Brighton Sky Blue
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The numbers attempting to cross the water are a very small % of the overall figure. Treating them as criminals is abhorrent irrespective of the numbers
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67% of asylum seekers on which a decision was made in 2023 were granted refugee permission or similar. Those people have been deemed worthy of protection as they are deemed to be at serious risk of harm in their home country.
That is, btw, a fraction of the people who we offered a safe route to resettle in this country, and / or to come from Ukraine and Hong Kong.
So what makes the first group demonised...?
That is, btw, a fraction of the people who we offered a safe route to resettle in this country, and / or to come from Ukraine and Hong Kong.
So what makes the first group demonised...?
shmmeee
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Don’t get the issue with this. Do we want people not removed? The entire point is Bangladesh is an easy place to return people to and we don’t so instead of sending them to Rwanda for loads just send them back home for less.
People are acting like he said he wants vans roaming the streets looking for Bangladeshis to kidnap.
Sky Blue Pete
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fernandopartridge
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Taps the sign
shmmeee
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Taps the sign:
“Election campaigns aren’t where you make complex arguments about the economic system. That’s too late”
clint van damme
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Would say that disrupting people on their way to work isn't the best way to go about either.
clint van damme
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Probably shouldn't have used any nationality as an example, as the furore seems to bear out.
A more genetic illegal immigrants would have sufficed.
shmmeee
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It’s an example of a country that’s probably safe to return to unlike say Afghanistan. I agree the optics aren’t great but it’s impossible to say anything on immigration without being accused of being either Hitler or wanting open borders and to replace the white man.
The conversation on both sides ensures total purity and means nothing gets done. So frustrating. Clearly several hundred thousand a year is something that needs a policy behind it either in terms of who comes and what we do with those that shouldn’t be here or in terms of investment into required infrastructure.
One side wants to pretend there’s hundreds of thousands coming in on boats and sneaking off down the coast to work for Deliveroo, the other that no one should ever be deported once they’ve touched UK soil.
As a nation we seem incapable of having any sort of sensible conversation about immigration yet it’s consistently a top three voter concern. You’re never going to peel off those who just think numbers are high and those who think the Jews are sending them to commit white genocide if you allow no nuance.
clint van damme
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I agree.
And it's essential that Labour are seen to be strong on immigration because its clearly an important issue, (up from 4th most important to 3rd according to the latest yougov), and if its not perceived to be under control we're going to see the continued rise of fuck nuggets like reform.
But as you say, optics were wrong.
skybluetony176
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Unless you’re a Christian or any of the other minority religions. Christians especially get a lot of persecution, I think they’re the smallest minority group and don’t have freedom to celebrate their religion openly due to persecution in general, I don’t think it’s an official stance from government but it gets turned a blind eye to. They do have terrorism in Bangladesh too and ISIS has a foothold in some areas. It’s not Afghanistan for sure but it doesn’t mean it’s a safe country for everyone. Homosexuality is also illegal in Bangladesh so there’s that too.
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shmmeee
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Maybe it’s another live rail to stay off during an election campaign, but as much as I love planning reform, perhaps it’s best if Labour spend their capital up front on having an actual conversation about types of immigration and rules. I suspect a large amount of it is just mythbusting anyway (we’ll stop asylum seekers from getting a free house and car sort of thing), and that the rest, like restricting Africans coming in on care visas and restricting students, comes with a cost to be paid in taxes to support those vital industries.
At the very least Is be pushing for numbers split by group (arrival type, visa type) rather than one big scary number that the likes of Farage can pretend means anything.
These are all reasons someone’s claim might be accepted, but we’re talking about if it’s not do we send them to Rwanda or back to Bangladesh?
SBAndy
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Exactly what a genetically engineered illegal immigrant would say.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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I think those arriving on small boats are demonised for two main reasons.....
1. They are all arriving from a safe country (the way the French "deal" with the immigration issue makes Britain look virtuous btw)
2. A significant portion (about 25%) of those arriving over the last 2 years have been young men from Albania not fleeing persecution or war, but here for purely economic reasons........mainly in criminal enterprise.
EDIT: The simple & obvious solution would be to establish a British processing centre in Calais...... but neither the French nor UK seem to want that
A light bulb just went off in Farage's head!
clint van damme
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The Albanian thing is so strange.
The only theory I can come up with is senior tories don't want to do anything that disrupts the supply of ching in this country!
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Well actually in 2023, it was 4.7% of asylum claims from Albanians. It's fair to say that yes, they and India are the only nations with substantial claims where a low percentage are accepted (Turkey, incidentally, has an 85% acceptance of asylum claims, sounds a lovely place for a holiday!) but that's not the problem of other, valid asylum seekers.
