You seem to to think posters with different views to yourself and Torch should be banned. Otis is sensible in that he's putting his views out there and listening to others. Show me any out and out racism on here where individuals have have used offensive language. If you have a view on anti immigration you're a racist it seems.
It's rather unsettling, because I can imagine that if this person IS named, their photo shown and their birth certificate, displayed, the likes of stylus would just say it's all been faked and the bloke is still definitely in his 30's.
I think it's just the way some put it across isn't it. It's the insinuation rather than out and out racism.
I'm sure we'll know for certain his age when he appears in court and I'm sure they'll name him too as hiding his name is probably not helping the situation
Yeah, true. Conspiracy theories have indeed always been there. We didn't used to have the network of information we have now though.
I agree. I think it's not helping in not naming him
No, I think people who spout racism, faleshoods and conspiracy shyte without apology should be banned.
Targeting certain demographics is not acceptable as far as I am concerned. Obviously it is up to Nick whether he wants to have a forum that is just for certain types of people.
Shall we just have you and your friends views then shall we
Why is it worse to attack an individual than a minority group? Should this forum become Skybluestalk for non Muslims?
If people are spouting racism I've got no problem with, calling out derogatory names then yes. The Internet is full of conspiracy and falsehoods, shall we ban the internet? Do you think some people are stupid enough to believe everything they hear and read. Some are some are not
That's almost racist in itself, trying to incite shit, how do know if any Muslims are on here anyway and why would it matter
Nah. I find Nick's views unpalatable at times, but it would be insulting to put him in the same box as GIMOC etc. Hate to say it, but Malc's a decent example of how to debate an opposite position politely isn't he? Even you are polite(ish!) to people who are polite to you(!) and you certainly have some radical views about the death penalty that I fuindamentally disagree with, but would never consider that worthy of censure.
Yes, the story today of Lee Anderson stating there were illegal immigrants at his local Travelodge. Turned out they were NHS nurses. He's had to row back on that.
No, the law of this country states he should not be named until and unless a judge in the Crown Court lifts the reporting restrictions on identifying a minor. And as he has been charged, it is now in the judicial process. Anyone who names him will be in contempt of court. That includes on here, so be careful, people.
No. What is not acceptable as far as I am concerned is targeting people because if their race or religion with hateful speech.
I have no problem with different views. I have no problem with sensible discussions on immigration or whatever. However, there have been many posts in this thread from the likes of GIMOC, Sylus and yourself with your "dog in a stable" comment, which are racist and/or racist tropes. Whether you think they/it are will be up for debate for you and some others. Not for me.
But not Muslim ones?Coventry City supporters?
I know, my world is too simple
No. You only need to read many of the posts on here to see they are stepping way beyond "challenging" those beliefs.
We still don't even know what's motivated him regardless of age, sex, religious or political view do we!
tbf, Rob is one of the 'good righties'. And yes I've had my run-ins with him before, and no I'm not going to repeat some of his posts of the past and stir it up(!) but fundamentally seems to be a half-decent person, who is polar opposite to me politically.
In 99% of cases people wouldn't be frothing at the mouth to either name him or to find out where he was born. Where his parents are born, etc etc. Normally, I would say this should be kept out of the public domain, but right-wingers will turn this into a long summer of violence and disorder if he isn't named. Sad it has come to this.
100% agree, but that has to work both ways, often overlooked. And I dont mean on this board as this seems one way hatred and bile, but in more general terms. I think failing to recognise that by some, fuels the hatred and enables views to take some of the more moderate along with them.
Beat me to it.
I haven't seen that been suggested on here if I'm honest
I've already said I think Nick should get some more moderators. It also allows him to express his own views more easily, potentially, without being the one moderating himself(!)
Correct, which is why i haven't. But while it will be used as an excuse for horrific acts, it will be important for the motivating factors to be understood, in case there are lessons to be learnt.