still hanging around after all these years. He must think he's untouchable and surely that isn't something Robins wants at the club - no one should be employed entirely on sentiment, and if his presence at the club is holding us back then he needs to go too. A clean broom throughout the club is what we need IMO, clear out the failures and bring in staff who can contribute to a change in mentality at the club and raise the incredibly poor standards we've come to accept over the years.

Nobody is suggesting we owe him anything, but why change for changes sake? We have historically always had good keepers at this club and much more of a problem with the 10 in front of them. All clubs need a goalkeeping coach and in Murphy we have a decent keeper who by all accounts still respects and learns from Oggy. I just think some of you are looking at it and saying we've been continually sh*t for so long that it must be his fault, which clearly isn't the case that we are where we are.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

Glad to see h is gone, it was Thorn's way of bleeding even money out of the club by handing out jobs 'for the boys'.

Even by your idiotic standards, a preposterous post.

Thorn got him in because he thought he would be a reasonable assistant. He thought, I presume, the 3-year deal represented a platform for stability and the club's confidence in their new management team.

He appointed Shaw as he thought Shaw would serve him well.

That may not have been the case, but to insinuate he acted on any other ground an absolute joke

 

[Grendel]

Personally I don't feel we owe Oggy a living and if he was anybody else he'd have been sacked from the coaching staff a long time ago. He may not be a bad coach but the entire club needs a complete overhaul and a shift in culture, and it must be difficult to do that with Oggy still hanging around after all these years. He must think he's untouchable and surely that isn't something Robins wants at the club - no one should be employed entirely on sentiment, and if his presence at the club is holding us back then he needs to go too. A clean broom throughout the club is what we need IMO, clear out the failures and bring in staff who can contribute to a change in mentality at the club and raise the incredibly poor standards we've come to accept over the years.

You seem to be saying get rid of him as he has been here a long time. That seems illogical. Some continuity is never a bad thing and if robins ultimately considers he is doing a good job he should stay.

 

[oldskyblue58]

Whist this is true OSB58, there are always 2 sides to every story, and this time I find it encouraging that the Manager seems to have got what he wanted even after all the "their jobs are safe" rhetoric.

All the other managers have seemed to work to SISU rules, pretty much without a fight, but MR looks like he is taking a different course..... Very encouraging if true.

dont disagree and the comment wasnt really aimed at MR - I like what I have heard so far from him - a proper manager. The "look at what was said etc " was a more general remark aimed at SISU and the Board. There is a lot said that folk take as gospel and fail to take in the "we hope" "it might" etc that precedes it

 

[Ash]

Obviously Oggy isn't the sole reason behind our decline over the years, but the fact that he's been on the coaching staff throughout that time should be reason enough to part company with him. If Robins wants to instil a positive, winning attitude at the club then he should bring in coaches that he believes will be on board with that and not stick with any of the current coaches that have been here throughout the entire decline of CCFC.

 

[Sky Blue Sheepy]

Don't see why Oggy should go. All of our keepers have been as good as the level we were playing at and Murphy has got better since being with us imo. How many people have said Westwood saved us points a few years ago and Murphy's doing it atm - Swindon a prime example. He's done his job well so why sail him cuss others haven't?

 

[Ash]

How much of Westwood's 'keeping ability was down the Oggy though? Seem to remember he was just as good when he was at Carlisle, had never seen such an inspired performance from a 'keeper until i watched the Leeds v Carlisle play-off match at Elland Road!

 

[Covstu]

I think getting rid of Shaw was for the best, love the bloke as a player but he wasnt going to push us forward. I do like the fact that Robins isnt fucking around with these decisions, he has got rid of the players and backroom staff that he doesnt want. This shows great vision in what he wasnts to achieve at this club.

Maybe Oggy is next, who knows? Personnally over the last 10 years or so our goalkeepers have been one of the most consistent part of our team looking back to Oggy, Hedman, Kirkland, Westwood. Is Oggy responsible for it all, of course not but i think he has played a major part.

 

[Astute]

The idea is to cut out the crap parts of our club and keep the good bits.

If we had keeper problems whilst Oggy was in his position then I would say get rid of him. Murphy has improved a bit whilst with us. Westwood was a decent keeper when he came to us, but it would seem he improved a bit also. That is how he ended up where he has.

