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[PVA]

Genuinely surprised at the pessimism on here. You're about to get the government you want with effectively no opposition. It's likely they will govern for at least a decade.
Why are you not looking forward with unbridled optimism?
Is it because you know that socialism wont significantly improve your life?

It's not pessimism, it's just that people who work hard get pretty pissed off when they're told to work harder.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

I refused to go to Bablake when I passed my 11 plus. You must have had a good job at 11 to contribute

I qualified as a referee in my teens and did 3-4 games a weekend to make a contribution.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

The thing is Ernie, nobody except shmmeee and PVA are getting the government they really want.

And even they don't believe that it will be anything like socialism.

 

[PVA]

And even they don't believe that it will be anything like socialism.

Yes it's only the Daily Mail and it's readership that thinks we're heading for extreme socialism.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

And even they don't believe that it will be anything like socialism.

Also most people on here want a social democracy ie a mix of socialist and capitalist policies. The government in my view should be in charge of healthcare, education, policing, the military etc. I don’t need it to run KFC.

 

[PVA]

Also most people on here want a social democracy ie a mix of socialist and capitalist policies. The government in my view should be in charge of healthcare, education, policing, the military etc. I don’t need it to run KFC.

KFC has gone significantly downhill in recent years though. Fuck the Tories!

 

[fernandopartridge]

Genuinely surprised at the pessimism on here. You're about to get the government you want with effectively no opposition. It's likely they will govern for at least a decade.
Why are you not looking forward with unbridled optimism?
Is it because you know that socialism wont significantly improve your life?

They're not promising socialism. Somebody of your age is the beneficiary of the UK's mild socialism of the early post war period, as are Malc and Grendel.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

The thing is Ernie, nobody except shmmeee and PVA are getting the government they really want.

You mean this Labour Govt wont be left enough for you ?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

KFC has gone significantly downhill in recent years though. Fuck the Tories!

Would rather have the colonel than Sunak tbf

 

[Grendel]

And even they don't believe that it will be anything like socialism.

PVA just votes for who someone tells him to - he is devoid of capable thought

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You mean this Labour Govt wont be left enough for you ?

Correct.

 

[clint van damme]

We've had socialism in this country for 14 years. Only a derivative that distributes wealth to a small tier of society.
Ask Robert Jenricks property developer pals, Michelle Mone, Dido Harding and Matt Hancocks barman.

 

[PVA]

PVA just votes for who someone tells him to - he is devoid of capable thought

Like 52% of the electorate in 2016 I guess, you included.

 

[Grendel]

Correct.

There are two die hard people who adopt traditional Labour views on this forum and you aren’t one of them.

 

[Grendel]

Like 52% of the electorate in 2016 I guess, you included.

The irony is true socialists voted the same way as me

 

[Deleted member 9744]

You mean this Labour Govt wont be left enough for you ?

Seriously you think Starmer is left wing?

 

[MalcSB]

People work hard today and pay tax the same as you did, you doing unpaid work is not virtuous and you're hardly unique in that

If they paid as much tax as I did, they would also be alright, Jack.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Starmer I believe will be a very weak leader, capitulating easily to pressure within the party. Most of that pressure will come from the left. I'd expect the govt to drift further left fairly quickly.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If they paid as much tax as I did, they would also be alright, Jack.

I paid tax alongside paying back the £9,000 I was charged to become a teacher.

 

[MalcSB]

Like 52% of the electorate in 2016 I guess, you included.

Salty

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Starmer I believe will be a very weak leader, capitulating easily to pressure within the party. Most of that pressure will come from the left. I'd expect the govt to drift further left fairly quickly.

He will be weak, and I’m not convinced he will last more than one term.

 

[SIR ERNIE]

Seriously you think Starmer is left wing?

Oh dear Herts

 

[PVA]

Salty

Well yes obviously I am salty about people actively voting to make the country worse (mostly for ridiculous/made up reasons).

 

[MalcSB]

I paid tax alongside paying back the £9,000 I was charged to become a teacher.

Tuition fees - introduced by Labour.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Tuition fees - introduced by Labour.

Correct. And then raised by both parties.

 

[MalcSB]

Well yes obviously I am salty about people actively voting to make the country worse (mostly for ridiculous/made up reasons).

A matter of opinion.

 

[PVA]

A matter of opinion.

Well it's not opinion, it's factual.

I'm not doing another Brexit argument, it's been done to death. It was a ridiculous act of self harm just because Nigel told you to.

 

[MalcSB]

Correct. And then raised by both parties.

And that is part of the problem, once one party has a wizard wheeze like tuition fees, and encouraging everybody to go in to HE, they are more likely to be increased than not. Student accommodation 8 big bus8ness now, and 7ni chancellors earn a fortune. Universities Are businesses soon, are they VAT exempt?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

And that is part of the problem, once one party has a wizard wheeze like tuition fees, and encouraging everybody to go in to HE, they are more likely to be increased than not. Student accommodation 8 big bus8ness now, and 7ni chancellors earn a fortune. Universities Are businesses soon, are they VAT exempt?

The difference is in also charging fees to train teachers and nurses we are detracting people from training in professions where we’re struggling for staff. So we end up needing to recruit from abroad but then certain people complain about immigration so…

 

[Grendel]

I paid tax alongside paying back the £9,000 I was charged to become a teacher.

You have paid it all back?

 

[MalcSB]

The difference is in also charging fees to train teachers and nurses we are detracting people from training in professions where we’re struggling for staff. So we end up needing to recruit from abroad but then certain people complain about immigration so…

Making courses such a as that exempt from tuition fees would be a great idea.

 

[Grendel]

The difference is in also charging fees to train teachers and nurses we are detracting people from training in professions where we’re struggling for staff. So we end up needing to recruit from abroad but then certain people complain about immigration so…

I assume you would actually -as a socialist - like private schools closed immediately?

 

[Grendel]

Making courses such a as that exempt from tuition fees would be a great idea.

Yes and it’s hardly socialist.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Making courses such a as that exempt from tuition fees would be a great idea.

Fully agree.

 

[Grendel]

Well it's not opinion, it's factual.

I'm not doing another Brexit argument, it's been done to death. It was a ridiculous act of self harm just because Nigel told you to.