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Ccfcisparks
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MalcSB
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That’s fantastic.
MalcSB
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Shouldn’t what? Fund Russias war in Ukraine by buying Russian oil?
Again, this has nothing to do with how much oil we do or don't buy from Russia.
shmmeee
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The only argument I can see is you’re harming the economy and the only benefit is the climate. Well, yeah. The climate was a tent pole part of Labours pitch and they got elected on a landslide.
But the idea that not letting private companies drill oil in the UK to sell on the global market will harm the UK outside of tax revenues I just don’t see.
But the idea that not letting private companies drill oil in the UK to sell on the global market will harm the UK outside of tax revenues I just don’t see.
It's the wrong thread isn't it, I'll take it over there I think?
MalcSB
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Bloody union leaders
Sharon Graham, Unite General Secretary, said: “It is quite frankly irresponsible for Labour to keep ploughing ahead with the guillotine ban of new oil and gas licences when there is no clear plan for jobs.
“We simply cannot let go of one rope before we have hold of another. Until we have clear plans and more importantly investment, we should not be turning off the taps.
“In a less stable world we cannot rely on imports nor offshore our carbon responsibilities.”
Haven't said otherwise, you seem to be making a different argument now.
shmmeee
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Again, yes, reducing fossil fuels will mean fewer people employed in fossil fuels. This is not news.
Grendel
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We will still be buying fossil fuels. Ironically you seem now to be deploying Thatcherite arguments regarding coal mines
MalcSB
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Does not awarding licences reduce the use of fossil fuels of itself?
Personally I don’t think so.
There should have been some framework published to apply to future applications, not a blanket cessation of previous and nearly completed ones.
TBH you could hardly blame some companies / industries if they basically said fuck the UK, we will invest elsewhere.
shmmeee
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Im sure some oil companies will do that.
Someone has to leave oil in the ground, why not us?
MalcSB
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It will be good to be an example to the world. They will all follow our lead. Or make a fortune selling energy to the UK.
shmmeee
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We buy on the international market. We got no discount for UK produced oil. I get you’re a climate skeptic, I think you’re just going to have to accept the government isn’t any more
MalcSB
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I know it’s a global market, I know it’s companies that sell it. I know that the UK does not get a discount from UK produced oil. IIRC UK oil is of a type that needs mixing with another type to produce a refined product for use.You really need to read up on how oil is purchased and sold
I know that governments / states get a revenue stream from the sale of oil from its territory - whether that is in the form of licence fees, royalties or taxes or a combination of any and all of those.
shmmeee
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That’s the trade off: cash for climate. It’ll make the overall mission of growth harder, but, like from what I see of polling most Labour voters, that’s a trade off I’m more than willing to make.
Nuskyblue
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Yeah, but i think there would have been uproar if the party with the highest number of seats was not involved in govt. We'd have probably ended up having another election 6 months later.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I want voting change but I didn't like that method. It just seemed messy and wouldn't please anyone or be truly representative.
Ironic that they only offered one choice, which was to give people multiple choices. Why not put a load of voting options on the form and get people to rank them in order of desirability?
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Interesting tweet from him...
tbf could be sour grapes, not like how the party's controlled should be a shock...
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I do get a bit annoyed at the amount of blame the Lib Dems get for the coalition when they were the 'junior' partners. They were clearly not going to get huge amounts of their policies through.One Lib Dem proudly boasted about getting the Tories to agree to their plastic bag charging policy by voting with them on austerity and cuts to welfare
However what they got massively wrong (and where I think the Tories played them) was what they were willing to give up and what they managed to get through. Most of the stuff they were allowed was just watered down Tory stuff like austerity so no-one noticed/knew if they'd actually made a difference. Then stuff like get charges for plastic bags in exchange for large welfare cuts - doesn't exactly seem a fair trade off does it? And lastly when your core vote is students and one of your biggest, if not the biggest, policy you get traction on is tuition fees, you make that an absolute must have in your negotiations or you walk away. It seemed pretty obvious to me that if you don't keep that then you're alienating mos of your voters and you're going to get a kicking next time. Which they did.
MalcSB
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Polling of a sample of 20% of the electorate. If the cash trade off comes out of their pocket, there will be a backlash Which could actually be ultimately damaging to the net zero cause. Europe is way off the required trajectory already.
Mind you, I’m looking forward to the huge savings on my energy bill.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Would be huge if this happened.
Starmers magic lamp getting no time off. England tournament win and peace in the Middle East on the horizon
Think we already know quite enough about you rubbing Starmer’s magic lamp
MalcSB
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Labour councillors not quite on message here
www.coventrytelegraph.net
Joy as giant 700 Nuneaton homes plan appeal refused
Gladmans wanted to build the development on land off Weddington Road
MalcSB
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Would be huge if this happened.
Starmers magic lamp getting no time off. England tournament win and peace in the Middle East on the horizon
Is that an oil lamp?
shmmeee
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*hastily deletes 14GB of fanfic from Notes*
chiefdave
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This was bought up on Question Time last night and wasn't really answered. The point was made that its all well and good the government saying crack on and get building but you need to stop local MPs and councillors campaigning against developments because they're worried about votes locally.Labour councillors not quite on message here
Joy as giant 700 Nuneaton homes plan appeal refused
Gladmans wanted to build the development on land off Weddington Road
tbf the Labour MP that was on said that he'd essentially done a hand holding exercise in his constituency and got people on board with the idea but that seems like it will use up a lot of time that's probably better spent elsewhere.
MalcSB
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But but but. Labour was a gain from the Conservatives and , as @shmmeee would say, it was in Labour’s manifesto so additional housing should hardly be a surprise,
”Labour will get Britain building again, creating jobs across England, with 1.5 million new homes over the next parliament.”