Shaw had to go if Robins wants to bring in his own right hand man. He seems to get what he wants. It looks as though SISU chose the right man. Now they are backing him.

 

[superskyblue]

Robins obviously isn't going to mess around, so whilst Oggy is here we have to assume Robins thinks he's up to the job do we not?

 

[Joy Division]

What on earth has Oggy got to do with all this? He's a goalkeeper coach. We seem to have turned a corner of late with Oggy still on board so why the problem?

 

[JulianDarbyFTW]

The report(s) I've read suggest Shaw, or rather the Ass Man position, was made redundant. That being the case I assume the pay-off is a lot less than we may expect. I'm not too hot on employment law nowadays but redundancy tends to pay poorly if your tenancy was short lived. I believe this would prohibit us from having another Ass Man for 2 years too..?

 

[skyblueman]

The report(s) I've read suggest Shaw, or rather the Ass Man position, was made redundant. That being the case I assume the pay-off is a lot less than we may expect. I'm not too hot on employment law nowadays but redundancy tends to pay poorly if your tenancy was short lived. I believe this would prohibit us from having another Ass Man for 2 years too..?

If it was a straight redundancy then we would be entitled to nothing as he has been there for less than a year... doubt it's this though as he would have been on a fixed term contract which would have specified termination clauses within so there must be a pay-off determined by whatever was in this contract

 

[davebart]

MR has obviously made such a resounding start that fans want him to take complete control. Shaws sacking might be seen as that - it is just as likely to be cost cutting. The CET say he will get compensation but not if his post is retired.

Even so MR will want not just a bunch of YES men around him but people who are competent. As far as anyone can see Oggy is a very good goalkeeping coach. It cannot be a coincidence that we have consistently had goalkeepers better than the rest of the team for a very long time.

Some people like to throw the baby out with the bathwater it seems.

 

[davebart]

We have to move forward

Not me. I prefer to move backwards in time.

 

[Baginton]

Good luck Richard, well done SISU for listening to Robins.

IN ROBINS WE TRUST.

 

[BurbageSkyBlues]

May I offer another consideration?

Releasing Shaw may give robins more flexibility with player deals? Possibly sisu have said that if he wants a loanee, then he needs to free some money up? Shaw will have a termination clause in his contract, but it may be related to his length of service, and is highly doubtful that it will be the full three years of salary.

 

[georgehudson]

maybe read the offal's statement ?
not very good imho

 

[Sawyer]

Wish him all the best, definitely not ready for a career in management.

 

[Tank Top]

I feel that Oggy might be the next victim of the economic cull which cost Richard Shaw his job, I just cant get my head round the need for seasoned mature Keepers to have individual coaches, young keepers, yes, and i'm talking about accademy level here, but by the time they have reached the age that Murphy and Westwood are, the "model is out of the "mold" and the various techniques in a keepers Armoury have set, and the "Old Dog new tricks" scenario applies, for alll his Shot stopping ability, murphy still has flaws in his Technique for Claiming the ball from crosses and corners, he is way below Westwood in this part of his game, often Flapping a the Ball rather than Catching it, this is a big percentage gamble, with the ball ending up anywhere, this fault is systemic in Murphs game, and any ammount of coaching will not remove it, it is what Murphy is comfortable with, a mind set he prefers.
I may upset a few, but in my opinion, although a great servant to the club and a legend with most of the fans, Oggy was not the complete all round Keeper, some fans think he was, his main glaring fault was in coming for crosses and corners, he would come and then change his mind and back peddle, stranded in no mans land at great cost, a keeper of Oggy's Height should be Bursting through every one in front of him to claim the ball, but he had this thing in his head, about his approach to claiming the ball and no ammount of coaching could change what he was comfortable with.
Before you Jump down my neck in defence of oggy, I will say I love the bloke to bits, he is the most loyal, honest, genuine, player that a club could wish for and a fair Keeper to boot, it will break his heart if he finds himself surplus to requirements, but with the Club looking to save on wages, the question may be asked
"Do we really need a first team Goalkeeping Coach"...What do you Think Fellas ?

 

[stevo_ccfc]

A goalkeeping coach is a very specialised job, and shouldn't be underestimated.