As I've said repeatedly, the problem is what we do with people once their claims have been processed, and they've been denied refugee status. That's what needs fixing, not the disgusting attempt to victimise the oppressed and the desperate (lets all laugh at the victims of torture eh?).
And that's a relatively easy fix, too!
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Yeah....its proper weird. Apparently the UK even accepted about 50% of their dodgy claims for asylum.....whereas most European countries give Albanian asylum claims short shrift. Germany accepted 0% for example.
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In 2023, it was 9% of claims from Albania that were accepted.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Well actually I was talking about the small boats, where in 2022, over 25% of ALL small boat arrivals were Albanian......and of those who claimed asylum, 51% were accepted.....
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Albanians were the top small boat arriving nationality applying for asylum in the year ending June 2023, making up 24% of the total over that year. Of the 10,377 Albanian small boat arrivals in the year ending June 2023, 83% had applied for asylum (8,606 people, relating to 7,557 applications). Of these applications, 2,933 were withdrawn (39%) and 101 had received an initial decision (1%). Only 9 applications were granted refugee status or another type of leave.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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In 2022, more than a quarter of the 45,755 people who crossed the Channel in small boats came from Albania and most claimed asylum
Albania is a safe country, it is not at war and is a candidate country to join the European Union
However up to June 2022, 51% of asylum claims from Albania were initially accepted, a rate far higher than many comparable European nations. Nine countries, including Germany, accepted no asylum claims from Albania
Albania is a safe country, it is not at war and is a candidate country to join the European Union
However up to June 2022, 51% of asylum claims from Albania were initially accepted, a rate far higher than many comparable European nations. Nine countries, including Germany, accepted no asylum claims from Albania
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That's a one-off year, by no means standard of small boats and still leaves nearly 35,000 not from Albania.
I mean, you could argue this is engineered by government to create a populist racist policy if you were paranoid, given the total was 800 Albanians in 2021! Fortunately
I'm not paranoid, so the question must be asked why government allowed that to happen, not why 35,000 other people wanted to flee their homes. The fix is not to lump everybody in together, as mentioned, but what you do with those who fail an asylum claim.And that really is a very easy fix to do relative to a barking mad policy involving Rwanda!
What 2022 is, is by no means standard, nor even the the trend.
clint van damme
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No wonder they've all got long hair.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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That's a one-off year, by no means standard of small boats and still leaves nearly 35,000 not from Albania.
I mean, you could argue this is engineered by government to create a populist racist policy if you were paranoid, given the total was 800 Albanians in 2021! Fortunately
And that really is a very easy fix to do relative to a barking mad policy involving Rwanda!
What 2022 is, is by no means standard, nor even the the trend.
Yeah 2022 was a peak....but its certainly not gone back to the 2021 level....as your figures show, it still well over 10,000 Albanians arriving on boats in 2023, and still representing a quarter of all those arriving on small boats....
..... which is why I think that those arriving on small boats are demonised as opposed to the far greater numbers arriving by other means....
....and thats where I came in......and thats where I'm leaving it.
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tbf I never had a go at you for that post
nor decided you were a racist twat for saying it because i got the point and you weren't being, but wanted figures past perception here too.
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jimmyhillsfanclub
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tbf I never had a go at you for that post
Well I'm glad about that.
Figures past perception is good too....and it works both ways, because its also not helpful when people portray ALL those arriving on small boats as victims fleeing war & persecution when clearly a fair chunk (about a quarter in recent years as we've established
) are actually just Albanian chancers....Anyhow, I'm off to collect some beak while I get a trim & my van washed........ gotta love a chancer
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Same as not everybody deserves benefits who receives them / not every rich person is a tax evader, not every Tory is insane greedy self-centred scum but... you don't stop the innocent because of the acts of the guilty.
Yes I agree but the majority are arriving with student visas and never leaving. Whilst many seek genuine protection, there have been countless thousands arriving from all over the world purely for the hope of economic success. The numbers overall have been staggering and are altering the cultural make up of the UK. Some have a positive effect, some not so .
Winny the Bish
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Question for the group: am I a woke lefty or a centrist dad?
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You're conflating two things together.
As an aside.
- For students whose visas ended in the academic year 2018 to 2019, 35% successfully applied for new visas and stayed in the UK.
- The majority of non-EU students who stayed in the UK went on to another study visa after their courses between 2015 and 2020.
- Most students who stay for work receive a T2 skilled worker visa.
skybluetony176
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I see the Tories have rebranded as a fact checking service again on social media. Tax Check UK. Dodgy cunts. They just about got away with it last time as they had a weight of populism behind them. Just looks desperate this time and set to backfire like the rest of their campaign.
Nuskyblue
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Tight fisted wads won't pay for a new supply from the DNO by the sounds of it. A fairly common occurrence in my experience. There are 3 or 4 charging points around Earlsdon that I can't connect to, either because they are not on or are not on the app that you use to pay!