 

[rob9872]

Its a little like suggesting that we don't need a fitness coach because players know how to train and get fit, but as we saw in stages last season particularly, they play a pivotal role. In a game of tight margins even the smallest % edge can make the difference between success and failure. I am definitely in the pro Oggy camp as per my previous posts on this thread, but even if he was removed from post, then imo a replacement must be sought.

 

[torchomatic]

Weird that Murphy gets slagged off time and time again, yet on the other hand we're told that Oggy needs to stay as he does a good job.

 

[gspotgaz]

Weird that Murphy gets slagged off time and time again, yet on the other hand we're told that Oggy needs to stay as he does a good job.

Absolutely nothing wrong with Murphy , very good goalie at this level. Some plebs still expect a prem standard goalie who doesn't make a single error ..

 

[skyblueman]

I can think of better ways to reduce the wage bill.......

Step forward Mr Waggot

 

[CovfanDan]

Keys giving his negative views again on talksport, nobhead never has a word to say when we win but whenever anything 'bad' like shaw being sacked happens he is all over it:jerkit:

Heard that, what a knob head, spouting off a quote from the CET from two weeks ago.

Did it occur to him that when Robins got the job, he was told that as we have a habit of sacking managers, he (Robins) would have to make do with the backroom staff?

Now as Robins has clearly started to turn things around, the board may have said, 'you know what, Robins is doing alright here, if he wants to bring in a few of his own men and get rid of Shaw, then so be it, we support him'

 

[skyblueinBaku]

I can think of better ways to reduce the wage bill.......

Step forward Mr Waggot

And take Mr Fisher with you. With his skill at spin and nice sounding statements that amount to nothing, he should be in politics.

 

[Astute]

Whoever chose Robins should stay. They either chose well or were very lucky. Whoever can help us improve should stay. Everyone else should be shown the door and replace as needed.

 

[skyblueman]

Whoever chose Robins should stay. They either chose well or were very lucky. Whoever can help us improve should stay. Everyone else should be shown the door and replace as needed.

They got lucky with Robins IMO ...

Didn't Waggot back Thorn over the summer and for 3 whole games?
Didn't Waggot spend forever getting a replacement?
Didn't Waggot screw up with the bonus system?
Didn't Waggot want Ince?
Didn't Waggot declare whoever came in had to work with the existing staff?

Come on the guy's a muppet

 

[Astute]

They got lucky with Robins IMO ...

Didn't Waggot back Thorn over the summer and for 3 whole games? There was said to be an agreement that we would get a certain amount of points at the start of the season.

Didn't Waggot spend forever getting a replacement? Better to make the right decision than rush the wrong man in.

Didn't Waggot screw up with the bonus system? Players were already being paid for losing before he came in.

Didn't Waggot want Ince? Proof?

Didn't Waggot declare whoever came in had to work with the existing staff? Has he seen that Robins knows what he is doing and is now doing all he can to help him? Would you prefer he would have offered him everything and then gave him nothing? I am glad Robins is being backed all the way with what he wants.

Come on the guy's a muppet You are allowed an opinion. Don't mean it is right though. Things have improved since he arrived. That is good enough for me.

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[skyblueman]

Improved as in dropping like a stone to the bottom of League one?

Waggot been here a good while now and I'm sorry but I don't think he has helped our cause we are a lot worse off now than we were a year ago

The Thorn issue was a total farce - he should have gone before the summer that is obvious - instead he was allowed to build a new team and staff then given just 3 competitive games then sacked

The replacement period has put a massive dent in our chances of promotion this year - we didn't have the luxury of time

The bonus system was not handled well at all and I think the consensus is it had a bad affect on the players

Don't get me wrong I'm pleased they are backing Robins that is good - what annoys me is all the statements about what's going to happen and then there's a complete reversal - it's like the guy just can't make up his mind and just reacts knee-jerk to things going bad all the time

 

[wingy]

Madam is in the House ,The strings of Fisher +Waggot are being pulled by herself.The kneejerk actions and contrary statements have all the hallmarks of the Feminine Touch,I hope she's getting a regular supply of HRT tablets or its going to be a bumpy ride for more than one week in every month"The Curse".When will ours be lifted?
On the subject of Oggy ,what was he doing when Seamus McDonagh was GK coach under Adams??